I love the audacity of food places still asking for a pickup order AND when I’m ordering online. Like wtf. This stupid tipping culture needs to die and people who work in the industry just need to be paid fairly. This is insane.
"If you can't afford to tip 40%, then don't eat out"
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thatradomguy@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
The last time I ate at Steak n Shake, you order from a kiosk, fill your drink at the soda fountain, pick up your own food from a window, and bus your own table. Those fucks had the audacity to suggest a 20% tip at the kiosk
LazyWatermelon3623@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I don’t think I tipped on online orders for the past two years or so. Get used to it. They’ll still deliver.
FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
There’s a huge difference between not tipping on a take out order and not tipping on a delivery. You’re a lazy piece of shit.
canniest_tod@lemmy.world 1 day ago
A lot of people in the comments are remarking on the tip culture in America. Friendly reminder that it’s not the culture that necessitates tipping here. We have a tipping economy when it comes to a lot of service work. $2.13 is the minimum wage for servers in the states. This is less than what could rightfully be called a starvation wage, so tipping is a social necessity. You might think that’s crazy and we should change it, and you would be correct.
AA5B@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
And yet this is BS when many servers are among the highest paid minimum wage people.
And they’ve had this ridiculous tipping wage for decades, and used to be ok with 15% tips
Now suddenly everyone wants a tip regardless whether they’re a server, some tips are stolen by management, we pay “service fees” for the servers, and suddenly we also need 20+% on hugely inflated food prices.
I’m sorry but servers seem like the only part of the economy doing well
canniest_tod@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Doing well? They’re getting by like the rest of us. Why would they do that job if they weren’t being paid for it?
pewpew@feddit.it 1 day ago
We don’t have the tip culture here lol
KombatWombat@lemmy.world 1 day ago
40% is an obvious strawman, but it’s a shitpost so that’s ok.
No one likes tipping culture. But regardless of what we want to happen, the reality is in the US there are jobs that depend significantly on tips for living wage. It is a well-understood social convention, and by making a purchase you are implicitly accepting the expectations associated with the customer. By taking the worker’s time and refusing to pay that part of their wage, you are underpaying them. Your protest against tips in no way inconveniences their shitty employer or otherwise incentivises them to do better. The only one worse off is the service worker you stiffed, and nothing improves.
If you do want to actually change things, you can become politically involved to try to improve their wage so they aren’t actually dependent on tips. Or you can boycott them by taking your business to places that don’t rely on tips. That way the shitty employer actually loses business to places with better practices. But don’t be a dick to an underpaid worker while pretending to have the moral high ground.
chunes@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Servers themselves are opposed to change because of how embarrassingly overpaid they are
jve@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Wonder how much of this is due to the high class restaurants where servers do make a great wage (low six figures depending on the restaurant) and the lesser paid servers thinking they’ll get those jobs, some day.
To think that most servers are “embarrassingly overpaid” is pure fantasy.
TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
This. We had it on the ballot in Massachusetts and it got voted down in big part because a lot of tipped staff thought they would make less money from tips and they get brought up to the regular minimum wage if they don’t make enough anyway.
That’s fine, we’re a democracy I guess. Meanwhile I basically stopped eating in and tipping and it’s saving me loadsa money. Win win.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
you are underpaying them
I’m not their employer, so I’m ok with that.
charokol@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is the real answer and the only way to actually end tipping culture in the US but people here don’t want to hear it. They’d rather just act superior and smug about how they stiff service workers
TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
No, I’m not the fucking business owner. I’m not stiffing their employees, they are. Take it up with them.
Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’d still probably try and tip the people being paid more, since I’m from the Midwest US we’re trained from an early age to calculate tip percentages and still make sure to give extra. We just can’t compute “No sir/ma’am, we don’t accept tips.” without a bit of persistence, and if there’s internal systems like ratings and reviews we will opt to give them better reputation whenever available too.
rbos@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I tip 0% at places where I go to the counter, order, wait, pay, and retrieve my food. That is a base level expectation, not a service or a favour.
It helps that we don’t have a ‘tipping wage’ anymore.
OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 day ago
10% is standard. Always has been and always will be (at least for me). Can go higher, but only if service is exemplary. “Just doing their job” level service gets 10%.
And don’t give me shit about inflation and the cost of living. The meal is twice as expensive now, which means a 10% tip is already twice as big as it used to be.
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 day ago
Guess what, my standard is 0% because luckily I don’t live in a country where people are underpaid
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you need a 40% tip to earn a decent wage, go get a better job.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Did someone say this, or did you imagine it? 20% is standard for good service, but anything less than 15% is message that there was something wrong with the service. If you cannot afford to pay for good service, you should not seek good service.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fuck off lol. Don’t take a job where your wages are entirely dependent on the mood of the next person to walk through the door. “Good service,” you’re being asked to bring a glass of water, plate of food, and then a piece of paper, within 60 minutes. And 15% was the default up until like 5 years ago.
T. Former server, embarrassingly overpaid, no shame at all for people who see the rip-off in 2026
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
but I didn’t seek good service. I sought a basic level of service expected of someone doing their job.
I don’t need service good enough to justify a $20 tip when I go out for wings and two beers and take up literally five minutes of the server’s time
fuck tipping culture, pay your employees. wait staff aren’t special. you better be tipping retail associates at least 10% of your purchases, too
skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Pretty sure in all of Canada, or at least Ontario, everyone makes at least minimum wage. You go to Wendy’s or Boston Pizza, no one makes less than minimum. Why is it that I’m expected to tip at some but not others? Is a chip truck (where a tip is asked for) really different than McD?
My understanding is in the US, some people make $2 an hour and tips are expected. Then there’s places like Ontario where a tip is also expected. Genuinely, why?
All this “pay your workers” nonsense should be true for fast food, grocery store workers, and everyone else who makes minimum yet they’re not standing there with a tablet that “asks a few questions” every time you ask where the milk is.
scytale@piefed.zip 1 day ago
If you cannot afford to pay for good service, you should not seek good service.
The why still tip if there was something wrong with the service? If you have to add 20% to your bill for good service, it should go both ways. You are conveniently shifting blame from the true source of the problem: businesses not psying their employees enough to make a living.
dan@upvote.au 1 day ago
businesses not paying their employees enough to make a living.
The thing I don’t understand is that even in states that have better minimum wages, the same tips are still expected.
California has the same minimum wage for both tipped and non-tipped jobs, yet one person working a minimum wage job can be paid significantly more than someone also working a minimum wage job, just because they work in a position that’s customarily tipped.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 day ago
15% used to be standard. And it was only resteraunts, and local delivery services.
Now, I’m at a ballpark, buying BOTTLED BEER. All this bitch is doing is opening a cooler, and grabbing a bottle. And the kiosk card payment DEFAULTS to a 25% tip
Fuck off with that!
dan@upvote.au 1 day ago
Only 5.5% of internet users are American. Don’t assume everyone follows US customs. Some countries actually pay waitstaff well.
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
In The Netherlands, service is included in the price. tipping is voluntary and not expected. If service was great, a 5-10% is generally the way. However, we have US-based chains like Starbucks that do or try aggressive ahead-of-service tipping on the price. It is very much frowned upon (especially because they already are expensive).
krashmo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Canadians expect 20% tips. I’m sure others do as well.
pewpew@feddit.it 1 day ago
The tip should ideally be 0%, it’s not up to us to overpay to make up for the low wage
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is why I don’t go places I need to tip. The service is NEVER exceptional or even adequate.
Also I believe a business should not make its patrons pay a tip.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 1 day ago
20% used to be for exceptional service. Things going up for no reason is completely plausible.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 1 day ago
0% means something was wrong where I live (rude service or completely bad service does not make me want to pay an extra amount in gratuity), 10% has been standard as long as I can remember though (it was even part of the “real American heroes” bit from decades ago).
Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I don’t get why it’s supposed to be percentage-based. I tip a fixed amount, regardless of how much i spent
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
yeah I still tip (in Ontario, where servers make at least the same minimum as everybody else) but it’s just a rounded up value to even out my bill, and it’s a reasonable amount (a few bucks at most). as always, if whoever is providing a service for me did a truly above and beyond job, I will tip that. but I am rarely in that scenario when eating out, or anywhere else.
there’s just no reason that wait staff should be making an extra $30+ an hour when retail staff etc don’t make any tips. pay them all more. that’s my contribution.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Ok
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Man, resraurants are just… largely not going to be a thing in a year or two, at this rate.
jve@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
if you’re microwaving premade stuff
Yeesh what restaurants are you going to?
This really takes away from the rest of your point. The only restaurants I know that do this are of the chain variety.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 hours ago
A very large number of franchise/chain restaurants are literally just microwaving or reheating pre made ingredients or in some cases entire dishes.
…perfectunion.us/…/the-hidden-reason-why-restaura…
What restaurants do I go to?
Oh I’m fucking poor, so none, beyond maybe once a month, a local, non chain, american style diner or mexican place.
But what most people go to, most often, in the US, is some kind of chain restaurant/fast food place.
Lemming6969@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I pay $30/hr tips, but only count the time they are with me and not helping others. Which is about 5 minutes or less…
Dryad@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you can’t afford to pay your employees a living wage, do better.
krisevol@lemmus.org 1 day ago
It’s kinda the opposite. Customers prefer places that pay very little. They did studies with consumers and told them one menu pays a living wage, but when they say the slight increase in prices they choose the other option.
It’s not the employer, it’s largely the customers that continue this trend
pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yeah, this is unfortunately why tipping culture can’t be phased out by individual restaurateurs trying to create change. Consumers would rather pay $20 for a meal and tip $4 than pay $22 upfront and not tip. I imagine it’s the same psychological principle that makes people think paying $99.99 is significantly better than $100. The only solution is eliminating the tipped minimum wage all together so that everyone gets the same minimum wage (also, increase the minimum wage at least 200% while you’re at it).
That being said, it’s not just the customers. Whenever a state is about to eliminate the tipped wage, the National Restaurant Association (yes, another evil NRA) spends millions trying to kill it. It happened here in MA a few years ago; they convinced both servers and customers to vote down a referendum to eliminate the tipped minimum wage, even though both of those groups were just subsidizing the restaurant owners.
AA5B@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Of course given the choice, customers prefer to pay less for the same thing. That’s basic economics. It kind of needs to be all or nothing.
I voted to end tip wages, but of course I’ll go to the place that saves me money. This is why ending tip wages for all has to be the starting point
Dryad@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Got a link to these studies? Who is “they?”