Submitted 2 months ago by Yazer@lemmy.ca to [deleted]
I’m shocked that I haven’t seen one protest yet. Is the media suppressing them? If there aren’t any, why?
I’m pretty shocked by this as well.
I always thought that America was on the ready to stand up against fascism and tyranny.
I guess they aren’t.
The people who were super vocal about stockpiling guns to “stand up to tyranny” dont think this is tyranny. They are actively cheering for it.
They think tyranny is the government passing laws that amount to “don’t be a dick”. They hate that.
Because a lot of Americans think he is the warrior fighting the evil gub’ment
Getting sick of Europeans falling for the blatant suppression and propaganda that our corporate-elite overlords are spoon-feeding them and using that to act superior.
Why shouldn’t they be? Americans have long had a superiority complex, always confidently mocking the problems of others around the world as if they were immune to them. It may feel bad for you now but the schadenfreude the rest of the world feels is completely justified. Frankly, the way some of you are suddenly crying about the rest of the world being mean to you is only further contributing to this image of Americans thinking they are above everyone else.
That being said, if you have a hard time getting the word out on your protests, then the suppression is working.
Publicizing your actions is part of the protest.
You’re making the assumption that these protests don’t have designated people to cover and publicize their actions. We already know Meta and Twitter have been literally suppressing and shadow banning leftist associated tags and keywords on their platforms.
Especially since far-right groups have been falling for Musk’s same bullshit in Europe.
There’s been reports that Germany’s AFD party fell out of favor after their news got to see how Trump played out. I seriously hope that ends up being true in their next election.
There’s been a lot of protests. How massive is mass is up to you though.
Although, a lot of people really like the way things are going, and a lot of anger is just terminally online bozos who don’t even live in America.
there are pretty significant protests in recent months. Tesla, the federal government, unions etc. It’s just that nobody really care about them with all the funny shit happening in the federal government right now.
Realistically, they also won’t do much, so you’ll have better reach doing more traditional on the ground campaigning anyway.
Just went to one for vets against the VA cuts and haven’t heard shit about it since
vet’s have literally no administration pool to serve them right now im guessing, even if they did protest, it would probably just lead to the VA going 🤷 because they literally don’t have the people to do that work.
I think this is a factor of your media echo chamber. I’ve personally attended protests nearly every week since January. I’m going to one tomorrow. They are all over my news feeds.
Loads of people in this thread saying they’re happening but media not covering them…
I don’t think that’s really what is meant by “mass protests”. In the not so distant past I would have thought every american man woman and child would be weeping in the streets at the corruption and despotism.
There are protests, and maybe they’re not being covered, but it’s not the type of civil unrest I would have expected honestly.
Europe has roughly the same land mass as the United States and less than half the population. The population density and urbanization is even lower.
So for the USA it’s actually quite a bit to have protests of hundreds in smaller towns and state capitols.
Major cities can muster the large groups, but the consistent and widespread nature of the protests should not be discounted.
Incidentally I am also not seeing counter protests or demonstrations of support.
The media is definitely covering it. If your media sites don’t cover it, block that media site and follow one that does.
That’s… not really what I was getting at.
There are many, but nobody reports them.
I dunno about you bro but there’s a protest every other day in Denver. We’re getting there.
the media is definitely suppressing it….
Because the people protesting represent in the single digit percentages of the voter base of America. An extremely vocal minority, but still a minority of Americans.
Boy who cried wolf situation. Protesting every single thing endlessly for years on end has made the average person stop caring about whatever you’re protesting about. Not saying it’s right but that is how many people view continual protesting.
The far left protests lost most of their corporate backing this time around. As soon as the bean counters up top realized that pandering to the social stuff on the left wasn’t going to net them record profits they all dropped supporting the issues like a bad habit. They saw the popular vote change and they all dropped their masks immediately. Remember this in 10 years when the balance swings back again and you see target suddenly pretending to give a shit about gay right again or whatever it is at that time. They only ever cared about money.
Lack of unified direction of protests. There are tons of local and small group protests as many people have linked in the comments, but outside of these small tight-knit online communities planning these things the general public has absolutely no clue any of them are happening. There isn’t a single unifying “thing” to rally around like the BLM protests had with George Floyd. When the angry mob can’t direct their anger all in the same direction it loses power.
Since modern media runs on outrage (clicks) and they have seen that most people don’t care anymore they have moved onto other things in order to generate the clicks they want to make the money for the big guy.
I think you are missing the point. Media is controlling the narrative and purposely ignoring the protests. We have twice as many people protesting right now compared to the peak of the defund the police movement.
They could get a shit ton of clicks by covering protests. This isn’t about random event not being cohesive enough or algorithms ignoring events. It is purposeful manipulation by are newly minted ruling class under Donald Cuck.
To be the most effective we have to be protesting in front of houses of people who actually influence change. I’ve been too far too many protests and it feels like they mean nothing. Only way to make change is to stop taking it to the streets. And taking it to houses of billionaires and politicians who actually are in control of change.
We have an extremely effective propaganda system. There are protests. My partner shows me on Instagram videos. But most people are complacent or defeatist.
It’s going to take a unifying event that is unifyingly abhorrent.
Until that show drops, no movement will take enough momentum with it.
Wait until a Mayors daughter gets sent to gitmo for protesting at college. Wait until the social security checks bounce. Wait until the next viral George Floyd police killing.
The tension is simmering.
I think that the thing that made the protests for George Floyd and Covid policies so widespread was people were out of work. The capitalist system has done a very good job of binding us to our jobs. we need a change that will put large amounts of people on the streets with little to lose. An economic collapse might do it.
this is the classic Rosa Luxemburg vs Lenin dichotomy of revolutionary spontaneity vs vanguardism. do we organize, wait for the opportune moment, both?
I’ve been posting and reposting my little “Eggsecution” short story everywhere I see eggs come up in politics.
I’m hoping the egg economy goes tits up, we have the great American egg famine, and then once rid of the impending bird flu pandemic, egg economy goes the other way, and the masses just toss Donnie and Elmo into a concrete pit and pelt the. with eggs until they’re drowning in broke shells and egg yolk.
“Eggs. Eggs. Eggs.”
You also have to understand the sheer size of the USA. It’s not like everyone can go to DC that easily. The protests are taking place in all states.
to have the biggest effect though we really should be blockading DC. blockading the capital is the most effective form of demonstration as evidence by MLK’s March on Washington, EDSA, Euromaidan, basically any successful protests.
protesting at your own state capital is okay for state level changes (see the state-by-state results of BLM).
protesting at the financial center is pointless because the rich don’t actually do work (see Occupy).
if you want national change you demonstrate at the national capital for long enough to make the dictator flee the country (or whatever your goal is)
There are, The media is own’d by the rich and now so is the government.
Fortunately there’s tons of great independent media that is covering it. Why would you subscribe to corporate trash?
You won’t see much about protests until we’re closer to the next election.
What next election?
Okay, I’m going to acknowledge that there are protests, yes, but probably what OP is thinking of something more like the BLM protests during COVID where shit started to get real. There’s a few things going on here:
People don’t have the time off like they did during COVID. They also aren’t locked up and less able to ignore the news.
Resignation. I think this is the bigger of the three parts. I know for my part, I consider this a complete loss of the federal government. Even if we somehow avoid a dictatorship and get control of the government back, the damage that’s been done is so deep and complete that we’ll likely never fully recover from it, we’ll just have to move on with things as they are. My efforts are now focused on organizing balkanization. If Texas wants to be a fucking stupid theocracy with prosperity gospel televangelists and the antichrist at the top, who am I to get between them and a good time? Maybe without having to hear about what Daniel the terminally addicted Fox News viewer thinks about Critical Race Theory, we can get some shit done, fix healthcare, get some fucking trains and bike lanes put up.
Lack of organization. The federal government has spent the last 100 years stomping any serious leftist movements both here and abroad. There is almost no living memory of what a real leftist movement looks like, or how to get one going, so we’re all having to roll them from scratch, and there’s still a lot of the old high-roading instincts that were implanted in us over the decades. It’s just going to take time.
Can’t mass protest if you don’t have a way to get people in one location. United States car infra prevents that.
Source: seen mass protests, seen “US protests”. Night and day difference
Thr burning down of tesla cars and dealerships don’t happen during the protests so they have no boogeyman to give yet. Once the protests turn violent, which I have no doubt they will eventually if they keep getting ignored, thr media will be quick to pain all protestors as bad and ask “why didn’t they try peacefully protesting?”
There’s considerable more happening now than in 2017. They hust aren’t getting media attention because the media has been folded in.
where are you? are you in the US, outside the US, rural, urban? I’m in a relatively small urb and even i see protests, and have attended them. if you’re not seeing them reported, you need to change your information sources. if you’re not seeing them in person, well, that’s a question of whether you’re in a dense enough area for protests to make sense
Waiting for the big one. Everyone knows it’s coming. Just cant go off prematurely.
This is from someone that lived through WWII in Germany.
“Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone” is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”
And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all of the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jewish swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early morning meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.”
“They Thought They Were Free”, Milton Sanford Mayer
Who am I to argue with that. Take to the streets. I’m there.
one reason is literally fear, the side that they’re fighting against literally has all the guns and the psychopaths.
Because protests don’t do shit. There were mass protests over police brutality in 2020. Didn’t do shit.
This is not true, protests have a measurable impact and the defeatist nonsense of “there’s no point in trying” is exactly what enemies of democracy want.
Because protests don’t do shit.
Occupy Wall Street had an impact.
Because protests don’t do shit. There were mass protests over police brutality in 2020.
I get why you feel that way, but it’s just not true.
Sadly, this is the correct answer. Protests really only look effective on paper, (or social media) however, gathering in protest is only ever going to work if those they protesting against, actually care to listen with an open mind.
There is no way the current administration has any plans to listen to anyone that disagrees with their attempts to personally own America.
I think the nice thing about a protest is that it’s a show of power, strength, and unity. It sends a message to those on the outside that there is a number of people who believe in a common goal. And really, the message is one all Americans can pretty much agree on and that’s trickle down isn’t tricking and corporate profits are on the rise.
The longer the protests, the worse taxes become from tariffs, the more cuts they make to social services, the more people could snowball this into a movement.
The power of protests are People.
protests represent the threat of violence. the threat went away and the rulers stopped listening.
I visited family/friends in the US recently (ice lived in europe for mant years).
Everyone is super upset about the current state of things, angry at Trump etc.
However, they are also generally just convinced they need to wait out these four years and then everything can return to normal.
They had that protest in every state did they not? But when I couldn’t find much on it in the Canadian media, I went searching CNN and other American sites and found very little also, which was surprising to me. Here on lemmy, there were all sorts photos being posted from various cities, and it looked like a pretty big deal?
There have been multiple protests like that one. And many more at Tesla dealerships, national parks, etc as well.
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asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Millions protested against the invasion of Iraq, the USA invaded Iraq anyway. Mass protests are ignored by the oligarchs.
Now if the USians grew spines and organized a general strike, that might get the ruling class’s attention.
SendPrudes@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Can’t get a general strike to work when the majority of utility workers are magats.
The algos target the blue collar industry for this very reason.
Transportation, construction, farming, police force all fine if we try a general strike tomorrow. Most upper middle class also are magats. So bank services, accounting and financial CIO / CEO teams all also are not participating.