What in the Jill Stein bullshit is this? You honestly think shit would be just as bad if a dem was in the Whitehouse? Do you need some help off the toilet?
the two party system is just one big party
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alekwithak@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
fizzle@quokk.au 5 hours ago
Don’t bother.
There’s like 4 of these idiots on lemmy that parrot these both-sides memes.
One of them posted in nostupidquestions last week asking how americans can be the ones paying tariffs because they’ve never been charged a tariff.
You can’t unscramble an egg. Just block them and move on.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 5 hours ago
Then why bother commenting? Blackrock Inc. & Vanguard will continue profiting well after your quokk instance dies, so why bother blocking someone who knows how economies are debts games?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 8 hours ago
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris both supported the genocide in Gaza. Nancy Pelosi stood and clapped when Trump was making pro-interventionist remarks about Iran at the state of the union address.
I don’t like it either, but we can’t keep denying reality. The two party system needs to go.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Your skirting of my question and the demonstrably untrue claims you’ve made aside, yeah of course there are Dems that absolutely need to GTFO. Bad faith content like this is what keeps people from bothering to vote those people out.
wuffah@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I don’t think Biden or Kamala would have started a war with Iran. And, they would at least offer restraint while meeting prior commitments to Israel even as it pushed genocide in Gaza, instead of wholehearted enthusiastic wanton destruction. And they certainly wouldn’t release an AI video of Gaza turned into some kind of horrific twisted kafkaesque graveyard rivera of the Middle East.
Their ICE detention centers would have a standard of care, face scrutiny when they didn’t, and function more like a part of a real immigration control system instead of concentration camps for protesters and brown people. They wouldn’t arrest American citizens for simply protesting, and they certainly wouldn’t have presided over a DHS that executes citizens in the street.
They wouldn’t hawk cheap merch from the White House or tear down the east wing for a self-serving passion project that will never be built because it’s actually just to embezzle from the taxpayers.
And here is perhaps the most important thing: they would make sense when they spoke, and attempt to inspire the things that make Americans good, instead of raving like senile narcissistic lunatics taking out their man-child shortcomings on the world.
The list of things that a real Democratic administration would NOT do compared to this sham regime of an autocratic wannabe dictator is endless, and by the end of this four years you’ll be begging for a return to the status quo. These people are insane and they are running the most power government with the most powerful military on earth. I’m convinced that the “both sides” crowd are simply conservative operatives vying to push blue votes to a third party, or to discourage voting for Democrats at all. Even if they aren’t, it’s the same effect.
Nobody likes the two party system, but this harmful lie that both parties are the same has got to go. They are not the same. One is better, even if it has support Israel to keep the Jewish vote and win elections. Vote red, third party, or abstain at our shared peril.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 9 minutes ago
DOGE would not have happened under Biden or Harris. Millions of people are dying because of cuts to US AID.
Venezuela would not have happened. Like, how crazy is it that you lost a handful of the most egregious things Trump has done recently and yet somehow invading another country and kidnapping their leader a couple months ago doesn’t make the cut? I don’t mean that as a criticism of you, just how much insane shit Trump has done.
Cuts to Education have been and will be devastating for years. Shutting down tons of science and information-gathering agencies. Economic data is going to be non-existent or useless for the foreseeable future. All the lovely anti-trust action Lina Khan was starting to do under Biden has been erased. All the work Jessica Rosenworcel was doing to restore Net Neutrality under Biden has been erased. The Republican party is about to pass a bill that will disenfranchise both trans people and women. The EPA has been gutted. Trump has given and cut off funds to states, both for regular projects and disaster relief funds, based on how they voted for him, while Biden (and no other president I am aware of) has done anything like that before.
So-called “communists” have a tendency to become EnLiGhTeNeD cEnTrIsTs.
JustJack23@slrpnk.net 57 minutes ago
I live when Americans start explaining how the bad part of starting a war is that congress didn’t approve it. Cancer on the earth.
mlg@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I don’t think the Biden or a Harris administration would have started a war with Iran while brazenly sidestepping congress.
No they’d probably unbrazenly sidestep congress after Israel manufacturers a reason for them to go to war with something like another 9/11.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
This almost reads like a parody tbh. Like, you just want the fascists to be polite and lie to you about the evil shit they’re doing overseas? Come ON. You deserve better. Stop settling for these fucking monsters who support genocide and concentration camps!
wuffah@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Call me when you have an electable leftist candidate. I would certainly vote for them. Until then, I’d like to get these abject MAGA lunatics out of office at the earliest possible convenience please.
What the hell else are we supposed to do? Do you think America will suddenly elect a third party candidate or nominate a real leftist/socialist/anti-genocide candidate after DECADES of failing to do so? At least the requirement of a lie creates some semblance of accountability. The Republican Party now does it openly and gleefully as a matter of course, at an order of magnitude greater in intensity.
I will take the giant douche over the shit sandwich any day man. We don’t have to eat the giant douche! Using the giant douche is manageable over time, but eat a shit sandwich is non-negotiable, I will not do it.
realitista@lemmus.org 6 hours ago
I used to think this way in the '90s. But anyone today who can look at Trump and say he’s the same as the Dems is fucking delusional.
wpb@lemmy.world 25 minutes ago
That would be a weird thing to say indeed. No one’s saying that though.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 hours ago
It’s not that they’re identical, or that they share 100% of the same policies, they do have differences, but democrats still supported genocide in Gaza, they supported intervention in Iran, they support US imperialism, and most importantly, they’re bought and owned by the ruling class, so they will never address the underlying material conditions which cause fascism to take root. Trump is terrible, but the democrats made a Trump inevitable. We need real change to prevent fascism in the future. Continuing to vote blue no matter who makes everything worse.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 34 minutes ago
So, no difference between one genocide and WW3?
Hubi@feddit.org 2 hours ago
You need to have a foothold somewhere to stop this slide into dictatorship and your only chance to get it is a democratic leadership. You will never see change in the US if you think that it has to be 100 or nothing. It’s not a single issue thing. This whole discussion is absolutely maddening from an outside perspective.
realitista@lemmus.org 5 hours ago
I voted 3rd party for 20 years, but I stopped when Trump came to power. It’s not a 10% difference any more. It’s the difference between living in a free and democratic country and living in a fascist dictatorship.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Idk when one guy is saying he’ll suspend the constitution and the media is lockstep behind gaslighting everyone about project 2025, I think you should be asking yourself why the billionaire owned media is almost entirely siding with republicans.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
they always were, AOC, BERNIES and some other are there as PR, they dont allow them to gain too much influence or too much power.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Yep, the old shit heads keep anybody with radical ideas like “actually do something that helps people” from actually getting into any positions that make them capable of enacting any of those ideas.
I was gonna say young people but Bernie is old as shit and they stood in his way too.
chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
We really need to stamp down on this “but both sides suck” bullshit. Yes the establishment Democrats suck, but this defeatist bullshit doesn’t help. I know it would be great to live in a country where there isn’t a two party system l. No hate towards you this subject just got me ramty as fuck.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 8 hours ago
This isn’t defeatist at all, you just need to recognize that the change you want to see needs to come from an alternative source. Vote Blue No Matter Who is how we ended up with fascism. We need to acknowledge that fact, then we can start to change it.
Have hope, a better future is possible, but it probably won’t come from electoral politics. We need to build an organized labor movement and start taking real action.
The Black Panther Party is a great model for this!
chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Nah your overall meme is defeatist as fuck. Your saying no matter who you vote for the trolley will run ove everyone. I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but this bullshit dichotomy doesn’t help.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
both sides thing is such a conservative buzzword, are these people cosplaying as “far leftists” as conservatives because they sound exactly the same too.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 7 hours ago
Nobody is proposing defeatism you ignorant fool. We want systems that DO NOT KILL PEOPLE.
You really look at your friends and family and tell them:
Time to die for Rupert Murdoch today, that’s the way it goes.
Snapz@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
What a vacant post… Democrats have a lot of issues, but there is NO reasonable comparison. For one, Kamala wouldn’t unilaterally assassinate other world leaders while starring wars without Congress.
You look like an idiot posting this, now of all times to post.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I assumed it was a joke and that’s why they posted to shitposts, but looking at their comments here no longer sure.
Hikermick@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Fuck this shit
bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 hours ago
If you always vote blue no matter who then there is no long-term harm reduction, it actually increases overall harm to have that philosophy. If you aren’t willing to withhold your support and vote third party then there is no incentive for democrats to try and win your vote.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
That’s not at all how voting works. You get a wet noodle or a psychopath. The correct way to deal with the democratic party is to make them more afraid of democrat voters than republican voters.
You don’t get that by “strategic voting” or whatever. You get that by doing what the french do and by creating chaos, legitimate fear and headaches for them until they give into demands.
forestbeasts@pawb.social 4 hours ago
Look, between the “let’s not do anything at all” party and the “wants us, specifically, dead” party, I’ll take the “let’s not do anything at all” party.
You don’t have to 100% like everything a given party is doing to recognize that they’re the least bad option. Sure, they aren’t really actively good, but a vote for them is a vote against the people who want to kill us. (And voting third party is just tossing your vote in the garbage, unfortunately.)
– Frost
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
I totally understand that, and I completely sympathize with the harm reduction position, but it’s a trap!
If you always vote blue no matter who, then the Democrats have no incentive to ever become more progressive - they already have your vote, they don’t need to appeal to you by advancing progressive policies. On the other hand, they have lots of incentives to shift towards the right, to appeal to their wealthy donors. The result is that the democrats will always be ever so slightly better than the republicans, but both parties shift towards the right and authoritarianism over time.
This means that, in the short term, what seems to be harm reduction, is actually long-term harm maximization. Every election, both parties get worse. This brings us to 2024, where the lesser evil candidate was a pro-genocidal protofascist.
We can’t just keep doing the “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” bit or things will never get better, only ever worse.
lemonwood@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
If Dems win next election, things will get even worse than they are now. Much, much worse in fact. That’s just the inevitable trajectory capitalism is on. Things would just get worse a bit slower than under Trump, at least for the privileged labor aristocracy in the imperial core. The evil empire would simply be run into the ground by slightly more competent genociders. Revolutionary change is the only way out.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
But in the meantime as you group up, maybe don’t allow the side making things worse faster get into power? - sincerely, the rest of the world.
starik@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Election season is upon us. These posts aimed at splitting the left have been ramping up.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 7 hours ago
Democrats are not left. They aren’t even center. Please stop settling for fascists wrapped in a rainbow flag.
starik@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Sure thing, comrade. The important thing is to remember not to vote imirite? 🤡
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 7 hours ago
There’s a left wing party in the fash🇺🇲‽
Fortunafors@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Let’s pretend Democrats would be acting differently than Trump, he is just louder.
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 hours ago
I’m on the tracks :(
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
oh the trolley eventually hits a wall and explodes
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Then maybe vote for the colour that make the trolley slower so you can have more time to prepare and enjoy the company of your neighbours.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Are you some new nepo baby we don’t know about? Cause if not you ain’t in the trolley, you on the tracks with the rest of us.
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
This is pretty true, but remember that it is fixable. Voting in primaries is where you shape your party.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
not in its current state, it isnt fixable. and there isnt enough of a large enough 3rd party coalition to hurt either party.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 8 hours ago
How to vote for direct acts and not representatives?
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
On the federal level, that’s not what or how a representation democracy works. On the state level, my state usually has quite a number of direct voter initiatives.
purrtastic@lemmy.nz 4 hours ago
Block and move on folks
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
Good advice, thank you!
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Bruh its illegal to say anything other than “Trump bad”
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 8 hours ago
THANK👏YOU!👏
Too many ignorant FPtP electors on lemmy not comprehening the systemics of our genocide class.FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 8 hours ago
The next election will still be FPtP no matter how ignorant you are to the evils of the GOP.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 8 hours ago
Click my profile again before you spouse more bs.
The 🇺🇲 has been evil since its inception.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 hour ago
L meme