Stop the passively waiting, OP
Waiting for Capitalism to collapse, so we can get this over with so we can reverse climate change and have nice memes, technology and the good end
Submitted 3 weeks ago by King@blackneon.net to [deleted]
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Bababasti@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
marcos@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Burning everything will surely help Climate Change!
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I mean, in this theoretical situation it would. Ignoring the fact that it’s metaphorical, it’s sort of like saying we shouldn’t build windmills or nuclear power plants because the construction produces co2
Bababasti@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I mean… in a sense it would, no? (Not that I would want that tho)
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
It has to get worse before it can get better.
the_q@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
There are so many people like you wanting the violence, but waiting for someone else to shoulder the risk. Performative rebellion.
Bababasti@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
That’s a lot of assuming you’re doing there.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Oooh using gasoline to fight climate change. Literally fighting fire with fire. I like it.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My sweet summer child… We missed our chance. The revolution isn’t coming. Or maybe it will happen and then we will die anyways. The climate is fucked. There is no unfucking it. We can fuck it a little less than we currently are every year, but that isn’t going to save us.
The effects of this will rival the Permian extinction in the near term and in the long term, barring a miraculous turnaround through geological processes after a few thousand years, it will certainly be worse.
For reference, the Permian extinction wiped out 90% of ALL LIFE. Like 75% of land based life and 95% of all sea life (of which there was considerably more) at the time died out. It was caused by a sudden and severe increase in atmospheric greenhouse gasses over the course of several thousand years. We are outpacing that by orders of magnitude. So we could quite conceivably reach the levels seen during that time and we could do it much faster, giving all life even less time to adapt to the worst catastrophy in the history of life.
We’re boned, my dude.
Eq0@literature.cafe 3 weeks ago
We haven’t crossed the point of no return. We are accelerating because we keep press on the acceleration. If we stopped (as we did temporarily during Covid), stuff would get back on track. We have to act now
Hegar@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
While i too yearn for the downfall of capitalism, pre-capitalist societies were still responsible for environmental distruction, slavery and genocide.
As long as individuals or a small elite have enough power to enforce their needs over the needs of everyone else, we'll always have capital-b Badnesses.
We have to usher in the collapse of perminant heirarchies, whatever form they take.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
We really need the death of money more than we need the death of capitalism. Because you’re right, even before rampant capitalism, we still weren’t really great to each other.
What’s amazing to me is I’m perfectly content to live and let live. My neighbors, friends, family, all of us…ain’t got no beef with anybody. Why does this fail so badly when scaled up?
Hegar@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
There's a lot of neuroscience showing that social power suppresses empathy in the brain. Status, privilege, wealth, etc. make almost everyone less able to consider the pain of others.
Most of us can be reasonable with people we know. But the socially powerful are making most of the important higher-scale decisions, and they are neurologically the least capable of making good decisions on behalf of others.
Or that's how i see the problem.
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Before there was money there was debt. Debt goes back thousands and thousands of years.
My neighbors, friends, family, all of us
That’s exactly why. You described a band, a tribe, a group. People not in that group are not in your band / tribe / group. So, you don’t really need to share your wealth with people from outside your group. Nobody can know and love 8 billion other people. Humans are still fundamentally apes, and that’s just not in our ape nature.
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
We have to usher in the collapse of [permanent hierarchies]
That would be nice, but is it realistic? It’s not just that humanity has always had hierarchies. It’s that it seems to be a feature of even the animal kingdom. It also seems like when people try to create a system without hierarchies, someone steps into the power vacuum. The end result is that things are even worse for the people at the bottom.
Maybe a better plan is to accept that human animals are going to end up having hierarchies, and instead of trying to completely eliminate them, instead aim to shrink them as much as possible while still maintaining a functional government that at least somewhat answers to the people at the bottom.
Hegar@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
I was careful to say perminant heirarchies for that reason. Bao Jingyan said that power originates in the contrast between the weak and the strong, and the cunning and the naive. I'm inclined to agree.
But we can have social institutions that break up and flush out these natural channels of inequality, rather than institutions that metastize them into heirarchies.
Aristotle discussed a then-current idea to redistribute all personal wealth above 5x the poorest citizen. We could tax all inheritance above say 500k at 100%. Eliminate all personal debt every 7 years.
There's a lot we can do to make heirarchies more temporary.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Remember everyone, if your utopia relies on the idea that everyone just peacefully gives up their power, it is doomed to fail.
IMHO: We all should strive to be the change we want to see in the world. But sometimes it’s even enough to just be the person that you wish to see in the world more often.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The chance I want to see in the world is “common sense” tho so not much I can getter better upon to help.
Like people are geniuenly trying to make fascism popular again so wtf am I supposed to self-improve at, punching?
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
IMO: punching would be useful in keeping fascists out of a community, if nothing else helps.
vga@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately it seems to me that the nazis are being way better at self-improving their punching. At least here in northern europe, they frequently hold training camps with pretty rough practices.
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
If capitalism collapses, we’re most likely going back to feudalism, not ten-forward to Star Trek.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 3 weeks ago
I wish to highlight that between the Bell Riots and the Phoenix, ST predicted that there would be both the Eugenics Wars and WW3, which leave the world so badly broken that the only "nations" that remain are the Western Alliance and the Eastern Coalition. Alameda, CA gets completely blown off the map; and it's not the only such place.
It's not a pretty picture, when you look at the history they gloss over.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
For a while. Maybe the rest of our lives. We’d come out of it eventually.
Maybe in 1000 years democracy will have a resurgence and we’ll have a global democratic government.
Until people get complacent and it stops working and the whole thing collapses in on itself resulting in a return to feudalism.
Doctorbllk@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
The industrial mechanisms that promote climate change would not die with capitalism.
witten@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What would die is the goal of limitless growth (and limitless externalities). And it would presumably put the decision making about the right tradeoff between “industrial mechanisms” and the climate back in the hands of the people… instead of leaving that choice to rich, self-interested billionaires.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We’re a lot more likely to Balkanize and divide
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think we might see some form of separation.
DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
But what about the meme economy?
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m willing to deflate the value of my meme collection in order to save the planet
DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
My Meme Collection?
No comrade, our meme collection will wave the planet!
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
That’s the only economy in which communism works
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Everyone can have memes, there is no scarcity of it. Happy cake day!
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Woody Allen, as flawed as he is, had a good quip about enjoying whatever brings you pleasure without feeling guilty.
The world isn’t going to get better. Evolution created a system where those bereft of morals make the rules. It’s literally in our nature to lie cheat and steal. Current humans are a statistical anomaly, aside from the tastier class.
plyth@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Why should Capitalism collapse? The rich already own almost everything. Some will go broke but the system can continue forever. If nature collapses and food becomes scarce, it will just become more expensive.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Look at election results all over the world. Capitalism is already collapsing… into fascism.
If history is any indication, this means being not productive enough might not only get you fired, but also imprisoned or disappeared. Gotta kickstart a whole trillionaire class soon.Az_1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fascism is still capitalist and the two co exist. Capitalism to put it simply is an economic system and fascism is an ideology after all.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
you gotta make it happen.
altphoto@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Covid 2.0 could definitely do us all in.
altphoto@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Because lard ass orange pile of shit is not preparing the world for a new pandemic and instead is destroying green energy and allowing AI to waste and pollute the environment.
Az_1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i’d be glad if it did honestly
Aneb@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Capitalism will burn itself out but that literally comes with the burn out of humanity. The only way to reverse capitalism is to revolt and impose our own socialist agenda. I know its not what you want to hear but its the only solution to not ending our lives in horrible desperation. Our new policies for climate change will ensure mitigation of greenhouse gasses but the button has been pressed on our future and we will see climate disasters and a global warming that we will need to endure. Endurance and ensurance are the only outcomes possible with the impotence our society is achieving. We are so stuck in this capitalist hellscape and incapable of fighting the systems that rob resources and leeches on the world. We only have this planet and we are sucking it dry quite literally.
IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
lol.
Rhyfel@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why wait? Fucking help it collapse
random_character_a@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Before it goes it will be proceeded be decades of massive corruption, general enshittification of everything, corporate rule and oppression.
When you are running away from corporate sentry drones, because you were outsite after curfew in hunger games type society, it’s better time to start waiting.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
We’ve already had decades of massive corruption and general enshittification. Nothing stopping us from making things better.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So more of the same then
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You speak as if you are dissatisfied eith having a system that fuckimg implodes by concepts of “automation” and “technology” in the “automation and technology” era.
fakir@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I’m a time traveler, I came back from the future just to tell you guys that we will naturally evolve from capitalism to democratic socialism, aka market socialism. It’s still capitalism, but better. You still have free markets, but cooperatives will beat corporations on account of simply being more competitive - you see, in a level playing field, cooperatives don’t need to squeeze their customers, employees, & vendors to maintain a profit margin for their investors, unlike every investor led corporation in the world. You can even ask the incoming mayor of New York about it. Wait a minute, is he a time traveler too?
AreaKode@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Waiting is usually not the best option. like, you can wait until the trash goes away on it’s own, but it might take longer than you expect, with consequences you might not.
Just saying…
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Let climate change solve itself, woah
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Seems robo-factories in China are going to take over the world. Hope they have some mercy, because no one can compete with China now.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
I also wish all my problems would go away magically
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Maybe it’ll be the same day my Mrs. Right appears. It’s been so long, the universe must really have a romantic surprise up its sleeve for me! Squee!