Can you call them if your shop is broken into?
It protects you from the collector.
Do gangs that collect protection money actually do any protecting?
Submitted 1 day ago by HandwovenConsensus@pawb.social to [deleted]
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zero@fek.xyz 2 hours ago
yesman@lemmy.world 1 day ago
moseschrute@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
You forgot to put blood in your door
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 16 hours ago
As second hand story from someone who lived in a Mafia controlled part of New York City, the neighborhood that he lived in was a poor working class neighborhood. Yet, each storefront had full glass pane windows while the other neighborhoods nearby had bars on their windows.
The Mafia have an interest in protecting those “under their protection”. This would also spoil over into charity. The Mafia would generally be charitable to those within their neighborhoods to buy off complicity of the locals. For instance, you may not turn someone in if that person is running a soup kitchen in the community.
WiredBrain@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
The protection is understood to basically be by them from them, in the event you don’t pay. If you pay, things are good. If you don’t, they’ll make sure things are not good.
TheFogan@programming.dev 1 day ago
Though to my understanding, it is from them… to my knowledge if a shop gets broken into, in their territory you don’t call them, they already are aware and hunting down the perpetrators. Kind of what gang wars are… one gang basically declares an area their territory, if another gang takes action in that area they are basically declaring a gang war.
Obviously gangs know it’s bad for business if they want to collect protection money, and they aren’t overwhelmingly the biggest thing to be afraid of.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
They protect you from them.
AKA they don’t destroy your business or rape you or beat the shit out of you.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
That’s not all of it. But a government is just a gang as well. If you don’t pay taxes, you’ll be met by goons. Sure it’s more “civilized” but that’s only a mask to ensure people aren’t trying to overthrow them all the time. A Mon boss a monarchy are functionally the same are they not?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 hours ago
Unless
Acamon@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Depending on the political climate, non state organisations can help resolve community issues and provide protection, while the official government views them as gangs / terrorists. For example, in Northern Ireland.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Yeah, that is a highly romanticized and naive way of describing extortion
Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There are two types of this, those that pay voluntarily and those who are extorted. If you pay protection money to a gang voluntarily, it is like insurance. If your business has a problem, the gang will deal with it. If you are the extorted type, then you may be on your own and you still owe money. They may act on your behalf because of the disrespect of hitting a business they deal with.
Some businesses don’t so much pay protection money as they act as a money laundering node for the gangsters, so if your shop gets hit then their money gets hit and that is personal. These types are usually more affiliated or may be forced to launder.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Do you have any examples where it’s been voluntary?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah.
If you pay protection, it’s because the payment is less than random thefts would be.
The gang you pay, is supposed to be scary enough that random crime doesn’t happen in “their” areas.
So you getting robbed, is an insult to their reputation. And to regain that rep, they find the idiots who robbed a store under their protection.
Now, whether or not you see any of that money back isn’t really for sure. Because what matter is the reputation among the criminal underground.
But the whole process is outdated, I’d be surprised if it’s still happening large scale. Most likely only for businesses who are already breaking the law, this couldn’t contact cops anyways.
Like a methlab.
You can’t call the cops even if you know who robbed the methlab. So if you don’t have muscle. You pay for protection
SGforce@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s rampant in my city. They shoot out the windows of your business at night. Only certain businesses get targeted and the media hardly reports any of it. But, here’s an example of one that made the news 2nd arrest made in alleged shootings at GTA movie theatres
There was a similar shooting at a business a few addresses down from my work last week.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
An Ontario film distributor has alleged that the shootings are linked to an intimidation campaign by other film distributors to prevent popular South Indian movies from appearing in large chains.
Guy who distributes Indian movies claims attacks on random movie theaters are to prevent his movies from being watched…
I didn’t search very hard, but I can’t find a single other source for that being a thing.
Even if it was, that’s basically the opposite of a protection racket. You get that right?
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Kind of, but really you’re just paying for protection from what they would do to you if you didn’t.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
In general they are the ones breaking your windows if you don’t pay. Paying for protection is more like paying for them not to fuck you up. If other person does something to you it’s not their problem.
At least that’s how it works here.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Maybe if they don’t get a cut. But everything I know about organized crime comes from the sopranos.
dontmindmehere@programming.dev 8 hours ago
My dad used to pay protection money for his corner shop up to like 2010 – every week a couple of scary guys would show up to collect, and you could always spot some familiar dudes hanging around every 2 blocks or so keeping an eye on things.
Absolutely they did protect his shop, at least the 1 or 2 times a year some uniformed guy would show up with a knife thinking he was about to get some easy money (cops were very slow to respond on our part of town).
Also I think this gang must have been pretty chill, never heard of them having been too harsh on people who didn’t pay for protection, nor having mugged or killed anyone, and they never even beat up the guys that tried to rob our store too badly. Pretty sure they never even dealt anything harder than weed or steroids but maybe they had something to do with contraband, idk.
By the end of the decade my dad would constantly be busy with a bunch of other stuff so I often tended to the shop, and obviously I kept paying them. Thankfully no one ever tried to rob the store while I was subbing for my dad but the vibe started to get a little weird for my taste.
The gang must had been growing a lot because I rarely recognized the guys who came to collect, and soon after, a couple of addicts started hanging around, then pass a couple months and way more often you’d hear about so and so having been mugged – no one would say it out loud but people suspected it had been guys from the gang.
Eventually the cops finally started cracking down on racketeering so we never again had anyone come collect protection money, but if you ask me, I would’ve stopped paying anyway because I just love spreading misinformation online, also my dad started to beat me up with jumper cables, so yeah.
quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You have potential to become Lemmy’s Shittymorph.