This has to be satire
…right?
Capitalism indoctrination in progress.
Submitted 1 year ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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011010101010010@lemmy.world 1 year ago
killernova@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Definitely not. I’ve seen these type of questions and answers on practically any job application in America. Thing is, this isn’t even the worst example of it, unfortunately. It’s fucking depressing and degrading.
RagingHungryPanda@lemmy.world 1 year ago
share this with workreform. they’ll love it. I would link but forgot how
TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 1 year ago
!workreform@lemmy.world
Nevoic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I actually convinced my boss to get us a ping pong table, all I had to do was forego my pay for a year!
Totally worth, since I’m not working for the money, I’m working for the culture (our culture is now a ping pong table). It’s so awesome that I can use it during my state-mandated breaks 🙂
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
state-mandated breaks 🙂
Looks like someone doesn’t do construction work in Texas.
InternetTubes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
An exit interview will reveal that they want a ping-pong table and that’s why they are leaving? I want to know where this course is from.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 year ago
It’s a really interesting question, which would I prefer? A ping pong table at work or more money which I could use to buy a ping pong table at home.
Or food, whatever.
OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Wild. They both “might” help. They both cost the company money. They should both be correct.
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wtf are you talking about? Employees work office jobs 9 to 5 because they love to work. Like all good employee’s. Heck, if they weren’t getting paid they’d still the work for free because they love it so much. It’s only out of the pure goodness of my heart that I decide to pay them minimum wage/s
pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 year ago
They work because they're family, right? Not for money.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The only thing that makes less sense than your comment is people upvoting it.
Morale and pay are both factors, your sarcastic comment makes it seem like you believe everyone only cares about pay and nothing else…
Some people make good money, so that’s not their primary motivation when picking a job.
Carighan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In fact all three are valid answers. Cruel manipulation as it is, additional even uncompesated responsibilities often do drive retention as people are invested too deep and too stressed out to consider switching or find time for the process.
TIEPilot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most people quit because of bad bosses. I know I have…
SeatBeeSate@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I can’t afford groceries for the 3rd time this month, but did you hear they’re putting a ping pong table in the lounge!?
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is the reason why but never the reason I give. If I make employers think at any time that I focus too much on the money, they will see me as a troublemaker. Instead, I come up with some bullshit excuse such as medical reasons and the smart employers will work it out on their own.
Cryst@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
? We are all in it for the money. How is that being a trouble maker? Money is a motivator and should be used to incentivize performance.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 year ago
It’s completely bizarre how we live in a capitalist society and yet we’re supposed to be motivated by work culture work.
It’s like they think that capitalism only applies to them.
utopianfiat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You think that way because they’ve taught you to think that way. Instead, you should be very plain about your pay expectations. If someone starts getting on your case for being “pay motivated” or some other horseshit HR wageyganda idea, here’s what you say.
“I hear what you’re saying, and certainly the main drivers in my career goals are broadening my skillset and achieving excellence. However, my life and family goals operate in a capitalist society reliant on me growing my compensation year over year. If this job is unprepared to meet my life goals, then let’s be explicit about that so I can reevaluate my plan for my household and decide whether this position is a fit.”
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think this way because it’s how many of my employers think. I would love to have a job where I could be this honest and it’s something I’m working on but most employers think this way and so too does my current employer. Even so, this is the highest paying job I’ve had so far. It’s easy for you to say that behind a keyboard not knowing my situation, it’s much harder for me to have a frank conversation with my manager in a deep red state. I’ve been fired before and rejected during the interview process for being too honest.
dotslashme@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I doubt most people leave because of a lack of ping-pong table.
Snapz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Chants for your next strike action:
- “Our CEO’S a DING DONG, WE JUST WANT THE PING PONG!!!”
- “Hey hey! ho ho! Give us balls and paddles or we’re going to go! Hey hey! Ho ho!”
- “The workers without ping pong, will never work the day long!”
- “The people with no paddles, will never be your chattel!”
- “backhands, forehands, we don’t need your labels, the only thing we need are fucking ping pong tables!”
EatMyDick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s 100% correct. Ping Pong table is dumb but it’s very often not about the money.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I actually dislike it when companies do this because it makes them feel like they’ve got this “oh look at us aren’t we cool and hip, we’re basically Google, stay after hours and don’t get paid” vibe.
andrr_464@lemmy.world 1 year ago
!usernamechecksout@lemmy.zip
EatMyDick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Gotem!
BlueDepth9279@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But can you use it? I’ve worked places with things like that, gaming rooms for breaks, etc. and it was mostly just for sore and never used.
EatMyDick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I used the keg+arcade in an old office frequently enough at a chill small company. It goes both ways IMO.
Imgonnatrythis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why are you harshing on ping pong tables bro?
EatMyDick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean nothing against them in general, but if they are in an office you need to ask is it really just a small perk or is it next to 50 bean bags for in office living.
HelloHotel@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Their evil, the ones corporations buy, are often bought cheap second hand. The longer it sits in the junk yard, the more chance a Mimic has found its new shell. /s
realcaseyrollins@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 1 year ago
As a capitalist I don't understand why it wouldn't be about the money
Steve@compuverse.uk 1 year ago
In my experience, they’re thinking 20-30 cents per hour. And yah, that’s never enough to change someone’s mind. 20-30% that could make a difference, but it’s way too much for them to ever concider.
Signtist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’ll consider it if they know someone else is willing to pay it. I got headhunted a couple years ago by a place willing to pay me 50% more than I made to work remotely doing generally the same thing I was already doing in-office. There were more responsibilities, though, so I wanted to stick with my current job if I could get them to match the offer. I took it to my boss, and he agreed to match the pay, and even talked the CEO into letting me work remotely when they otherwise have a pretty strong push toward in-office work.
Now I get paid more than my own supervisor while working a pretty cushy job in my pajamas.
lemmycolon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This totally doesn’t look like something fake with its lack of source or context that was just made to spark rage, not at all
bongus_urongus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If definitely seen shit like this on menial job applications in the past. Typically as pary of a “personality test” that tries to root out commies. USA obv
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh yeah, fun fact, in my former and current job every year we get invited to a town halls with some executive and every year we hear the complaints that we can’t keep employees.
Every year I ask the same question, “We keep hearing that we have a attrition problem so why do we keep chasing the industry standard for pay and benefits, why can’t we adjust our pay scale and promotion process to actual reward performance to actually keep our high performers?”
Every year, is a non-answer, nothing changes, we lose good people and only keep our industry standard people.
Though it was funny that since I’m on multiple projects/teams I did get the same speil multiple times from the same person and the third time in two years I got called I didn’t even have to ask before I got the boiler plate.
Imgonnatrythis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Damn. Now I want a ping pong table.
huge_clock@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hey, wanted to level-set with you real quick. Some people in the office have commented that they see you playing ping pong quite a bit. It’s not a good look.
Thanks for the chat.
gamer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I have one, but it’s just not the same having one at home as it is having one at work y’know?
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That’s funny. I want additional responsibilities
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
If they put a ping pong table anywhere within earshot of my desk I’m going apeshit
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Capitalism stops when it comes to salary. Then it’s all about culture and warm fuzzy feelings. Those are the only incentives an employee needs.
flip@lemmy.nbsp.one 1 year ago
How about giving them a raise in pay, and if they really want it, they can buy the ping-pong table out of their own pocket flips desk
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s stupid. Wouldn’t the starter thing to do be to buy the ping pong table and Dock everyone’s pay because of it? That ping pong table cost the company a fortune. And no, those bite marks on the leg of pool table aren’t from my dog/s
flip@lemmy.nbsp.one 1 year ago
I think I am bad at capitalism.
ZestycloseReception8@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I thought this was chatgpt for a second because I didn’t want to believe anyone but ai could be this tone deaf. then I remembered humans and got depressed
Delphia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Was “A ping pong table and enough free time in my schedule to actually use it for half an hour on a quiet day without the area manager coming in and demanding that we get back to work” too long?
Ill stay at an average paying job with a great culture, over a shitty culture and more money. But only to a point.
lapingvino@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think the issue most companies don’t realize is that we are forcing many people under a living wage, and at that point being paid better is the only thing that counts.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Was “A ping pong table and enough free time in my schedule to actually use it for half an hour on a quiet day without the area manager coming in and demanding that we get back to work” too long?
About 5 years ago our department manager bought us a barbecue for our warehouse.
It is still in it’s plastic wrapping. We have never had the time to get together as a group and use it.
Delphia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My experience there is that someone has to spearhead the initiative to use it. Show management that its a positive thing and if they dont jump on board, shove it back into the corner and say “we tried”.
We had one at a place I used to work at and we had a $5 friday lunch. We all worked a few extra minutes into lunchtime to cover the hour that one guy spent cooking. The only real “sacrifice” that had to be made was someone had to go grab the supplies on thrsday afternoon. In the end the bosses gave the “chef” paid time to shoot off, get the supplies and cook. They also agreed to cover the gas for the bbq.
Doesnt sound like much but $5 for a can of coke and a couple of cheesesteak sandwiches, some spicy sausage sandwiches, bacon and egg rolls… friday lunch was always a good time.
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think that’s a stance that make different amounts of sense at different compensation levels.
You make $50k and someone offers a $75k salary? Then you’ll likely risk the culture. If you make $150k and facing a $200k offer? The bird in the hand might be seen as good enough, though you may angle for a counter offer.
SCB@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Employee retention has been a huge part of my job for over a decade. In the professional world, employees rarely leave over money.
It’s generally about opportunities to do new things/grow in their career (which is distinctly different from compensation), a culture problem (which compensation will not fix), or an engagement problem (poor leadership)
Wrench@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And has someone who quit over poor compensation, those are exactly the bullshit reasons I told HR on my way out, as to not burn bridges.
When I was younger, at least. Old me doesn’t give a shit anymore.
SCB@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m sure your anecdotal experience clearly changes how the science of studying human behavior works.
That’s why COVID boosters were so pointless - your cousins brother’s friend got sick from the booster so obviously they’re full of metals that solidify in your circulatory system.
kevinbacon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are you upvoting yourself with bots or what’s going on here? You seem to be making very sure to drive the point that it definitely ISN’T money lol.
Rilichu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They sound like someone who’s completely disconnected from the financial realities of 95% of workers lmao
RivenRise@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The only way I can see what he mean making sense is that he’s talking about the people making more than low 6 figures. I can totally see someone making 300k a year not leaving because of money but because they wanna do something new.
SCB@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s almost never about money, once you hit salary-exempt professionals.
nahida@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve heard that people leaving Amazon do so because of the environment/culture there, even though Amazon pays very well.
dhork@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I never left a job just to make more money. But I have left managers who weren’t looking out for me, and happened to make more money in the process.
GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 1 year ago
It’d such a bad feedback loop. Employees don’t always feel safe being honest at exit interviews, so they say what they think HR wants to hear and HR just takes it as fact. Then they build training like this based off what Former employees felt safe telling HR and the cycle continues.
The ping ping table at least lasts longer than a pizza party, but it’s no more significant. When retiring, nobody wishes they ate more pizza or played more ping pong at work. They wish they had been able to grow and make more money so they’d be better taken care of.
squaresinger@feddit.de 1 year ago
Here’s a pingpong table. If you are fit enough to play after a 10h shift, knock yourself out. Except that the office closes when you finished your work so, no, it’s just decoration.
GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 1 year ago
If it was a Foosball table, it could at least be used as a makeshift coat rack
Badass_panda@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So… this is pretty stupid, a raise in pay certainly might help.
However, from the perspective of a career spent managing teams, often organizations with hundreds of employees, if you think your people are all solely motivated by compensation, you’re going to do a very poor job as a manager.
Everyone wants more money, but that’s not all they want – and there are plenty of people who quit high paying jobs that treated them poorly or gave them no opportunity to grow.
Think about appropriate compensation as necessary, but often not sufficient – and think about the best boss you ever had. They probably did more than just pay you fairly, that’s the bare minimum.
charles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What the list needs is “fire their toxic manager” or “ask them what they need to be happy and successful in their career”
Badass_panda@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Right… “perform an actual exit interview” would be good
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve seen reference to research showing pretty much what you’re saying: Inadequate pay gives dissatisfied employees, but raising pay above a certain level only gives very short term increase in employee satisfaction. The conclusion was that pay has to be high enough that people feel fairly compensated, but further increasing it has little to no long-term effect.
Badass_panda@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yep. It’s why companies can offer ridiculous salaries and still have crazy employee churn (see: amazon, tesla).
_ak@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Middle of the road: pay your employees in ping pong tables, increase monthly ping pong table quota.
markon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is why we need a huge general strike. It’s going to take this getting a lot worse before must people would consider joining though. It’s a trap and it’s tough to get out of. Capitalism is a train wreck.
traveler01@lemdro.id 1 year ago
If you want to complain to someone go to central banks and to the government and ask them to stop printing money out of thin air.
EddyBot@feddit.de 1 year ago
didn’t thought I would read neoliberal nonsense in the comments of an antiwork meme
starlinguk@kbin.social 1 year ago
Please stop posting the same thing in different communities. It was obnoxious on Reddit and it is obnoxious on here too.
kenopsik@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just because you follow overlapping communities doesn’t mean everybody else does. As long as the post follows the community policies, there’s no problem with posting the same content to multiple appropriately-themed communities.
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bruh. I only posted it one community which I was advised to do so by others. The others are other people sharing this in other communities. There’s nothing wrong with sharing posts, in fact it can help people find other communities they might like.
AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s especially morbid when the CAPITALISTS try to get you to “care about the Mission, not what you get paid.”
The irony being that the mission is always to make the capitalist owners money.
It’s like being scolded about the intrinsic value of human life… by Jeffrey Dahmer.
djmarcone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If a company is paying competitive wages then when an employee quits it isn’t because of pay.
If a company is paying low wages it will probably be because of the pay that a person quits, because there is nothing to keep them putting up with the bs that EVERY COMPANY HAS.
Scheme@lemmy.world 1 year ago
46 HR Employees downvoted this post.