Germany:
Price indication regulation (Preisangabenverordnung)
All prices stated on the menu must include any applicable surcharges. In other words, the price of the meal is also the final price. The quantity served must also be stated for drinks.
Restaurant Bill
Submitted 2 years ago by YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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Wirrvogel@feddit.de 2 years ago
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 years ago
The OP should have shared the restaurant, what a dick head of an owner
MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 2 years ago
$11 for a cannoli? Gotta lotta nerve with that price!
KneeTitts@lemmy.world 2 years ago
To be honest restaurants became so expensive so long ago that we just stopped going to them. I cant even remember when that was, but it was more than 5 years ago for sure. And things sound like theyve gotten a lot worse since then so I cant see us ever going back.
AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 2 years ago
If this was my post, I’d be circling the whole receipt.
orion2145@lemmy.world 2 years ago
In many jurisdictions it’s not legal to charge this fee unless it’s advertised when ordering such as on the menu or posted signage.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 2 years ago
fuck tipping culture
makatwork@lemmy.world 2 years ago
When will people have had enough and demand change? I stopped going to restaurants entirely due to bs charges like this & tipping culture.
I would, however, happily eat at an establishment with higher prices if they paid thier employees well & had accurate menu pricing.
Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 2 years ago
About 95% of restaurants I’ve been to in Europe have lower prices than this receipt and don’t expect a tip.
WTF is going on over there?
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
WTF is going on over there?
Unrestrained capitalism
bi_tux@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Capitalists when 10% taxes vs capitalists when 18% fee
Emerald@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Image Transcription: Text and Image
A receipt from a restaurant. A white circle was marked up on the photo and inside reads the text
18% Service Charge (18.00%)
$17.22
The full receipt text shown is as follows.
Ordered: 11/11/23 6:31 PM
GARLIC BREAD $4.90
2 KIDS SHELLS $32.50
FUSILLI $20.75
CANNOLI $11.00
LEMONADE $6.00
DRIP COFFEE $4.50
2 DRAFT BEER $12.00
CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE $4.00
18% Service Charge (18.00%)
$17.22
Subtotal $112.87
Tax $10.73
Total $123.60
Cash -$123.60
Amount Due $0.00
------------------------------------------
Suggested Tip:
8%: (Tip $7.65 Total $131.25)
10%: (Tip $9.56 Total $133.16)
12%: (Tip $11.48 Total $135.08)
15%: (Tip $14.35 Total $137.95)
Tip percentages are based on the check price before discounts and taxes.
The service charge is not a tip or gratuity, and is an added fee controlled by the restaurant that helps facilitate a higher living base wage for all of our employees. Please scan the QR code at the top of the receipt for additional information, or speak with a manager.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Really. What’s the new base wage? And if there’s better wage, the tip should be commensurately reduced.
WhipTheLlama@lemmy.world 2 years ago
[The service charge is] an added fee controlled by the restaurant that helps facilitate a higher living base wage
Great! I don’t need to tip because they already pay their employees a fair wage.
sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social 2 years ago
I’ve been to a couple places in Denver that do this and obviously it’s bullshit. Just raise the prices! Not 18%, though, they’re 5% and started when everyone felt bad for restaurant workers during Covid. At both of them they had a disclaimer “if you disagree with this charge, we will gladly remove it”… as if that’s a comfortable thing to do to save $4.
droans@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I get mandatory tips on large parties as long as the policy is made clear before ordering. But like you said, service charges are ridiculous and so are mandatory tips for small groups.
Audiotape@lemm.ee 2 years ago
I don’t see how paying your workers is infuriating
SpaceMan9000@lemmy.world 2 years ago
The bottom still suggest to tip… It’s not used to give their employees a better wage, it’s to show lower prices on the menus.
papertowels@lemmy.one 2 years ago
I actually interpreted that is tipping is now optional because the service charge goes to the staff
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
At the very least they’re calculating the tip from the pretax/pregratuity price. Most places seem to calculate the suggested tips from the after tax total. So they’re not complete scumbags. Only mostly scumbags.
ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 2 years ago
Tips exist because servers were/are paid below minimum wage. A service charge should replace the tip, not be added on top of it. Or the restaurant should factor labor costs into the price of their meals. The owners are double dipping to shift the cost onto the consumer.
brygphilomena@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Service charges are bullshit. Businesses need to advertise the full price of the food.
Imo, this is simply unacceptable.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
Or the restaurant should factor labor costs into the price of their meals
This is the answer.
war@kbin.social 2 years ago
Imagine looking at this thread and thinking that the complaint has to do with a worker getting paid.
macarthur_park@lemmy.world 2 years ago
If they need to raise prices by 18% to pay their workers, then they need to actually raise the prices on the menu. Right now this is just bait and switch, it’s dishonest and possibly illegal depending on the location.
ZooGuru@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I’ve seen this at restaurants serving more than a given number of people. Did you attend a dinner with a large group?
Stumblinbear@pawb.social 2 years ago
I’ve been seeing it more regardless of group size. I went to a resturaunt alone and they had the audacity to charge a service fee and ask for a fucking tip
I wouldve tipped more than the service charge! So I gave nothing instead
ZooGuru@lemmy.world 2 years ago
That is super frustrating. Especially if the “service charge” isn’t really going to pay the staff a living wage. I’d be curious to hear from someone that works in a restaurant that does this whether or not they are actually being paid better after it has been implemented or if it is just cash grab by the individual restaurant owner/operator. Any takers?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
What kind of time warp is this though where tipping recs start at 8%. I never see that anymore.
KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 2 years ago
That 8% would actually be 26% given there is an auto 18% added already.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Hard to say. A lot of places don’t pass these service charges to the servers. They don’t want you doing that kind of math.
digger@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
That assumes the 18% goes directly to your server.
HappyPornDaze@lemmynsfw.com 2 years ago
[deleted]mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 years ago
It actually makes me realize that I should ask for the service fee ahead of time to merge due I can afford to eat at such restaurant.
That’s what a service fee does. Hides the true prices.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
I 100% would after offering to pay the full bill as indicated in the menu. I bet 99% they would just accept it too.
Chocrates@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Stuff like this is on the menu and posted on the restaurant windows usually.
I agree tipping culture is insane and owners of restaurants use tips and fees to pass on labor costs to consumers, but this shouldn’t be a surprise to you.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Refuse to pay the service charge, offer the amount minus the charge.
This why even today, cash is king. With cash you can just leave the amount and they can take it or leave it.
tdawg@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Look, it’s me never returning
bi_tux@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Besides from a extra fee (which would be illegal in my country), who tf could afford 32$+18%+taxes for two bowls of pasta? At my local italian restaurant you get 2 bowls spagethi for 20€ (including taxes)
TheBERFA@lemmy.world 2 years ago
A kids size no less. Actually insane.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Hey, Restaurant Bill. What did you kill, Restaurant Bill?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 years ago
Because reprinting the menu is too expensive. 😢
III@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Printing a menu means they can’t constantly alter the price. Did I say alter? I should have said raise.
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Need a tip at the bottom - it’s a LOT of hard work to process those mandatory service charges!
Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I’m honestly surprised the percentage options they offer are so low. In NYC they start at 20%, and usually go 20% 25% 30%
Water1053@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I recently learned you can have this charge removed.
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Care to elaborate
Water1053@lemmy.world 2 years ago
According to Brian Kim from ClearValueTax, you can simply ask to have this removed from the bill: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeODA4NxiPI
Pirate_lemmy_arrrrR@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
I imagine if it’s not disclosed clearly before you order, you can dispute it with your bank/cc company. If it is, and you still decide to give that company business, then I guess that’s on you.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Are they charging tax on the service charge too?
Fogle@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
Yeah they sure are
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I think that’s the most surprising part. With how greedy they seem, I would have expected the tip recommendations to he based on the subtotal or total.
Smeagol666@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Do you know how much garlic bread I can make for $5. A bunch, and fucking good too!
ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 2 years ago
While I absolutely hate this. I will note the suggested tip is lower than what is usually asked for.
It would be better to have two tip lines on the receipt; one for front staff, one for back staff.
athos77@kbin.social 2 years ago
The suggested tip may be less than what's normally suggested, but even the 'minimum' 8% tip means it adds up to a total of 26%, which is way more than my own usual 20%.
ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Yes. I realize that. I was just trying to add something more than ‘this sucks’.
SoccerGod@fanaticus.social 2 years ago
Shit on their bathroom bro
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Anyone who wants to rant about how Lemmy is all tankies and fringe leftists oughta come see what happens when underpaid workers have the gall to so much as stink eye a customer who doesn’t tip.
In below cost of living income jobs tipping isn’t a reward for good service, it’s the “not a callous fuckface” tax for people who actually care about making sure their fellow workers don’t fucking starve over their bosses’ greed.
Got a problem with it, call a congressman, otherwise, stop using service work if you’re not willing to pay the actual full price for the service.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 years ago
Its probably some socialist country. Anyway I’m not entirely against it but it seems pretty high
buddhabound@lemmy.world 2 years ago
What socialist country has restaurants that give an itemized bill in English with USD for the currency?
TheOakTree@lemm.ee 2 years ago
You post Star Trek memes and you think Canada is socialist? AHAHAHAHAHA
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 years ago
The Ticketmaster economy