Intentionally loud exhausts are obnoxious and selfish. As much as I dislike it, however, I’d far rather deal with the noise than having yet more surveillance. We’re already the #3 most surveilled country in the world, only the USA and China is worse.
Most motorists want noise cameras installed to clamp down on loud cars
Submitted 1 year ago by Mex@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
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Blake@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Swarfega@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Harley Davidson bikes are just noise pollution. Unlike cars they are build like this out of the factory.
kenbw2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yea to me it’s not the volume of the engine/exhaust. It’s that it’s intentionally obnoxious
wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
No they aren’t. Harleys are quiet with the factory exhaust, it’s just that they are commonly modified with aftermarket (louder) exhausts.
LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We may be number 3 but we must be number 1 in terms of % of people monitored by some form of camera. The USA road network is nowhere near as heavily monitored as the UK.
Driving through France, Belgium and the Netherlands was very free compared to the UK.
burningmatches@feddit.uk 1 year ago
A taxi driver in Singapore once told me that they hold this title, ahead of the UK. He then pointed out the cameras on almost every lamp post.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Electrics cars will make it a non issue but then we will be stuck with the surveillance. Our country is scary. No one cares.
Having said that if you are intentionally being noisy for noisy sake there should be harder punishments. Even lose your license for a bit, it’s not a got given right to drive. You got to earn it.
activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Electrics cars will make it a non issue
I do not see EVs replacing scooters (which are driven by lower budget commuters). A single unmuffled scooter driving through #Paris at 3am can wake up 10,000 people according to Bruitparif. And don’t forget horns. Assholes will used their horns at 3am on my street. The only thing they give a fuck about is their own convenience.
The idea of harsh punishments works if a vehicle is continuously loud because it will eventually cross paths with a cop. So that position is fair enough. But what about horns? There’s never a cop around when horns are misused.
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It seems most of the UK has forgotten the 5th of November
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
yes, and here you have an opportunity for that overwatch to benefit your daily lives. Accepting it everywhere else but bitching about it here seems pretty self defeating.
Blake@feddit.uk 1 year ago
If it wasn’t obvious, I don’t accept it everywhere else, I think the state surveillance apparatus should be completely dismantled.
activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I’d far rather deal with the noise than having yet more surveillance.
My cognitive dissonance triggers on this point because one of the reasons I cycle is privacy. I am also firmly in the #fuckCars camp (noise, pollution, death, selfishness of people putting their convenience above lives of other people & animals). It’s hard to give a shit about car drivers having privacy. And also realize that car drivers inherently sign up to give up privacy in order to use a personal car anyway (registration, insurance, banking transactions tied to those activities and their fuel purchases, etc). The fuel purchases of car drivers feed the oil industry, which in the US feeds the war chests of republican candidates who disrespect both privacy and the environment.
Yet people making the wise pro-privacy considerate decision to cycle are still exposed to breath car fumes, noise, and life-threatening physics (e=mc²). Hard to have sympathy for car drivers.
PoopyInThePeePeeHole@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Noise cameras? They’re called MICROPHONES
Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
But they need a camera to grab the license plate of the offending vehicle…
sosodev@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not sure if this a joke. Noise cameras are a real thing. They use an array of microphones to show which parts of an image are emitting sound and at what level.
theplanlessman@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I read it as being a riff off of “speed” cameras, which are obviously cameras triggered by speed and not cameras that capture the concept of speed on film.
krippix@feddit.de 1 year ago
I suppose the cameras are supposed to be triggered by noise
duncan@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I live in a city center, and frequently have loud cars drive past. Some are substantially worse than others. The loudest of them are so loud that when they go past I can’t hear my TV for 30 seconds or so, and that’s with my windows all closed and listening via headphones.
Something really does need to be done to enforce the noise laws that are often being ignored.
Illecors@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
I’m on the fence. Daft custom exhaust on a 1.5 turbo 3cyl is stupid, but there’s no way I can agree to more surveillance.
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I guess it depends what your comfort surveillance is.
In this case, it would likely be “camera activated at 96dBA, numberplate in view was BO55 MAN, NIP being sent to keepers address”Illecors@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
It would be brilliant if it was this isolated. But it seems like every step in surveillance always leads to more surveillance. It’s always some innocent excuse, without ever drawing the full picture together with preexisting stuff.
There’s now a generarion that has grown up without ever having experienced not being watched.
Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I’m on the fence with your statement because it kinda describes WRC cars and they’re FUCKING AWESOME
Illecors@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
In general I wouldn’t mind people having the freedom to make their cars impossible to sit any reasonable amount of time inside, but I don’t currently have a suggestion on how to make certain peeps be not assholes in residential areas.
In regards to WRC - isn’t that world rally championship? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one happening anywhere near apartment buildings on single lane streets with cars parked on both sides and kids’ playground nearby.
jscummy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m an American who stumbled here by accident but do you guys have many cars/bikes that are noisy out of the factory? The guys running Civics with a pineapple shooter look like assholes but I kind of get it if you’ve got a big V8 that just sounds like that
Illecors@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
Nothing really sounds loud out of the factory. It’s always the peashooters with custom exhaust.
Hyggyldy@sffa.community 1 year ago
I never even considered that was an option. I figured loud jackasses was just something we’d have to live with.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Can we do this with mouths too?
mackwinston@feddit.uk 1 year ago
All motorists are loud. Cities aren’t loud, cars are loud. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8
Mex@feddit.uk 1 year ago
some are a shit-ton louder than others though
Oderus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
and the difference is personal opinion. We had anti-noise bylaw removed because of 2 factors, the limit was too high for most people (96DB) and because it’s really difficult and expensive to monitor. They need special noise detectors and they don’t have lots of them so they only used them in areas where most people complain and it resulted in zero change while increasing costs.
My motorcycle is loud. Louder than any stock car but it’s far from 96DB yet it’s also quieter than a lawn mower, or a weed whacker, or a plane so what do you about those noises?
Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sod off back to fuckcars, will you?
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’ll take the loud cars if we can get some real fucking regulations on headlight brightness so I don’t get blinded every time I drive at night.
theplanlessman@feddit.uk 1 year ago
There is already the regulation in the Highway Code:
114: “You MUST NOT use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users”
The “MUST NOT” indicates that this is a legal requirement and so it is a criminal offense to disobey it. Now if we could get the police to actually ENFORCE the legal requirements in the Highway Code, then maybe things might improve on the roads.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I mean if that’s the case then they have to enforce it on the companies as well because in 2023 it’s the default on many models on the road, not even with their brights or high beams on.
DJDarren@beehaw.org 1 year ago
I drive a Mini. The SUV infiltration in this country is making night driving a miserable experience for me.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I kind of miss the days when most people around here drove a small car, now everyone’s in a tank.
sammer510@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I’m not really in favor of surveillance but it should be legal and socially acceptable to throw rocks at cars that have been straight piped. Fuck em. If you make your car louder on purpose you should be punished
Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I’ve always called them “Fart Pipes”
alchemy88@lemmy.team 1 year ago
Its motorbikes round my way that are stupidly loud. Not even kidding you can hear some of them a mile away. I know this because I can see the road about a mile away and still hear them!
lootgoblin42@kbin.social 1 year ago
South Park made a whole episode about these people.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Same here. And in recent years the amount of drivers are pushing their luck more. Like driving clearly illegal bikes, driving on grass parks and footpaths and even through underpasses. I saw three teenagers break into a bike shed to stash their stolen scooter in. The Police didn’t seem to care much even though I called with a crime in progress. Nothing like this happened where I live a few years prior.
alchemy88@lemmy.team 1 year ago
Well theres no deterrent these days.
Another one is those electric scooters, they’re a real menace!
Treczoks@kbin.social 1 year ago
With motorbikes there is the additional problem that most of their owners actually rework them to be louder. I can regularly hear the motorbikes on the bypass, which is about the same distance, with a hill in between. You don't hear the busy car traffic, but you hear the motorbikes.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Do it! I hate loud cars. Noise pollution kills.
vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
“Most people want surveillance installed to clamp down on autonomy”
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
When your expression of freedom gets in the way of my health, my gut reaction is that I need you to stop.
vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
So, please record all sounds around me. For my own protection.
Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh no, you’re not allowed to be an obnoxious twat without consequences.
Poor boo boo.
vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
I wish they would install camera inside my hope as well. For added protection! I must feel safe, but I’m too scared!
DJDarren@beehaw.org 1 year ago
I’ve taken to muttering “There goes the Vroom Vroom Man in his vroom vroom” every time one of these pricks rumbles by. It solves nothing, but makes me laugh.
Leviathan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I want headlight cameras to clamp down on idiots blinding other drivers with their brighter-than-the-Sun headlights.
donut4ever@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The louder the engine, the smaller the dick. I wish the same would happen here in the US. Those fuckers have self-esteem issues.
xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I don’t really care what’s in their pants as long as fines are harsh. 20% net worth and also we take your bike away. That should do it.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
20% net worth for a non criminal offense 😂 Alright, I want cyclists to be fined 10% of their net worth when they ride straight through stop signs, 20% for red lights!
ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I 100% support your sentiment, but please consider reframing away from body-shaming in the future.
Twink@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Agreed. My tiny dick doesn’t stop me from not having a car.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 year ago
It's not even the engine. It's the exhaust. Nowadays they even use speakers that literally play fake engine sounds.
xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I don’t really care what’s in their pants as long as fines are harsh.
solivine@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Yes, this is something that’s unfortunately necessary
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 year ago
So, now I have to choose which I dislike more: government surveillance spooks or jerks with loud engines? Jeez, that’s a tough call.
giantofthenorth@lemm.ee 1 year ago
British people are insane. Why are you willingly asking for more government intervention in your daily lives for such a minor annoyance. Y’all do realize they will eventually be caught using this to spy on people.
RobotToaster@infosec.pub 1 year ago
More surveillance is always bad.
andthenthreemore@startrek.website 1 year ago
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to make it an MOT fail?
sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fuck this. Freedom has costs, a few seconds of noise ain’t a big deal
Pat@kbin.run 1 year ago
Please. I live on one of the busier streets in my town, right by an intersection. The amount of people driving by with cars that sound like someone's farting over a megaphone are insanely obnoxious. Fuck, most the time they're shit boxes that go slower than normal cars. People in my area buy cheap, shitty cars, pay to have a falsified safety, then make them loud and obnoxious while slowing down traffic because their cars can barely accelerate.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The camera records an image of the vehicle and its noise level, creating evidence that can be used by police to issue fines.
RAC head of policy Simon Williams said: "Our research with drivers shows there is a very strong desire to put an end to the scourge of excessively noisy vehicles that disturb the peace all around the country.
"It’s plain wrong that those who have fitted their cars with modified exhausts, some motorbike riders and supercar owners can currently just get away with making an unacceptable amount of noise.
“There is no good reason why cars and motorbikes should make so much noise, so the sooner effective camera enforcement can be put in place the better.”
Roads minister Richard Holden said: "Boy racers are an anti-social menace and we have extensively trialled noise camera technology in various parts of the country over the past year.
“We are currently analysing data from the trials and will update in due course on any future measures which will help bring peace and tranquillity back to our towns, cities and villages.”
I’m a bot and I’m open source!
meldroc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
On the bright side, at least you don’t have coal-rollers…
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Can’t they just deal with it at the MOT?
Plus I’m pretty sure it would be pointless recording the noisy bollock whizzing up and down my road on his motorbike, because apparently number plates are optional when there’s fuck all police about.
Puttaneska@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Am I right in thinking that these exhaust systems require drivers to inform their insurance company, because they change performance?
dBot@midwest.social 1 year ago
BrightCandle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think this will solve itself as the electrical vehicle transition happens. Cars will become substantially quieter by default and at that point it will easy to adjust MOTs for ICE vehicles to meet more stringent noise levels.
G4Z@feddit.uk 1 year ago
You know at my old house there was an ice cream van that made my life mildly more irritating as his chimes were on ear splittingly loud (guy must have drove with earplugs), and frankly I’d have loved it if somebody would have actually enforced the law (there is actually a law for ice cream van chimes) and an automated system like this would be one way!
Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 year ago
Loud motorcycles, modded trucks, and the occasional rice rocket.
obinice@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most motorists? Why is it only people who enjoy motoring that get a say in this? What about the rest of us?
I don’t drive and I want them to crack down on those loud as feck vehicles, especially the dirt bike races they have regularly.
Loud as feckin hell.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 year ago
Car brain headline / premise. Of course only the opinion of motorists is actually valid, you poor jaywalking peasant!
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I think the point is to show that even amongst their peers, people who love loud pipes are a minority that the majority would gladly see being stopped.
I agree now but I once was young and had a loud pipe on my truck and on my motorcycle (always with a catalytic converter though!), I think it’s just a natural phase in the car person’s evolution… Then you’ve got a bunch of Harley riders and Dodge Ram drivers that never grow past that phase…
HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 year ago
I think they were assuming that ~100% of non-motorists agreed