Porn is harder to access

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• skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In short: it’s a massive pain that comes with responsibilities other content doesn’t.

  Hosting porn is a responsibility nightmare. You need to have a system in place to verify that all people depicted in porn are consenting adults who agree to having content hosted with you. Pornhub killed most of its catalogue to implement such a system and competitors are getting sued for not doing the same.

  Then you need to make sure that the porn that gets uploaded isn’t child porn. There are APIs to check uploads against known, existing footage, but you still need to be ready to take action if content that law enforcement didn’t know about gets uploaded. One or those tasks is judging whether or not the people depicted in that type of porn are adults or not.

  Of course you’ll need to follow local laws. How many small Lemmy operators followed the law when some douche spammed child porn on the shitpost community? I doubt many of them read the law before purging the images! Some places demand you keep an isolated copy for law enforcement, but any sane person would want to purge such content from their servers as quickly as possible.

  Any hosting service needs to be protected against CSAM, but when you set up a site people come to jerk off to, the probability of this trash getting uploaded becomes a lot higher.

  Then you need to implement measures to prevent exposing minors to porn, because that’s a crime in many countries. That means registering age/date of birth and hoping nobody sues you because it’s easy to lie about it. Most websites use 18 as a cutoff for access to porn, but not every country considers 18 to be the age you can watch smut.

  Apps need to be sabotaged because major app stores don’t want you to see porn. Apple is more strict in this than Google, but you’ll still need to watch out. If you accidentally break your filters or a mistagged post appears during review, you’d better have a good explanation to the reviewers about why they should let you publish your app.

  Then there’s the business side of things. Puritans may get pissy, but that’s the least of your troubles. All major international credit card processing companies have either explicit or implicit terms that state you can’t do business with them if you host porn. This is because a) these companies are your typical puritan American big business and b) people who buy porn often get found out or regret their decision, which is followed by a fraudulent charge back, and that costs you and the processing company money. If you’re taking money from paying customers, you’d better read the fine print because you may just be cut off at any random moment in time.

  Onlyfans makes use of weird rules about art and other technicalities that expensive people came up with. Platforms like Patreon nearly got screwed over for allowing porn. It’s possible to make money with platforms allowing porn, but it’s certainly not cheap or easy.

  Lastly, there’s porn laws. Japan, land of the tentacles and schoolgirls, has strict laws forcing genitalia to be censored. In the UK, spanking and face sitting is considered illegal. In some countries porn is banned in its entirety, in others there are laws government drawn porn (hentai/rule34) and more specifically if drawings of children constitute child porn. In some American states you need to do special identification to make sure your visitors are adults. If you sell access, there are special tax rates for porn that differ per state/country.

  The solution to all of these problems for most sites is to either ban porn so they don’t need to take special care, or to have special cases for porn with dedicated rules. Usually the most liberal of American states is used as a reference point and from thst point onwards you cross your fingers and hope nobody sues you, and that your holidays abroad aren’t cut short by a border agent checking your history.

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  • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The UK law got overturned .

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Good to know, that law was asbsolutely ridiculous.

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    • charlytune@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ha, I sent a very long and furious email to my (Labour) MP when that law got introduced, basically saying excuse me I’m a woman that squirts, what are you as a fellow woman going to do about a law that says that’s a deviant and obscene act? And got completely ignored - usually I got a generic response from her on other issues, on that I just got tumbleweed.

      (And before I get any thirsty messages, I’m menopausal and that bitch has dried up. Nothing to see, move on.)

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  • Archpawn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you make money through ads, you either use one of the few companies that accept porn

    I don’t get this one. Why won’t people advertise on porn sites? A people who watch porn less likely to be customers? Or are they just as good, and there’s a huge market untapped outside of gambling and porn and everyone should advertise their services on porn sites? Or is it that the only companies that are good at figuring out what specific ads to show just refuse, and in an alternate reality where they didn’t you could just as easily advertise on NSFW websites?

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are a few reasons I can think of went I would avoid porn sites as an advertiser:

      1. Porn is icky and risky because of cultural norms. Brands also like to condition you to think of them in certain scenarios (that’s why they pay to bill to be in the background of sports events in the most replayed parts of the game) and “eagerly waiting to skip/scroll past an ad with cock in hand” isn’t what most brands want to be associated with.

      2. You can reach a much wider audience than just “mostly men for a few minutes” on other sites. Everyone can watch YouTube ads.

      3. Porn sites allow porn ads much more often than not, and that adds competition. How can coca cola possibly compete for attention when their competition can get away with a moving video of two women getting fucked by five men?

      4. Many porn companies are scummy. They survive by uploading unsuspecting people’s porn, even if it has long been taken down at the source. Copyright infringement is the norm on many porn sites. That’s a hard sell for even advertising agencies.

      Yes, plenty of women watch porn, but the majority of this stuff is still consumed by men in a very specific state of mind, for various reasons.

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• JTskulk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bro if you’re having a hard time finding porn on the Internet, the problem is you!

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• all-knight-party@kbin.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Advertisers don't like it, and won't advertise where there's porn. Advertisers pay for most of these websites' existence. They capitulate to the demands.

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  • Starb3an@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Every porn site I’ve ever been too is loaded with ads so they can’t be too bad. I will admit almost every ad is for other porn sites/scams

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    • lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Christ, man! LibreWolf/Fennec with uBlpck, please!

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  • sciawp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t forget about payment processors like visa that can enforce restrictions on NSFW content

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• sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  -> pornhub.com

  -> xvideos.com

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  • gullible@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    An adjacent question that you brought to mind, why are people so intent on using “apps” for everything. It feels as if browsers have been all but forgotten despite filling the same role, but often better.

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    • DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      On the one hand you’re right, but on the other I feel like a lot of stuff has become browser based (like text editors, code editors, even music editors and perhaps video editors someday), all thanks to Web Assembly and how complex a lot of web apps have become.

      It feels like people use everyday stuff through apps, and more complex stuff through browsers nowadays. Roles may slowly invert at some point if it keeps going this way.

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    • SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because a lot of websites still look and function really bad on mobile devices, and a lot of people nowadays only have mobile devices.

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    • ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because it’s usually a better experience.

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  • Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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• dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What kind of gourmet shit are you hunting for?

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  • thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Gourmet shit, obviously.

    Scat Apps hate this one simple trick!

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• iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You are doing internet wrongly.

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• ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Advertising is the big one. Many companies simply don’t want to advertise anywhere where porn is present even if it’s segregated.

  Payment processors is the next big one. Most processors won’t service porn sites which makes it hard to collect money for sites with porn. You get stuck with worse service and higher rates.

  Legal compliance is another big problem. Lots of countries have lots of different laws and operating a porn website can get you in trouble in places you weren’t aware of if you aren’t careful. You need to verify ages, and consent of both users and models. In some countries simply looking younger than 18/whatever age can be a problem.

  Overall if a site has mixed content, it can be much less hassle and much more income to drop the porn if there’s sufficient non-porn content.

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• foggy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Competition is so cutthroat. If you started a new porn service today there would CSAM on your servers tomorrow.

  Would it be actionable? Diubtful. Not to say it isn’t happening out there but these incidents are largely competition playing dirty.

  I base this on nothing. Welcome to the internet.

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  • Astroturfed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I claim you are completely wrong. You clearly have no idea what you are talking. Based on my feelings, so I’m right.

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    • foggy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I am actually the world leading exper in being wrong and nuh uh

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  • evilgiraffe666@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I guess you assume it would allow user submissions to reduce costs? If it was curated or first party content only I can’t see how that would happen. But I’m sure the profits are worth spreading and enabling csam.

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• cabron_offsets@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  … and here I am, actively blocking porn or porn-adjacent shit on Lemmy.

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  • Chriszz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Am I the only one who has seen absolutely no porn on lemmy ever? I haven’t had to block any but I would if I saw it. Where are you guys seeing this?

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    • frosty99c@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When you signed up, did you select “Show NSFW content?”

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    • DrQuint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I only ever see it on /c/all, and it’s relatively little and it’s all vanilla, single naked model shit. Basically as non-pornographic porn can get while still being porn (aka: OnlyFans ads and reposted Celeb shit).

      I was here slightly before the exodus, and the most hilarious post-exodus post I saw was people saying “our lemmy porn is normalizing, we’re finally becoming a place open for normies”, where the OP was saying that the Furries were going away. The thing is: Furries were NEVER a sizable, noticeable presence on Lemmy to begin with. This isn’t Blueskies, the community isn’t suspiciously a bunch fo bara fur enjoyers. And they said that around the time Burggit opened up, meaning degeneracy was going UP.

      So basically, People who complain about Porn on Lemmy just confuse me. Tech, Sports and Politics shit are actual garbage that ACTUALLY floods the entire dashboard.

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    • Armen12@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No

      Everyone complaining about porn on lemmy is lying, there’s literally nothing here. they’re just ultra-conservative right-wingers who hate sex

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  • eee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    that’s your choice, and that’s entirely fine. but it’s different when a platform deliberately makes it inaccessible.

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    • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why? It’s their platform.

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    • hypelightfly@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It's actually the exact same thing. It's their choice.

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  • metallic_substance@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like porn. I’m a fan. But I’m with you on that. If I want it, I know where to get it. It’s not really why I’m here.

    Also, it really ruins it for me that because it’s all user -contributed, it feels like being recommended porn by a creepy, off-puttingly thirsty highschooler. Given the demographics in places like this, that may actually be somewhat close to reality

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  • Zippy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can understand why a person has no interest in it and I personally don’t need to access it but I also don’t really care if it available. I do not become offended if it is available.

    In reality I am far more uncomfortable with violent content yet they seem to get far less attention then porn.

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    • rikudou@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean, I block it as well, not because I’m a prude, but because I want to read stuff etc. without looking at naked bodies. When I want to get funky, I switch to my other account which is only subscribed to porn.

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  • who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same, Its not that i don’t like porn but i got tired of blocking every instance of furry porn; like how many do you need?

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    • Fal@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s only one instance dedicated to furry porn

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  • cubedsteaks@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m constantly having to block porn shit on tumblr and all the stupid bots that come with it.

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• jhulten@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think a lot of folks are forgetting that Visa and MC are prudes and gatekeep money.

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• rbesfe@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Porn is easier to access than it’s ever been, unless you live in a country with heavy internet censorship

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• Granixo@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Please put the NSFW tag on the post.

  Then we can talk about the good stuff.

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  • qisope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    no, then it would be too easy for op to access

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• fiat_lux@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because people don't want to look at other people's unusual niche kinks and try to identify if it contains children or other non-consenting participants as a part of their employment. And then try to explain to the people about why the unusual niche is against the rules when they receive a complaint about its removal. Amongst so many other reasons.

  Programs and apps on the internet are not simple things and user-generated content can be a very malicious and dangerous thing to have a copy of. The legal risk alone is not worth it, let alone the effort required to enable a slightly easier masturbatory experience for total strangers.

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• sebinspace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Actually a skill issue.

  Seriously, don’t even leave this site, just go to the search bar and look up whatever you’re into, there’s probably a comm specifically for it. Even you sounding freaks.

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  • JokeDeity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Completely depends on the instance, many don’t allow NSFW.

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    • sebinspace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      M8 search results will show comms from other instances

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• FleetingTit@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It isn’t advertising friendly, that’s why. Also online children protection act or some such law.

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  • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ads for penis enlargement though

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    • CmdrShepard@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A month or two ago I was helping my sister-in-law’s late 60’s father fix his GMC Canyon, and he pulled up a repair video on youtube on his phone. We left it playing as we worked, and then it went to a several minute long ad for penis pills which was awkward as fuck since I wasn’t sure if it was based off his search history or just that he’s an old man and targeted advertising. He also recently got a new girlfriend which muddied the water as I was pondering those two possibilities.

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    • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Would you like a bigger penis? Where would you like it? I can suggest some places…”

      piped.video/yjdciA8LNQ4

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  • Archpawn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why isn’t it advertising friendly? Is there some reason getting someone to go to your website from a porn site or app is less helpful than getting them to go there from somewhere else?

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• cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve got a few theories:

  My guess is that certain companies are concerned about repercussions related to porn related content due to an impending buyout or IPO. Personally I don’t blame them.

  Fediverse has recently been attacked by CP spammers, and instances like the one I’m on has actually shut off image sharing all together.

  Moderation is a problem globally, even if this content slips through automated filtering there will always be exposure, and always people affected. And unfortunately the tolerance for CP or even copyrighted content is precisely zero due to public backlash and the news articles.

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  • space@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly. There are a lot of sketchy porn related businesses, and porn is ripe with abuse. Also, porn sites have a moderation problem. It is difficult to verify that the videos people upload don’t contain CP (it’s hard to tell someone’s age just by looking at them), rape, if the people actually consented to the video being uploaded etc. PH decided to just delete all non-verified uploaders, and it is understandable why.

    A lot of businesses just don’t want to be associated with that, or have to moderate that, or have any involvement. And this also affects their relationship with other businesses.

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    • cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A hundred percent.

      And enabling NSFW isn’t enough, many people would rather choose what type of NSFW to see.

      An yeah, the difference between simulated rpe and rpe doesn’t come across in videos I suspect.

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    • mint_tamas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are there even sites with user-uploaded content anymore? I feel like it’s only studio content (which is safer, but we miss out on real amateur videos)

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Even without CP, they flood everything, with no respect for topics or categories. Certainly there are times when I don’t want to see porn, but more importantly there are lots of times when I want to be able to find other things

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• fernandorincon@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My lemmy feed has so much porn that I had to turn on the filter

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  • TruTollTroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How do you do that? I thought I had one on, but I still see sooooo much porn that it makes scrolling uncomfortable in public. I have young kids, so I haveake sure they aren’t in the room if I am scrolling cause too often it’s a random obscene naked chick or dick that is really not all that tasteful of a ln image… I am not prude, but the porn on lemmy is so subpar lol 😅

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    • scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If content is still getting through even if you set the filter in your account settings correctly, you can also hide or blur nsfw content on the app you’re using. Most (if not all) 3rd apps out now have a nsfw filter.

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• TruTollTroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I see so much porn on this site lemmy alone… scroll by new and hot, and you find tons of it… it’s actually kind of annoying how often I see naked chicks and dicks and more on this site compared to others that do good at censoring it from the front pages…

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  • dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Huh, I never see porn, but then I sort by the 12 hour thing.

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    • TruTollTroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, if I sort by new, or hot, I will get plenty of boob/vag images… not that I’m hating, I believe women should be able to post this is they want, but I also am not a huge porn consumer as woman myself… it’s just not my bag. Lol so it can be a little surpriseing to see full bodies after reading musk foiled Ukrainian plans, the Wisconsin GOP trying to impeach an elected (D) supreme court judge, and then bam! Crotch shot lmao 🤣😂

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• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  How is it any harder?

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  • wokehobbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    giggity

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• bighatchester@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also to make it harder for minors to access it or accidentally come across it .

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  • Sabata11792@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, guess we got to close down Google.

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  • Notyou@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those restrictions should be on the device the minor is using and not the websites themselves.

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    • bighatchester@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That is also true

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• Ganbat@lemmy.fmhy.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think it’s bad parenting. The loud, obnoxious ones who can’t be bothered to keep an eye on little Schlemmy, so they sit him in front of the TV computer for hours. And when he inevitably comes across something he shouldn’t, is that their fault for not paying enough attention and making sure he uses appropriate sites? Of course not.

  Same shit different generation.

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• darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  i support the freedom to consume porn, but i still believe its bad. sorta like alcohol

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  • aracebo@unilem.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “consuming porn” sounds more perverse than it actually is somehow

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    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because it is. Porn does weird shit to your brain.

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    • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      eating Playboy and Penthouse magazines

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    • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      maybe bc it is?

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  • Armen12@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Having sex with people is bad” - totally not a conservative incel

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    • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      strawman argument. having sex with human which you love is obviously way different than watching porn. both can be done in excess, as with anything. the difference is that porn is manufactured to make money off you, to keep you addicted, like a social media. a meaningful relationship is mutually beneficial.

      people are entitled to have their own opinions on this, and by all means do what you want when its not affecting anyone else. but much like a drugs, people can become unhealthily addicted. a bit here and their isnt that bad im sure, but when your watching porn every few days, you should ask yourself what youre doing it for, and if youre still in control

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• wokehobbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Some of y’all need to learn to read. This discussion is about porn on apps specifically. Not complete access availability.

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  • MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As an older fellow who was probably looking at internet porn (image loaded line by line) before you were born. Y’all kids need to learn how to use the Web browser and how to type the URL to porn sites. Once you learn this you’ll have all the porn in the world avaliable for free in a few seconds when you want it. And also learn how to use incognito mode

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• Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because you’re a 13 year old perv and your parents have blocked porn for you.

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