Comment on the two party system is just one big party
wuffah@lemmy.world 5 hours agoCall me when you have an electable leftist candidate. I would certainly vote for them. Until then, I’d like to get these abject MAGA lunatics out of office at the earliest possible convenience please.
What the hell else are we supposed to do? Do you think America will suddenly elect a third party candidate or nominate a real leftist/socialist/anti-genocide candidate after DECADES of failing to do so? At least the requirement of a lie creates some semblance of accountability. The Republican Party now does it openly and gleefully as a matter of course, at an order of magnitude greater in intensity.
I will take the giant douche over the shit sandwich any day man. We don’t have to eat the giant douche! Using the giant douche is manageable over time, but eat a shit sandwich is non-negotiable, I will not do it.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 5 hours ago
This is exactly the problem. Everyone would! But the Democrats are never going to let a true leftist candidate be the presidential nominee, we saw that in 2016 where they transmuted Bernie Sander’s victory into Hillary Clinton’s defeat.
Stop fucking lying to yourself, stop settling for these douches when we can actually push for real change.
What it takes to start this journey is a willingness to admit that change is possible instead of the endless defeatism.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Real quick…
How many votes did Bernie get in the 2016 primary, and how many did Clinton get?
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
I get what you’re saying, but we need both of you, and we need you to stop fighting.
We only win enough power to deal with fascism (which will kill millions at this rate) and eventually climate change (which is going to kill billions of people) if we use EVERY strategy available to us. Progressive like electing the best democrats we can, socialist like labour action, and radical like actually fighting an unjust system.
But most importantly we have to stop fighting eachother. People like you need to hold their noses and vote at every election they can for the best candidate they can. People like wuffah will need to tolerate well targeted revolutionary action without publicly criticizing the left.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 hours ago
I broadly agree with you, but I think this kind of debate is actually very productive, I don’t see it as wasteful fighting at all, if I can convince a single person who would have otherwise just voted and take no other action to realize that just voting isn’t enough and to get involved with activism efforts, then all of my efforts in this thread will have been worthwhile. That’s what I’m here to do, building solidarity across the working class, and raising awareness of the issues with electoralism.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Yeah, that’s fair. In leftist spaces we should have healthy debate. We just can’t let that undermine solidarity with our more and less radical members.