This is what Democratic voters are saying. Will the party listen?

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Should be MediCAID for all.

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  • TheGoldenV@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d settle for proper universal healthcare no matter the name. Medicare for all is not the ideal. I’ll take what we can get though.

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  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Whether you start with Medicare or Medicaid as the base, the end result is the same.

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• chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  When the lefists replace the establishment by voting in the primaries.

  That’s it. That’s all we have to do. You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him. Know why Mandami won in New York? Because the primary voters supported him.

  It’s not fucking witchcraft. People need to show up to vote in the primaries instead of just bitching about the candidates in November. That’s how you move the party left.

  The fascists figured this out and it’s how they’ve completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.

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  • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him.

    Right, it had nothing to do with the DNC openly rigging primaries against him and then arguing in court that they were within their right to do so. It’s never the system, always the individuals!

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    • BigDiction@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why are you going around shitting on everyone encouraging voting? Voting is the bare minimum first step to participating in politics.

      You want to try organizing a bunch of people who don’t even bother voting into action? Good luck with that.

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    • abc@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Leftist politics are inherently anticapitalist. The elites will not allow it as long as they’re alive.

      It’s not the elite who are against anticapitalism.

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The article you linked is about a lawsuit that went nowhere because there’s no obligation for the establishment not to prefer one candidate over another.

      And they didn’t rig shit. Establishment candidates who had no chance of winning dropped out, and their supporters supported Clinton over Bernie because they preferred the establishment over Bernie.

      People make a big deal over how the superdelegates stole the election from Bernie, but they didn’t. He was behind in the primaries when it reached the convention, and the outrageous thing for the superdelegates would have been to overturn the majority of primary voters and give the nomination to Bernie.

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• titanicx@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The issue is, we aren’t broke. Not even close

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  • sanitation@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Our debt has crossed 100% of the gdp and our budgets are unbalanced to the tune of 2 Trillion dollars. We are paying more to finance the debt than we are paying for the military which costs more than 10 next militaries.
    And there are absolutely no one proposing solutions.
    Oh the future outlook is nowhere near than what it was at the end of the ww2 when us was the last one standing

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    • titanicx@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re funny. You think any of that matters when it’s the government. It they were actually wanting to pay that debt off it could be paid extremely fast.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And yet we can afford $T tax cuts for the wealthy.

      Or I know, maybe there’s a cause and effect here

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  • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Uh, yeah we fucking are. The entire country operates at a loss, to other countries, to enormous corporations, to billionaires, and a trillionaire.

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here’s my breakdown after listening to a lot of analyses.

  Establishment (centrist) Democrats really would rather be rich than serve the public. Seriously. If they just pass the clauses written for them by corporate lobbyists, they not only get campaign contributions and dark money, but a cushy high-paying job after their political career ends, and they get to join the ownership class. (Thank Reagan for allowing all this to become legal.)

  The superdelegates in the Democratic Party are all old guard establishment Democrats.

  Also Blue Dog Democrats argue that the Republicans will assert some of the more extreme ideas that the SDA are considering (e.g. abolish police, abolish prisons) which will scare their voters away. The thing is, if their voters are engaged with the far-right propaganda machine (e.g. FOX News) and are dim enough to take Republican talking points seriously, then they’re not going to vote blue anyway. They need to vote red to prove their manhood, own the libs, lock immigrants in torture cages and deny gender affirming care to trans folk.

  Harris made this mistake (among many) during her 2024 campaign, trying to get never-Trumpers and Liz Cheney Republicans. All those are still too racist and detest working class folk to dare vote Democrat.

  Regular Democratic voters want a platform, things like universal healthcare, a jobs guarantee, higher education for all, support for Palestine (and no support for IDF), immediate action on the climate crisis. A platform draws more apathetic Democratic voters to the polls.

  Independents want a better economy, and if they’re not racist (in which they’re actually Republican) then they vote against the incumbent when inflation is high and jobs are down. Right now, inflation is high and jobs are down.

  Blue-no-matter-who Democrats see the Republican party and the MAGA movement as an existential threat to the United States, specifically to democracy as an institution (lower case) and the preservation of civil rights. They fight their platform battles during the primaries, and then vote against Republicans (that is, for the non-Republican everyone else is voting for – usually the Democratic candidate, but not always).

  To BNMH Democrats, the immediate issues are overhaul of SCOTUS (more than merely adding new bench seats and term limits) and federal restoration of free and fair elections (eliminating gerrymandering, voter suppression and top-down election fraud). Until these things happen, the Republican party, and the captured SCOTUS will continue to be an existential threat. As Larry Lessig points out, we’ve been kicking this can down the road for a long, long time, and now we’re paying the price.

  ~ We know independents and non-voters outnumber both Democrats and Republicans
  ~ We know MAGAs are getting dissatisfied, between inflation, the war and the Epstein files. But MAGAs are easy to manipulate
  ~ We don’t know how big factions are, nor how determined they are to vote. There are local trends
  ~ We know that whites in the south are (generally) staunchly Republican
  ~ We know blacks nationwide (generally) vote Democrat. Especially black women
  ~ We know municipal areas vote Democrat, and because they’re dense, they win popular elections (they dominate Governor and US Senate races)
  ~ We know rural areas vote Republican, and they get a boost from the EC. They’re also useful for gerrymandering
  ~ We know the VRA is gutted and the southern states acted quickly to gerrymander and otherwise suppress the black vote. That will affect House seats and state assembly seats, also the race for President in 2028
  ~ We know that billionaires are investing hundreds of millions (that’s huge) in key elections to push them red. In 2024 Musk’s $250M contribution made a critical difference for Trump. In elections since, campaign money has helped less.

  We expect the Democrats will take the House in November, but they will only get fifty Senate seats, leaving the majority to the Republicans. This will inhibit saving Social Security, and allow Trump to confirm bench appointments (including SCOTUS seats if Thomas or Alito retire). If Mitch McConnell remains undead (and still not voting) that will make things interesting… but hopefully the public is pissed off enough to give the Democrats that key one-more Senator.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m an Unaffiliated Independent, but for your purposes, I mostly fit into your BNMW category, including the SCOTUS expansion, and splitting with Israel, which are serious requirements for a future democratic America.

    While you are 100% correct that the Dems finally need to give voice to an actual platform, and not just “At least we’re better than those guys!”

    But IF the Dems give us a platform we can support, the next wave of Dems politicians will first have to fight a political WAR before we can ever even consider any of those Democratic initiatives that we’ve taken years to convince them to accept. As long as MAGA continues to exist, they will thwart 90% of Democratic initiatives, and later they’ll roll back the 10%, the first chance they get.

    MAGA has to be stopped, crushed, and purged from our government and society. It would be great to finally get the DNC to support a real Democratic platform, but it’s useless if we have a literal Domestic Terrorist Organization running around fucking up EVERYTHING. The Biden administration tried to pretend they were just Republican business as usual, and they got savaged for four straight years, and then stole the 2024 election. MAGA will not be ignored.

    I want all those wonderful things on the Lefty Wishlist, and I believe they are absolutely possible, with proper economic and tax policies, but we will NEVER get the opportunity to address them until MAGA Treason has been decisively dealt with.

    And I believe that the Midterm election is going to be a bloodbath like we’ve never seen before, and seats are going to flip that nobody thinks are in contention, including the Senate. I think the Dems may win the Senate by a seat or two, but there will be several surprise flips in the House. All the gerrymandering won’t save them, it will only mean that it would have been even worse for MAGA without it.

    The Dems will come out of the Midterms able to do almost anything they want, and we have to make sure they follow US, not the other way around. They’ve demonstrated they can’t be trusted to lead properly, or at all, so we’ll have to take the responsibility from them, and make them work for US.

    IN 2028, the ONLY winning combInation will be a candidate who enthusiastically commits to crushing MAGA, with a TRANSFORMATIVE platform to pursue after they’ve handled the MAGA business.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If the house goes how you suspect gerrymandering will backfire. Pack and Crack gerrymandering like republicans have been doing is the art of building as many pretty safe seats for your party as you can then attempting to shove the rest into as few as possible extremely safe seats for your opponents (if you can ensure none of your voters are in those districts you do it). It’s finangling safety of seats vs number of seats, and republicans seem to be leveraging themselves a bit heavily at the moment.

      If it’s a bloodshed election, the gerrymandering will be most analogous to a dam that’s bursting. What it had been holding back it’s now providing an excess in its failure.

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• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Uhhh… Ro Khanna is a Democratic congressman. I’m from Canada and I know that FFS. He’s the guy that got some of the Epstein files released and it’s actually a crime that they haven’t all been released.

  Y’all are so conditioned into thinking the Democrats are bad that when an incumbent Democratic congressman says something you like you have to pretend it’s a voter the Democratic party doesn’t listen to?

  and I want to be clear - this means no aid to Ukraine either. We are broke as it is.

  So abandon all allies of the US? I guess you believe both Russian and Iranian propaganda. Is there any propaganda on the internet you don’t fall for?

  The US is actually the wealthiest country in the world. You’re just so blinded by hatred for Israel you can’t even consider simply taxing the wealthy. Hasan Piker is really earning the money Jeff Bezos is paying him I guess.

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  • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No one is “blinded by hatred for Israel”, my hatred for the genocidal colonial apartheid ethnostate is wholly clear-eyed.

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    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      genocidal colonial apartheid ethnostate

      Except Russia, of course. You’re fine with them.

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    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thank you for proving my point.

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• Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But no aid to Ukraine means Europe, your biggest trade partner will be in danger, hence your economy will suffer and you’ll become more broke… There’s a reason why we have the ICC and why we have foreign aid, cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war… So idk foreign aid makes everyone richer imo

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  • killingspark@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Uhm, the USA doesn’t recognize the ICC

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    • Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      and they should sign the Rome institute like 125 other countries in the world did

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  • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war

    LMAO

    Is that really the lesson you think America learned after WWII? Is that why they’ve been constantly starting illegal wars of aggression across the planet for 80 years?

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    • Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think americans education lacks desperately yeah but after a bad enough war they’ll maybe finally see why we need international rules

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• Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It might surprise some people, but democracy isn’t actually decided by posts on twitter. You need to vote in elections, that’s how voters are saying things.

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  • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ah yes, like in 2024, when you could vote between “senile fascist genocidaire who devotes his life to Israel” and “pedophilic rapist genocidaire who devotes his life to money, which Israel has plenty of”

    Electoral politics won’t save us, lib. Working class organizing will. You vote to better enable an environment in which the working class can organize (which mostly means being exploited less), not to cast your vote then wait for your savior to arrive.

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    • MBech@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I get your point, but at no point in 2024 were you able to vote for Biden.

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    • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mfers be thinking that democracy is when you reluctantly go vote for a president once a decade and bitch on fucking twitter about it before and after, and then with the same breath decline that voting doesn’t work.
      We didn’t do a thing and surprise, thing didn’t work. Better do my, different thing that I can’t even describe, that’ll do it.
      No fucking wonder you let your country down the drain with this amount of political understanding.

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So, it’s no longer “Electoralism is the only thing that matters. Vote Democrat”; now it’s “Electoralism doesn’t matter, organizing does. Vote Democrat.” This is how a leftist rationalizes voting against their own best interests. Okay.

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• DudleyMason@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If course they won’t listen. If the last forty years have proven anything, it’s that the Democratic Party will never in a million years choose its base over its donors.

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  • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Democratic Party is where progressive movements go to die. DSA can get some stuff done at the local level, and that’s genuinely a good thing, but the DNC is beyond reform.

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    • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The Democratic Party is where progressive movements are captured and murdered, or at least neutered. It’s the party’s main function. That’s why they’re fine with throwing an election to Trump and fundraising from the minority for a few years, their donors reward them either way as long as they stop those meddling kids.

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• Hobo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Added punctuation to make it appeal to centrist Democrats:

  Medicare for All? No. Aid to Isreal! Healthcare over. War!

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• Enekk@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I really suggest everyone listen to Jon Stewart’s interview with John Fetterman. Fetterman demonstrates what is the rough draft on how establishment Dems will talk about these policies and the people supporting them. It’s not pretty.

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• Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And enough regulation that we can eat fruits and veggies without fear of explosive diarrhea. And the capacity to afford said fruits and vegetables.

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  • daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unpopular, but truth: The company in question also had issues under Obama, did not donate, and did also not receive significant punishments then. And you’re gonna hate this even worse: Outbreaks like this happen. They have and will. And our food system is safer than it was decades and decades ago. Just because it is much safer doesn’t mean things like this won’t happen - they will.

    That said, we can always continue to work to make things safer.

    But this outbreak is not an indication that the system is overall broken in any way whatsoever.

    It’s like expecting fender benders to not happen. And people die in auto accidents. We accept that risk as a part of driving, and we understand that safety improvements over the years have made accidents more survivable. And yet we drive, take that risk, and know that it could be worse.

    Similar with food. It is, overall, very safe. But these things will happen. And yes, we should continually improve safety.

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    • balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s like expecting fender benders to not happen. And people die in auto accidents. We accept that risk as a part of driving, and we understand that safety improvements over the years have made accidents more survivable. And yet we drive, take that risk, and know that it could be worse.

      Not to take away from the rest of your point with which I agree, but we absolutely must stop driving. The risks of driving are not necessary. There are plenty of other forms of transportation that are not only safer but also faster, healthier, make for better cities, and help eliminate poverty. Motonormativity is a crime perpetrated by capital to sell everyone more cars, tarmac, and gasoline, at an enormous cost to human wellbeing and life.

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    • Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      While what you say is true it is also true that this administration is a train wreck, talks often of deregulation, and gives no fucks about working class citizens.

      It’s difficult to trust in coincidence with these self serving leeches.

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• mikenurre@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And release the Epstein files

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• danielquinn@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If the voters are already committed to voting democrat, the party doesn’t need to care about what they think.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But many aren’t, because the Democrats suck, too. Not that they’ll vote MAGA, they just won’t vote at all.

    That’s going to be a big problem with MAGAs, too. A lot of them hate the direction of their party, and won’t vote at all.

    Our future elections may not be about which party earns the most votes, it may be which party doesn’t turn off their voters the most.

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• Jaysyn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Looking at the polling, that’s also what a large contingent of Republicans are saying.

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• cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s no lobbyist money in any of that. Do you expect your politicians to be poor just like you?

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• Doom@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s what most Americans are saying. The biggest voting block in America is independents. Yet we stupidly keep lettings the elites in the margins have all the air in every room so they can pretend-fight over invented talking points as a distraction so we can’t stop them taking our time/money/resources.

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• Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I wish people would stop saying Medicare for all. My wife is preparing to go on Medicare, with the help of a professional due to the ridiculously complicated sign up process that varies by locality and this shit is expensive. I want mine covered by the taxes I already pay and the taxes they should force corporations and rich people to pay.

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  • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We can solve all kinds of problems by making the single richest person pay all medical bills in the country.

    When #1 is down to #2, they’re tied for richest and can share the remainder. Repeat as needed.

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    • Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I like your idea.

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• lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Top of the list should be prosecuting the fascists and plugging the holes in the legal system that have allowed this country to get into the state it’s in. Without that nothing else matters because the next administration will just rip it all out again.

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• Hikermick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Dems commit political suicide pushing Obamacare, lefties sit out the midterms. Biden forgives student loan debt, lefties sit out the midterms. Lefties:“why don’t the Dems cater to me?”

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  • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe if the dems ran a lefty platform they would get the vote of the lefties. Seems pretty God damn simple to me.

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  • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Dems commit political suicide pushing Obamacare, lefties sit out the midterms.

    Wait, what? Obamacare is unpopular? Since when?

    Biden forgives student loan debt, lefties sit out the midterms.

    Well, he tried to, but he failed. Voters aren’t likely to give you credit for failed attempts.

    What does Biden have to do with the midterms, though? I’m not voting for Biden!

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    • rmrf@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Since Obama has super majority and chose to negotiate against himself and failed to provide the single payer health plan he campaigned on

      If you’re collapsing Biden’s own forgiveness to a did or did not happen, it definitely did happen. He had successful attempts

      About the mid terms: ask the people that didn’t vote. I have, and their answers are about as dumb as you’d expect. They fail to see the DNC would rather the RNC win over the DSA.

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  • Wataba@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Apparently stopping the murder of trans people by the state isn’t enough of a wake-up call.

    Transgender people are betrayed by the fake left.

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    • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Trans people were betrayed by the democratic party, lol.

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  • Folstar@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There is, sadly, a popular idea on the left that people should vote how they wish the system works instead of how it actually works. Somehow, they haven’t quite figured out that they are working against their own interests in a token gesture that is lost in the noise. I’m fairly certain this started as intentional sabotage out of some conservative thinktank, but now has diehard believers who keep this very, very bad idea perpetuating.

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Diehard believers in what, exactly? What’s the “token gesture”?

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• lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As long as you vote blue no matter who, there is no need for the party to listen to your demands. If you don’t vote because you’re not happy with the candidates, they will blame you if they loose. Representative democracy is a scam and not by accident

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  • Awooooooga@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Happy with mine in Canada. It helps if your country isn’t shitty!

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    • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I focused on the US because that’s what the post was about but here in Germany, it’s only gradually better but I’m far from happy with it. There are topics with a majority of the population in favor but a minority in parliament. Granted, some of the elements of my first mental list have changed by now but also, all the parties are moving to the right.

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• Mangofunk@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sure, this might be what the voters are saying. Hell, it’s what some of the elected officials are saying too, but what they say and what they do are two very different things.

  Nothing will change until we get money out of politics and neither party is willing to have the discussion, much less act on it.

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• Polisheocket@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Were the only major power without heath care for all, doesn’t make sense. Unless it would suppress wages and or make lots of job loss I’m all for it. I guess the questions, what happens to HSA’s and FSA’s. I have a few thousand in an HSA I’d like not to lose

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• Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I honestly don’t think that any entrenched politician has even the slightest capability of “Listening” to people they so obviously hold in contempt for being less well off. The career people are all set for life (yet oddly still greedy enough) to sell anyone out for personal gain.

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• mirshafie@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ah yes, “healthcare over war”

  Right up there with classic slogans such as “cake rather than crap” and “better a good night’s sleep than getting stabbed in the dick with a screwdriver”

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• SalamiDommie@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The current state of the Democrats will not listen to that.

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is what most normal earthlings everywhere are saying. Now, what’s the holdup I wonder?

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• inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Betteridge’s law is in full effect here.

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