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Venom vs Poison

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fossilesque@mander.xyz⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    In german there is only one work for it, which is a gift for german speakers.

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    • cheddar@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’d take poisonous/venomous over German grammar.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Literally Gift or giftig.

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    • Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Same in Spanish. Veneno for both posion/venom.

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    • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The fact that we’re having this discussion at all kind of proves that either English is losing the distinction, or it was never as clear a distinction as people sometimes make it out to be. Either way I’m fine with it because it doesn’t seem like a very useful distinction to make in everyday language, and you can sidestep it entirely by using a word like toxic instead.

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      • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        We say poison tipped arrows, not venom tipped arrows, so there’s at least one example of the words being interchangeable.

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    • dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Same in Norway with “gift”. Also, the same word is used for “married”.

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  • Ransack3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yep, seen this one before, by the standards outlined it means that:

    Lava is poisonous and Bears are venomous.

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    • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Hmm, I was going to say there’s a chance you survive biting lava - but technically there’s also a chance you survive biting something poisonous.

      So yeah, flawless logic. The most poisonous and venemous things happen to be the pure unbridled power of the earth and 900lbs of muscle and hungry.

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  • Kalkaline@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If I call a snake poisonous, or a frog venomous there is no knowledgeable person that will be confused about what I’m saying. The only people who bring this point up are people who love to be pedantic.

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    • CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You called?

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    • LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Would you say the same thing about being envious and being jealous?

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      • BugleFingers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        In the way that language is commonly used, yes. People have been using it wrong for so long “jealous” has effectively become synonymous with “envious”. Even if I dislike and disagree with it being used this way.

        If someone is eating a donut and you say “I’m so jealous [of having the donut]” I’m fairly confident most everyone would understand you mean envious by definition but are using the word jealous to convey that meaning.

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      • cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        And nauseous vs. nauseated.

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    • MicrowavedTea@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Unless we’re talking about eating the snake. That could cause some confusion.

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    • SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You sound like the kind of person that thinks tomatoes are vegetables.

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      • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        How dare you!

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    • AEsheron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ah, but we can go even further beyond in pedantry. This distinction is only wxclusive when we’re talking about a living thing. When talking about the substances themselves, one is a subcategory of the other. A venomous snake is not poisonous, but a venomous venom is a poisonous poison.

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      • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Actually a lot of venom is perfectly edible so long as you don’t have a stomach ulcer or cut in your mouth or something.

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      • TechLich@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yep, and even when talking about living things it’s not a clear distinction.

        In biology, poison is a substance that causes harm when an organism is exposed to it. Venom is a poison that enters the body through a sting or bite. In a bunch of medical fields though, poisons only apply to toxins that are ingested or absorbed through the skin and that definition sometimes carries across to zoology.

        Venomous creatures are poisonous by most definitions because venom is a poison. But if the distinction is useful in a medical or zoological context then they’re not.

        tldr: The pedantry is totally pointless and mostly wrong.

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      • AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        🤓 ahkschully venom is a poisonous toxin

        /s~___~

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    • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is the flip side of people trying to justify all kinds of obviously incorrect language by saying it’s just the language evolving.

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      • averyminya@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If it’s colloquially accepted then that does tend to be the case.

        If they are just saying the wrong words and trying to justify it, that’s a different story. But far too often it’s colloquial and classicalists are just being obtuse by not growing with the language.

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    • Neon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Maybe calling a Snake Poisonous

      But if you tell me a Frog is venomous I’m certainly going to misunderstand and get away from it asap

      Because funnily enough iirc there are actually venomous frogs that kill if they touch you

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    • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      A possibly important distinction is lost, though.

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    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Wait until you have to go out in the wilderness and eat snakes. Then you find a non-venomous snake with hypodermic poison.

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  • cholesterol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • fossphi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Chomp!

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    • Rolando@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Froakie is unable to battle!

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  • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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      • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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        (This one’s pretty obscure)

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    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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      • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Aw, it works on my end. It’s Venom and Poison sprites from Final Fight.

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    I knew something was up. We’re onto you /u/fossilesque

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Can’t pull a fast one on you lot smh

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  • cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What if I put poison on my teeth, bite someone and they die?

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Unlikely. You probably will injest the poison and die, and depending on if the poison also acts as a venom they may / may not.

      It’s probably more accurate to say "Venoms are injected. Poisons are injested. "

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      • cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridatism

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Can something be both poisonous and venomous at the same time?

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    • peteypete420@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Good question. Not an expert. Or even a amateur. But yea eating the venom can’t be good.

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  • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Aren’t those frogs also venomous? The natives use their toxin for tipping their hunting darts and arrows.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The toxins are excreted through their skin, and adhere with the oils that keep their skin moist. It is a defense that keeps other animal from eating/touching them. They are not really facilitated to bite as a defense. They pull prey in, and their mouth mostly crushes, and is used to swallow.

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      • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I meant that if we’re saying it’s venom when it kills you by it being introduced to your bloodstream, then their poison is also venom.

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  • 4oreman@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    this whole thread bites

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  • SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Voodoo like they’re suggesting is made up of old racist ideas about certain religions and spiritual practices. So no, they’re wrong and racist about that part.

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    • MossyFeathers@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure it’s a joke to refer to some form of mysterious, unknowable power conducted by secretive practitioners or something. However, if you’re gonna get upset about it and accuse people of being bigots then you should probably be more specific about which religion you’re referring to and what’s wrong with their statement. There are a number of religions that get called “voodoo” like Louisiana Voodoo, Haitian Vodou, Hoodoo, and Juju. Some of these religions encourage secrecy, others don’t. Some incorporate magic, others don’t. Some use talismans, others feature spiritual possession, and so on.

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      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Fun fact: a hoodoo is also a kind of rock formation.

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  • flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    @fossilesque Your chance to replace the legs of one person with the Saddam Hussein figure…

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  • Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This explains the name poison ivy.

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