Submitted 2 weeks ago by pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
I wanna do really many things (as hobbies). But mostly I just think of them and nothing more. I have plenty of time and I still do some things, but that’s not enough. So how do I make my wannabe hobbies become my habits?
Make daydreaming your hobby. Way cheaper.
It will depend on you as a person. I will tell you things that helped in my experience:
Buying things isn’t the same as starting. Although ordering is seductive false substitute for it. Don’t buy things until you need them. If you want to sculpt clay start with some dirt and a fork. Only when your 10hrs in do you buy things. (Obviously caveats abound but generally use the imperfect things you have)
it can be overwhelming deciding what hobby to invest in; they pile up and each takes a little mental effort to sustain even in purgatory. This tends toward guilt in the long run. When new things arise, write them down, don’t start them, there is time. Even if you have to choose randomly, all are valid, commit to it for at least enough time to do something.
planning can become an all consuming task. If you find yourself on your phone during the weekend; just get up and start. If you want to do wood working; just get up go collect some sticks and start making a chair. It will be shit, it may not even be functional, but begin, and you will learn more from that and be more energized than a month contemplating.
Know the difference between something you enjoy watching, and something you want to do. It’s ok if you just like watching people make sculptures, there are plenty of other hobbies, it’s not a black mark on your creative ego.
Don’t immediately seek external validation or comparison when you do start. Odds are you will be shit. And thats ok. If your interest wains without external validation; it might be that you crave the validation of being good at something and not a hobby. You can still succeed with that being your aim; but it is a long road to walk and the validation you seek will be hard won. You chances of success increase if you can find a hobby which you enjoy, and that you could happily perform in isolation after a ling day. If you find that then external validation will be a sweet and unexpected reward before you know it.
if you have projects that have been abandoned, and weigh on your soul. Be willing to set them free. Value them for the experiences they gave you. Give them to someone who will use them. It might be bittersweet but much of their value is in memory. If you ever decide to restart you will be surprised how quickly you reach the same level of completion.
I have to admit, this is a magnificent answer. Thank you very much!
LMK if you figure it out.
Any chance you have undiagnosed ADHD? Do you have similar difficulties motivating yourself to start other things in your life, even when you actively want to? Even if you can do those things - but starting is always the biggest hurdle? Or just with this hobby example?
It is possible, but never thought this to be a potential ADHD symptome
Decision paralysis is definitely a symptom of ADHD. Part of the whole executive dysfunction thing.
Not saying you have ADHD, but it might be worthwhile to poke around common symptoms and do some introspection as well.
This is exactly how ADHD works for me at least.
Executive dysfunction. It’s real, and it sucks, a lot. Very much an ADHD thing.
OK I’ll bite. I have the same thing the OP has and I believe most people have it as well (otherwise the world would be full of poliglots, everyone would be fit, etc). My point is you have a finite amount of energy and we want stuff but don’t wanna pay the toll for it (that is when capital takes those longings and capitalizes on them, selling magic pills. A tale as old as time itself).
Now suppose someone knows all that all he would have to do is transcend it, but that is the difficult part.
Now… this is why I said I will bite and I hope you have a real answer. I am trying to motivate myself to do what is right (somethings are easy others are extremely hard). Life then can become exhausting and a checklist to the point where you will get the things you wanted but will not enjoy them. Ex: Everything is in perfect order but you feel off somehow. Health is great for your age, all exams return perfect, you are a great worker which in turns returns you money that you invest because spending on plastic would be stupid (Fight Club and what not), etc, etc…
It seems to me that in the end we have to integrate being human with being animalistic otherwise we ask ourselves to be robotic and reject our true nature…
So… There is no right and wrong way to be so you shouldn’t diagnose people over the internet for a simple remark. Specially because we are complicated machines and it only considered a condition if it affects a person socially.
Biting back: I didn’t diagnose someone over the internet, I offered it as a potential explanation to look into for the issue they described based on my own personal experiences.
I would also push back on that something is only considered a condition if it affects a them socially - on both fronts, actually. Some conditions can heavily affect a person socially, while simultaneously being something they find completely fine, and don’t want to change or alter about themselves at all (eg, autism), while other conditions can affect a person in ways that are essentially entirely nonsocial, but which still cause them so much distress that they still feel deeply compelled to address it (eg, ADHD effectively rendering them incapable of working, or of performing even basic life maintenance tasks, even when they have high motivation to do so). What makes the difference is how it affects that person specifically - whether the effects they experience on their life, social or otherwise, are distressing enough to them that they feel the need to seek some sort of help. I would make a wild guess that ADHD in particular is a condition a lot of people have to some extent, but simply choose not to address, because they don’t find its symptoms distressing enough to care.
Regarding the other point, about the paradox of integrating our neat and domestic human lives, which increasingly demand unmessy robotic perfection while imposing artificial goals and structures on us, with our animal side, which often includes messy and irrational bits that can react poorly to such structured or cookie-cutter environments, or at least mesh poorly with them, in ways that can then get labeled as DSM-5-recognized “conditions”? I think to an extent this also comes down to a personal decision on the part of the person in question, too.
For some, the clash between their messy animalistic side and the reality of their life as a human living in a structured society with rules, may be so complete that they have little choice other than to treat it as a condition to be addressed. It’s one thing to say that someone with ADHD is fine as they are, and don’t need to medicate away something about themselves that’s only really an issue because of the demands society puts on them. It’s another thing entirely when it turns out that condition renders them incapable of working, and it turns out things like food cost money.
But for others, that clash may be a lot less severe, and entirely manageable. Maybe OP really does have ADHD, and maybe it really does just affect their ability to start new unstructured hobbies, and they manage to integrate and survive reasonably well in society otherwise? In a case like that they could very reasonably simply choose to consider it a non-issue, and never seek to address it. Or they could. It would be their call either way. OP’s issue may not be impacting their life enough that it constitutes a fundamental incompatibility with modern society-based human lives in general, but it’s at the very least impacting their life enough to be personally distressing to them, or they wouldn’t have posted about it. If it does turn out those issues are caused by a treatable condition like ADHD, I think they’d be entirely within their rights to seek treatment on that basis alone, even if they’re already well-integrated without treatment.
Lastly, I would also argue back against your very first point - that the issue OP described is essentially something everyone has, and so isn’t a real problem that needs to be addressed. While everyone does have things they’d like to do but simply don’t do, due to lack of time, resources, motivation, or ability, we don’t really have enough information here to say if this describes OP or not. ADHD isn’t just something we call it when someone’s desires for themselves outpace their situational ability to implement those desires. It’s not really a vague or ambiguous diagnosis at all. It represents an actual difference in brain function and brain chemistry that can make things like just starting a new hobby you’re excited about, or cooking a meal, or starting work, feel impossible. In limited circumstances, it may be possible to know all of this and “transcend” it, as you said, some of the time - but in people who actually have ADHD, that’s never going to be a viable long-term solution. Going back to the previous parts of what we discussed, the conflict is in their nature itself - and in a battle of pure will vs. intrinsic nature, intrinsic nature is going to win 99% of the time, no matter how transcendental you think you are. You can’t out-will your way out of a condition that handicaps your will. But you can treat it.
For me it was lack of structure, so what got me going was actually scheduling a class. Then the obligation would kick in because I made the commitment. Even better if it’s a regularly occurring class because then people will start to recognize you and take note if you missed. Which re-enforces the cycle!
For me, it’s committing to the first step, and then following through one step at a time. I also commit to making progress, and take some pride in making progress each time. That way, I don’t get overwhelmed.
I’m currently building a bed, the first step was planning the bed, then gathering the materials, and the new tools I needed, and so forth. One step at a time without worrying about how long it’s taking, or if I didn’t make any progress on some days. It’s been a couple of weeks, and I’m about 85% done. I’ll probably complete it sometime next week, but there’s no deadline, or hurry.
One final tip I’ve read is that you should not tell anyone in detail what you are planning, until you’ve started and have committed. Because, simply talking with someone else about doing a thing can scratch the itch to do it, and you will feel less motivated to follow through.
Is this hobby you want to start actually something you find fun or something you think you’d enjoy if you were the person you think you are?
My tricks to get going; Talk to people about it, this gives me external accountability. It then becomes ”I said I was gonna do it” and I don’t want to be someone who just talks shit. Or the person joins the activity and that makes it much harder to skip.
Think about the end goal or find a critical point. If i want to be a hobby farmer, i need to do the boring part of soil prep. Otherwise summer comes and Ill again be a shit talker. If i don’t sow these seeds now, theres nothing to farm later.
Prepare a work station and leave stuff out; In place and in the way. I make little specialised toolboxes or work stations. Its about lowering the barrier to getting started.
Simplify your ideas. You don’t need to see A-Z. Just reaching B can change circumstances and create inspiration. I employ ”donkey mode” by briefly considering the consequence of doing a bad job, how poorly others have done it but still succeeding, and repeat the mantra donkey mode donkey mode. I can deal with the consequence of my poor labour after the fact. Someone already made it worse than I did.
If things feel insurmountable; just focus on a small thing. I have many projects running in parallel and taking just a single step forward is great. When all the pieces are in place: execute. Dig that damn garden, don’t worry what gets planted.
And don’t be afraid to cut projects loose or shelve them. Having an infinite todo list where hobbies usually get knocked down, prevents the brain from feeling ”done and settled”, which keeps me from getting into something fun.
Cheers and good luck ✌️
This is great advice!!
I wrote a novella four years ago in a manic buzz. It’s just a first draft, but I loved every minute of it. I realized this week, actually, that I was putting that magic energy on a pedestal and was just waiting around until the bug bit me again to get to writing. That’s not… going to happen. So, instead, I decided to write every day. Just a few minutes, at least. It’s day 3 and I’ve written more than I have in the last 3 years.
So, probably make it less intimidating. Do it smaller, snark enough to actually get started.
I find telling someone it’s already done and that you’ll show them tomorrow focuses the mind quite efficiently.
Psychological tricks with external help.
Specifically reserve time for them, plan them out in advance, do something every day if you can and set reminders. There are even apps that try to support you with habit forming.
So if for example 6pm to 7:30pm is hobby time, every day, and you treat it like an appointment you have to go to (with yourself).
Plan your projects in advance. This can be done during that hobby time, but be sure to write down which tools and material you need, so you can just pick it up. Also, it helps if things are organized, if you just need to grab a box and it has everything in it, that’s easier to pick up and put down than searching and collecting all your tools every time you need them.
Knowing that I have a lack of executive function, what would really help me is someone to act like my mom and force me to do shit.
Honestly, just starting any activity is the hardest part. Find something you want to try, and just force yourself to do it. If you like it, then keep going. If not, maybe the hobby isn’t what you imagined.
There’s lots of advice here, but I don’t think anyone has mentioned removing the distractions that pull your attention away. Phone, tv and video games are big ones for me. I have a rule that while i’m working on making a game, that I don’t regularly play other games, and it makes me much more productive. If you can stop yourself from doomscrolling, you’ll probably be more motivated to do all kinds of things.
Figure out what’s holding you back, and destroy it. I know for me (and many others), its perfectionism, or the taste thing in that Ira Glass quote:
“Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.”
The simple solution to this is to commit to making something that’s bad. Make enough bad things and you’ll learn the skills needed to make some decent things.
Pick one. Do thing.
You have to use boredom. Boredom is what has naturally lead humans to be curious about things. Turn off all screens and sit in a room with the only option being boredom or a new hobby. Naturally you will choose the hobby.
You have to be strict about not having other distractions especially screens as your mind wants the easy route out of boredom.
I find this helpful “ADHD alien motivationg”. Also depression can make doing hobbies hard.
Write these things on a simple list.
Write a priority next to them: 1 - 3
Then write a difficulty next to them: 1 - 3
Start with the easiest one today!
try lists. i schedule tasks on my phone.
none of my tasks are big, 20 pushups a day means about 600 a month.
or one step in a larger task, going to a store to see if they have the right fabric for a mosquito net. whether they have it or not, if i go, that’s a task complete. I cross it off the list and now I’m in the process of completing the larger task of making my bug net.
“hey, Google. Remind me every day at 9 am to do 20 push-ups”
or for single tasks “hey Google, remind me in 5 seconds to check daiso for a hammock ridgeline.” I might not do it for four days, but the task is there reminding me that I have something I want to do.
And yesterday daiso hsd a perfect elastic cord, so I got to mark the task complete yesterday and now my hammock has a ridgeline.
One thing that helps me is thinking of the smallest possible first step, then committing to doing that thing alone. For instance, if I’m having trouble getting myself to write something, I might tell myself to just make a few bullet points of things that need to be included or write a single paragraph. If I’m having trouble studying something I want to study, I might tell myself to make/go through one flashcard. Usually I end up writing more than a few bullet points/that one paragraph and doing far more than one flashcard.
Read atomic habits or similar books. Find the smallest possible step you need to start. Reduce friction the starting regularly to an absolute minimum. Make the thing part of your personality, don’t say “I want do draw”, say “I want to be someone who is good at drawing”. Etc…
Start by researching it. Start with the ones that have low barriers of entry. Like off-roading lol /s
We only really do things within what we are used to by habit. You can pick up a new hobby by revisiting the same time every day or every few days to do something related to that task or to judt do something random, then you have time where you feel like doing random thing st that time. I have to cook for everyone i live with most days at the middle of the day so i always take a break from working then, i literally always feel like stopping work come 12:00 or sometimes even 11:00. Can’t fight this unless i’m in flow state and literally know someone else will make food today.
I think i’ve already shared with someome recently, but this video is a great guide on habit formation and making time for things. AA: Truth about effortless yet insane productivity
Something that took me a long time to make a habit is running, because i actually don’t like doing exercise habitually, and i wanted it to be connected more to whether i feel like doing it. The key is to do build up activities - for running this included walks, to build up stamina, and to pick out different routes i could use. Also, tedting out different stretches and leg workouts.
Spoiler alert: exercise really should be a scheduled thing, that’s what makes it Exercise™︎, like “Your body gets fitter” and not just exercise the biology term for “some calories are burned, i guess. Whatever.”
Another hobby: pickling. First few times i was focusing on testing different jars i had, and practicing sanitisation of them, so i only made 1-2 jars of stuff at once.
The first step is to gauge what time of the day you feel like doing that thing and can feasibly do it, and it might mean killing one activity you do at that time. And scheduling it - i just mark it out on google calendar and then get a notification reminding me. This takes advantage of the sunk cost fallacy, you’ve already sunk a small little effort+planning cost into it and now want to see the task through. It’s also like an appointment - a date/meeting with yourself.
You can also juat use that time tk sit down and read about the hobby and then if ideas come to you whike you’re reading inspiration/guides, you can immediateoy get up and do them.
Watch Nathan For You
I find I just have to. I used to think about all the things I would want to do once I have the time but now I just want to go into a torpor for a few thousand years.
Set goals and give yourself deadlines. Don’t give up if you don’t meet the deadline, but try your best to meet it. Also, give yourself rewards for completing tasks
TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Seems simple, and in a way it is, but in other ways it can be very difficult.
On step 1, I recommend first researching the term “maladaptive daydreaming”. Seems relevant to what you’re describing.