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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • Skkorm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Assholes will get big dogs, abuse ignore and isolate them, then act surprised when they act unpredictably.

    Breed specific legislation isn’t the answer. The answer is for mandatory training courses predating dog ownership. All dog ownership too. Little dogs can be assholes too.

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    • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I knew someone who had a badly behaved dog, it attacked their partner so they put it down.

      A few weeks later “I’m getting another one and I’m going to train it myself” Meaning they just won’t train it, lost their shit when someone called them out as a dog killer. People don’t deserve animals, people suck.

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    • ExLisper@linux.community ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A minute of silence for all the people killed by asshole chihuahuas…

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      • Neon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        how can you get killed by a chihuahua? it nibbles away your toe and you get an infection?!

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    • MossyFeathers@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, for real. Pitbulls are the common target because they’re the “vicious dog”. It’s a self-fullfilling prophecy. Talk about how pitbulls are vicious man-killers, people who want vicious man-killers buy them and train them to be vicious man-killers, pitbulls become vicious man-killers. Meanwhile, the people who want a family dog don’t get pitbulls because, well, they’re “vicious man-killers”. The result is that statistics get skewed in favor of the “vicious man-killer” status, leading to people seeing the breed as nothing more than vicious man-killers.

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      • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That combined with the pseudoscience that was spewed by Merritt Clifton, that everyone still quotes today, and you’ve got yourself some statistical issues.

        In case people don’t know who Merritt is

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      • FriedCheese@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        People who get pit bulls as “family dogs” have the same issue.

        www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/…/8219201001/

        winknews.com/…/north-port-6-year-old-dies-dog-bit…

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      • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I never thought about that

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    • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Behavior is influenced by genetics as well as environment. Certain individual animals are more genetically predisposed towards violence than others. Certain breeds of particular species tend to have more of these individuals than others. So, it is possible to have a breed that is violent in that: if you take a random sample of that breed where the individuals are subjected to an identical rearing process more of those individuals will be more violent than average than the average breed has individuals who are more violent than average. (I realize that sentence is probably difficult to digest, but I’m not going to spend 20 more minutes working on this).

      Given the data that we have on pit bulls, I think they’re a violent breed. Not all pit bulls are violent, but a pit bull is more likely to be violent than a golden retriever when the two are raised in the same environment.

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      • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But you can train a dog to not act on their instinctual prey drive. So why are pitbulls the problem instead of shitty dog owners?

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      • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Using statistics without context is not right. Especially when talking about people or other living things that have unique personalities and life experiences.

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    • Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree from both an animal welfare and public safety perspective that we need far stricter laws and regulations on dog ownership in general. But also I also think that some breeds are inherently more dangerous than others. For the American Bully XL in particular, we are talking a new pitbull-adjacent breed which has been bred for both aggression and maximum muscle mass, both to skirt past existing legislation that bans American Pit Bulls, but also because both traits are linked to illegal dog fighting.

      We’re also deluding ourselves when we claim that a dog bred to resemble the canine equivalent of Brock Lesnar is a nanny dog and wouldn’t harm a fly, when in actuality losing control of a 145 lb jacked beast has even led to grown adults being mauled to death.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And a license to have a dog and a rebate for a year or more of medical care for them, for getting them spayed/neutered

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    • BoneALisa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When big dog acts out: “ahh that breed is aggressive! 😡”

      Whem abused purse dogs act out (more frequently and more viciously): “oh isnt he just adorable 🥺”

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  • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/…/French_petitions_against_age_o…

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s such a weird situation because I do agree with the criticism of the age of consent being different for gay acts vs straight ones, but also 15’s a bit young there and they think it’s too high. Yikes.

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    • mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bruh, french guys?

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If only the libertarians knew their dreamland already existed

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  • sbv@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What about French philosophers band Princess?

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A lot of them were pedophiles and used their positions as published academics to argue the “philosophy” of “child love”. Pitbulls also have a bad wrap around kids.

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Keep in mind that that France produces a lot of philosophy in general, and there’s plenty of grassroot and intellectual pushback to the ideas.

        You could also just as easily, for example, make this joke about the founders of American “libertarianism,” arguably a kind of philosopher.

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      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Pitbulls also have a bad wrap around kids.

        You mean like this, but with children nearby? Image

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  • WoahWoah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The updated version would be a trans storytime reader and a 9mm.

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    • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      C’mon that’s not fair. Conservatives would always rather have their kids dead than literate. It’s supposed to be a hard choice for them.

      How about. Wear a rainbow Speedo or drink bud light.

      Now there’s a right wing conundrum.

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      • Rakonat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What makes you think they aren’t wearing the speedo already? It has to be something others will publicly see and shame them for.

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      • WoahWoah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You make a compelling argument.

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  • RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would trust the pitbull. Besides, they’re not as bad as people make them out to be.

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    • Buffaloaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Now you’ve triggered Lemmy’s hate of pitbulls. Be prepared for “they should all be put down” and “they’re bred to be vicious, you can’t undo that” comment barrage.

      I wish you luck.

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      • RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thank you. And honestly, anyone who thinks that doesn’t deserve a very special picture.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The pitbull, obviously.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You misspelled Ultra late term abortion machine

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      • adhdplantdev@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You misspelled humans

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  • Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That kid’s getting fucked up either way.

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  • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It depends on who the princess’s owner is. Fucking retards.

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    • Saltblue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t kid yourself a lot of people outside the internet doesn’t have mucho love for the kidprocessor 3000 nany edition.

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      • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What?

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    • axefaire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The internet loves to hate on pitbulls

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      • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s a combination of lack of education on the subject while being confident in what they do know. That’s pretty much every wrong opinion though.

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    • Nacktmull@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don´t get me wrong, it’s humans in the first place who make dogs dangerous but the bad name of certain breeds also has to do with the fact that they have been bred to max out biting power and a tendency to not let go when biting.

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      • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You have to be positive while wading through shit if you don’t want to drown. I understand everything you said, but your first sentence is all I’m trying to get across. It’s shitty fucking people, not dogs.

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  • MasterInu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pitbull owner: He IS a philosopher and a big ol sweetie

    Pitbull is chewing on a person’s arm.

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  • Emerald@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would definitely choose a french philosopher. I’m sure there are many french philosophers who would make good babysitters

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    • crackajack@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Should we tell him?

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  • Novman@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    French philosopher are the founders of most of modern liberal movement in USA… And woke culture… So…

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    • ArcticAmphibian@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      French philosophy is also responsible for our country’s system of government. Montisquieu argued for separation of powers, natural (inalienable) rights and the right to revolution comes from Locke, the social contract with individual liberties comes from Rousseau. Our constitution is a bunch of French philosophy shoved together into a very (for the time) unique Enlightenment-based government.

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    • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      true

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  • not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Rene Descarte was a drunken fart “I drink therefore I am”

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  • duviobaz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Idgf if you call me a pedophile but they’re right with their point that the AOC is too high. Having a multiple-stage system like many advanced countries do, like Germany, where it begins with 14, loosens up with 16 and fully at 18 is good. That’s because it acknowledges the development of humans. Development is a process. Humans in reality are not a simplistic lifeform from a philosophical thought experiment, thinking that it should be illegal before one turns 18 and immediately legal a second thereafter is just nonsensical to me. It doesn’t cut off like that, there’s no such hard barrier or edge where it suddenly turns from morally bad to not morally bad.

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    • Katrisia@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think that if the age of consent is gradual, the age difference allowed should too.

      First scenario, two 15 year olds decide to start their sexual life together. They’re fully informed. Nobody is taking advantage. It’s very different to a second scenario where a 17 year old is dating a 36 year old.

      It’s funny because the problem is usually described with terms these specific French philosophers used: power dynamics. It is too unbalanced. The adult has way more power than the teenager and that’s not healthy, it can even be dangerous.

      I would argue that we should be careful with age differences until our early-mid twenties, even if the law gives us a free pass from our 18th birthday. But, anyway, yeah, in the second scenario, the teenager is older than the first ones, so we’d assume that if the first ones were okay, the second too, but the age difference matters IMHO.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At least the dog will just rip their body to shreds and not their soul.

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  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The pit bull groups of dogs, as breeds, are not the nanny-dogs that people claim they were. They are mastiffs; they were intended to guard, and were used for hunting and war. You can train the shit out of them, and they can still revert to breed characteristics.

    A study in the US concluded that greater than 60% of all fatal dog attacks in the US were from pit bulls or Rottweilers, but those two groups don’t make up nearly 60% of all dogs in the US. These simply aren’t breeds that should be left alone with children.

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