Palms

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• Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Tree” isn’t a biological definition. It’s a descriptive term for “a tall plant with at least one rigid central trunk.” Which means that anything that looks like a tree is probably a tree, regardless of species.

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  • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am a tree

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    • cicadagen@ani.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ayy, welcome to the tree club!

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    • TheOakTree@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We welcome you to tree-hood, my fellow arbor

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    • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you get pollinated by birds and bees?

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• Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s no such thing as a tree.

  And as a QI fan, I feel compelled to add there’s no such thing as a fish

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  • Thorry84@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No such thing as a tree? So you mean all those binary trees I’ve been inverting have been a lie? My whole world is shattered.

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  • flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Indeed, it simply is not a phylogenetic categorization but a physio-ecological one. Tree, like shrub, liana, herbaceous, woody/non-woody are all terms solely used to place plants into functional groups based on how they grow. None of these has to do with their taxonomy.

    So the question is, what is a tree and is having secondary growth necessary to be one? Because monocots, like palms are, don’t have secondary growth, they use some workarounds. But why should that matter in the definition of a tree? I don’t know. So yeah, a coconut palm should be considered a tree. But it hasn’t got to do with phylogenetics (like explained in the article you linked).

    Also, millennia ago there have been vast forests of lycopods!! Just imagine huge trees that are actually spikemosses. So why shouldn’t a palm not be a tree?

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      my definition of a tree is basically “a plant consisting of a single pillar-like robust trunk”.

      most plants can be trees, especially ones that generally grow as bushes, if they are prodded into doing so by pruning and whatever other pressures, and there are some plants that seem to flip a coin to decide whether they grow into bushes or trees.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Of plants native to the Canary Islands, wood independently evolved at least 38 times!

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  • dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Uou forgot about the myth of vegetables.

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  • Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Except that yes there is. It’s just not a scientific term. Same with fish.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    …ifas.ufl.edu/…/are-palm-trees-really-trees/

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    • GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A local park ranger I know likes to remark that our state tree is a grass. (I’m in Florida.)

      But I’d say that’s also inaccurate. IMO, grasses are in the family Poaceae, and palms are in the family Arecaceae. I guess one could remark that our state tree is a commelinid…but I don’t think tourists would get as much of a kick out of that.

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    • flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Typical trees belong to a group of plants called dicots

      Whaaaat? Swiftly ignoring all gymnosperms? The temperate zones are full of trees that aren’t dicots, or even angiosperms! Focusing on some biological traits that aren’t crucial to the definition of a tree sounds like the author already likes their neat categories and wants to retroactively justify them…

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Halt! I’m here to check the expiry date of your facts!

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  • criitz@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Neat read, thanks

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• Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s no widely-accepted scientific definition of a tree.

  ##PeopleCorrectingPeopleIncorrectly

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• dannoffs@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is a reminder that there is no universally accepted botanical definition of tree. It is also a reminder that usage supersedes definition, so pointing out that coconut palm trees aren’t “trees” makes you both annoying and wrong.

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  • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The definition of tree exists within the context of all that came before it? 🌴

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    • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Only in the context of biology and evolution, which the right doesn’t understand.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Mmmmm, I’d say specialists would not use the broader definitions that are more colloquial. Generally, trees are woody plants with secondary growth and they aren’t monocots.

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    • dannoffs@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3&q=c…

      Someone should tell the authors of these hundreds of papers then.

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• Downcount@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wait, what?

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Palms, like corn, are really tall grass.

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    • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Conifers aren’t trees by this definition. It seems to completely ignore gymnosperms and even misclassified a couple as dicots like sequoias and junipers.

      We need to stop looking for a scientifically coherent category for a tree and embrace the true, intuitive, childlike definition of it as just a form, like a fish.

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    • GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How many social credit points do I lose if I refer to bamboo products as “wood” outside of botany nerd circles?

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    • ctenidium@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Trees” have secondary groth while “palms” have primary growth. At least that is what I have been told in dendrology lectures.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_growth

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    • FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      true enough, that doesn’t exclude them from being trees though.

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• NorthWestWind@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  From the coco palm family!

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  • GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    🎵 Ya ya ya ya ya 🎵

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• juliebean@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  it looks like a tree and quacks like a tree though.

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  • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ironically, in this case, that literally means it’s a tree

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• HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Okay, and raspberries aren’t technically berries at all, but aggregate fruits. In other words, so the fuck what? When you say ‘coconut tree’, everyone knows what plant you’re referring to.

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• DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Trees are the plant version of crabs.

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• Abracadaniel@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  birds are dinosaurs

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  • dannoffs@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fuck it, birds are trees.

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    • Abracadaniel@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      😔 now you’ve gone too far.

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    • GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      youtu.be/Kh0Y2hVe_bw

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    • Zier@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Birds are not real
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VEkzweBJPM

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• robocall@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you 🌴🥥🍹

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s probably going to be political since it’s wrong.

  The coconut tree (Cocos nucifera) is a member of the palm tree family (Arecaceae) and the only living species of the genus Cocos. The term “coconut” (or the archaic “cocoanut”) can refer to the whole coconut palm, the seed, or the fruit, which botanically is a drupe, not a nut. They are ubiquitous in coastal tropical regions and are a cultural icon of the tropics.

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m off to edit that wiki, the tree is a bit of a misnomer.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecaceae

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I see a fight coming your way in the talk section, lol. Good luck.

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    • FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, good luck with that.

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree

      In wider definitions, the taller palms, tree ferns, bananas, and bamboos are also trees.

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• GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Time to post one of my favorite songs:

  youtu.be/PKQPey6L42M

  (“Da Coconut Nut”, by Ryan Cayabyab. This version is probably the one performed by his group, Smokey Mountain.)

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• JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have literature right here that says otherwise.

  Ahem…

  “A told B, and B told C, I’ll beat you to the top of the coconut tree.”

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• EleventhHour@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Da palm grows da coconut and turns da election around

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• Vampire@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I disagree.

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• Cadeillac@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can tell it’s an Aspen from the way it is

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  • Button777777@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thats pretty neat!

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Of plants native to the Canary Islands, wood independently evolved at least 38 times!

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• big_slap@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  science has gone too far with this one!!

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