Is there a chart where particular cuneiform or hieroglyphics are actually matched with emojis?

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• sagrotan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hieroglyphs are actually not that simple, my ex gf was an Egyptologist, I went to quite a few lectures with her, that was a highly complex language, more akin to Japanese Kanji, with deep layered subtexts. Those desert dudes were crazy. If you have ever have a chance to visit a lecture about hieroglyphs, do it, it’ll blow your mind. Or how they calculated time, or even saw it, culturally and individually, wow. They were so unbelievably far ahead, I sometimes compare them to the octopus of human development, they should rule the world, but there was that one thing, that prevented it. (For the analogy: the octopus dies when their kids are hatching, would they have the ability to pass their knowledge along to them, today eight armed space suits would be en Vogue)

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  • folkrav@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s incredibly easy to fall into the trap of seeing modern societies as more advanced. There’s no reason to think they weren’t just as intelligent and resourceful as we are today. They just lived a long time ago. If history can teach us one thing, it’s that nobody rules the world forever, as advanced a civilization can be.

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    • KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Prior to collapsing, Rome achieved a sustained population in excess of a million people.

      This did not occur again anywhere else until the mid 1800s.

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    • AmidFuror@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don't agree with how you seem to be defining "advanced." You seem to be tying that to intelligence and resourcefulness, as opposed to culturally. I think most use it to talk about the sum of knowledge and technology that a civilization has.

      While ancient cultures were able to learn a lot about the world around them, today we know what they knew and a shit ton more. They figured out how planets and stars move. We've figured out what they're made of, how they bend space and time, their distances. We've landed machines on some and put them in orbit around others.

      They had some cool medical tricks. We have many complex but routine surgeries with high survival rates due to development of drugs, equipment, and sterile environments.

      They could write down their learnings to share with others of their culture. We have a global network of scientists sharing massive data sets and inferences.

      Their innate capabilities were probably no different than our own, but we have massively advanced the scale and scope of learning shared with each generation. We have a much greater degree of specialized knowledge advancing and branching out at a very high rate.

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    • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We had to develop sapience at some point, but I’d guess it was closer to when we invented cooking than writing. Egypt isn’t even that old by the standards of the human race.

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    • evatronic@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Based on the planet’s climate trajectory, humanity may not rule it forever, but we’re aiming to be the last.

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  • TheBlackLounge@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What held the Egyptians back?

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    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Their spines

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    • yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Probably the bronze age collapse, quite a scary event that extinguished trade routes and literacy.

      www.wikiwand.com/en/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

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    • synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I bet it was hangover!

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    (For the analogy: the octopus dies when their kids are hatching, would they have the ability to pass their knowledge along to them, today eight armed space suits would be en Vogue)

    Thank you for sending me down that rabbit hole, it was a really interesting read, and I learned something new today.

    From an article on the subject…

    Octopuses are serious cannibals, so a biologically programmed death spiral may be a way to keep mothers from eating their young.

    They also can grow pretty much indefinitely, so eliminating hungry adults keeps the octopus ecosystem from being dominated by a few massive, cranky, octopuses.

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  • Lemjukes@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does watching stargate count?

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    • rdyoung@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m going to have to say yes.

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And what was “that one thing” for the Egyptians?

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• zqwzzle@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s an entire code block for hieroglyphs in Unicode. symbl.cc/en/unicode/blocks/egyptian-hieroglyphs/

  Amusingly penis features in a few of them. symbl.cc/en/130B8/

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  • BoBTFish@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Specifically in the "D parts of the human body" section?! Is there a "V parts..." section as well?

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    • zqwzzle@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not that I’m aware of only ‘penis’, ‘penis with emission’, and ‘penis with folded cloth’.

      This link has the descriptions unicode-explorer.com/c/130B9

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    • Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Here is a breast 𓂑

      And here an anime titi

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  • Nemo@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well that’s cool as hell!

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  • leftzero@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cuneiform too.

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  • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    🥒

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    • YoorWeb@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      🍆

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  • florge@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So that’s where that penis comes from

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  • BoBTFish@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Specifically in the "D parts of the human body" section?! Is there a "V parts..." section as well?

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  • dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    𓉘

    𓉘 𓉛

    𓉘 𓉝

    𓉘 𓉐

    (𓀐𓀓) 𓂊

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    • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah god damnit

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Of course this isn’t comparable - hieroglyphs form complete languages and are not just a set of emotion symbols. Probably there’s one or two that are emotions but I somehow doubt that the stone writings that endure contain any personal expressions of emotion.

  But the post is funny and it hints at something important. Expressions to co vey emotion are incredibly important to human beings. It’s a language that our bodies are physically built for: our faces are far more changeable and expressive than other animals, and this supported the social bonds and cooperation that put us on top of the world. I’m not saying that across all cultures, one given facial expression means the same thing, but certainly all cultures have a vivid, silent language of facial expressions that is so deeply rooted, we barely think about it.

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  • moon@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    𓂸

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  • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    hieroglyphs form complete languages and are not just a set of emotion symbols. Probably there’s one or two that are emotions but I somehow doubt that the stone writings that endure contain any personal expressions of emotion.

    Emoji don’t just depict emotions…

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok. Write the statement you just make using only Emojis.

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  • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i mean most emojis aren’t emotions, they’re just… things…

    what emotion does a bus have? the joy of not having to sit in traffic?

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes there’s a long list of country flags and currency symbols and other shit in there too but lets not pretend like adding all that crap changed the fact that these are commonly used for expression. Does a cup of coffee have an emotion? Actually it kinda can, yeah, in the right situation. Let’s not even get into what people make of eggplants and popcorn tubs.

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• at_an_angle@lemmy.one ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

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• bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Meanwhile in China they never stopped using hieroglyphics (cries while loading up more 中文 Duolingo and Lingodeer)

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• don@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Back?! lol Homie, it never really stopped. Modern humanity’s about 300,000 years old and we’ve been using various forms of cuneiform and hyroglyphics since waaaaay before even Akkadian was a thing lol

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  • Venat0r@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They went out of style for awhile when the printing press was invented.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  👁️🐦🌊☀️

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  • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eyebirdwaveson?

    How dare you call me that.

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• Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sadly we don’t have the exact modern equivalent 😔🍆💦

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Did someone delete my comment? 𓀨

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• lledrtx@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To answer your question on matching emojis, no, it is way more complex than that. For example check the use cases of this one - en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Hill-country_(hieroglyph)

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  • jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is amazing. I never knew that Egyptian hieroglyphs had names for kingdoms in the Indian subcontinent.

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• hakase@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Writing isn’t language, otherwise the thousands of unwritten languages wouldn’t be considered languages.

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  • rosymind@leminal.space ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Idk. I think they can all fall under language, because they’re all a form of communication. Like sign language, or body language

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    • hakase@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That depends on your definition of “language”, where some definitions are much more scientifically useful than others. Under the definition used by most linguists (for the kind of object we’re talking about here, that is - there are many other relevant objects of study that can be called a “language”), spoken/signed human languages have all of the characteristics of language, while “body language”/animal “languages” do not.

      Sign language is language, since it has a grammar that meets all of the characteristics above, and writing is not considered language, since it’s just a means of encoding/preserving a language that already exists.

      Another way of stating this is that writing is not itself the output of a mental grammar - it’s the output of a translation algorithm that acts on the output of a grammar, and so can’t be considered language itself (again, under one of the most common definitions of “language” used in the scientific study of human language).

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  • Ultraviolet@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ok, strictly speaking, the language is called the Egyptian language and hieroglyphs were the writing system used to write it (until Greek influences evolved it into Coptic). But that’s an extremely pedantic distinction to anyone who isn’t a linguist.

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  • BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think its more like writing is language, but language isn’t necessarily writing.

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    • hakase@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Writing isn’t language at all, for reasons discussed in my comments below.

      Which is part of what makes linguistics work on ancient languages so difficult - we’re having to use these imperfect symbols, which themselves aren’t language, to try to glean as many features about the actual grammars they’re intended to represent, which are language.

      This is why we know much less about ancient languages than we do modern ones - because we have actual recordings of modern languages (the recordings themselves are also not language, of course; they just encode language much better than writing does), so we can get at many more features of the language in question.

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• HappyPenguinos@ani.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  𓂀. CrDroid logo

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  • cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eye of Horus. Was one of my fave high school doodles.

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• superbirra@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  🐟=🍆

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• moon@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  fuckin woke Egyptians were influenced by them aliens making the towers 🫃

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• rar@discuss.online ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not that simple, cuneiform and hyeroglyphs had been accompanied by sophisticated systems representing phonemes and grammar elements of the languages it was being written with. People make the same mistakes regarding chinese characters (older scripts or more “primitive” scripts equated to simple drawings and nothing else). 🤷

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