Do you think conservative feel the same need to burn it all down as everyone else felt when trump won again?

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• masterbaexunn@lemmy.world ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Charles Kirk was a fascist. Call him that.

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• Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m a conservative, and no. Charlie Kirk was awful. I’m a pacifist, so I’m not glad he’s dead but I’m not surprised either. “Those who live by the sword” and all that.

  “Burn it all down” flies straight in the face of conservatism anyway. It’s all about tying to save the good things in society from destruction. When it feels like the government or society is all gone wrong is the time when it’s most important to save what we can.

  I’ll be honest, it’s hard to feel hopeful when our current President won reëlection on a deeply regressive platform. The man is hostile to any kind of conservatism because he hates checks on his power. His vocal wrath is directed against progressive standards because that’s what riles up his base but at the same time he’s doing damage to our government and social institutions that will last for generations. He’s a nightmare for conservatism. But that just makes it all the more important to fight the tide. Giving up and burning it all down is not the answer.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨58⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I’m curious what it is about conservative ideology that appeals to you. Because I have come to the conclusion after several decades on this planet, that deep down it is a destructive, and morally bankrupt philosophy.

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    • Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨22⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I’m curious how you came to your conclusions, too, because the point of conservatism, to me, is to prevent destruction.

      I’ve been a environmental conservationist my whole life. As I became an adult and aware of politics, I came to realize that just as the natural environment requires protection against the selfishness, greed, and short-sightedness of humanity, so too do all the social and political systems that take decades or centuries to build but only years or months to destroy (as we’ve seen under the current administration).

      It’s been said many times that at the heart of all conservatism is fear. That’s not a very generous way to put it, but neither is it inaccurate. Fear of loss, fear of risk, fear of change. Conservatism holds that if things are pretty good, most changes are likely to make things worse and not better, and so change is to be treated with suspicion, and people pushing for it doubly so, since altruism is rare.

      A bicycle needs both pedals and brakes. We need to move forward, but not recklessly. Before a change is made, the case needs to be argued as to why it is necessary, what it will cost (and there’s always a cost), how to ensure it actually achieves what it sets out to achieve, and how it might be misused in the future. In other words, before a change can be made in the name of Progress, it needs to be demonstrated that the change actually is Progress. To progressives, this feels like standing in the way of Progress. To a conservative, this is safeguarding Progress, the Progress previous generations achieved, from changes that, again, are more likely to be bad than good.

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  • DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Nazis hate preachers aren’t awful for conservatism, they ARE conservatism.

    “But I’m just a fiscal conservative, the only REAL kind of conservative!”

    You’re joining forces with nazis. If you’re not a nazi, you’re a nazi collaberator. So please kindly go fuck yourself with your bullshit that only you believe.

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    • Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Fiscal conservatism doesn’t work, any economist can tell you that.

      You’re completely correct that conservatism destroyed its reputation when it allied with the religious right in an attempt at political power. The regressives took over the GOP, calling themself conservatives all the while. Terrible to watch from the outside, but like I said, giving up is not the answer. The only thing to do is push back, and try to save what can be saved.

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think they’re mad. Charlie Kirk was their man, and he was so young, who knows what he could have been. Like, Trump is what, pushing 80? Plus he’s a felon, everyone knows he’s in the Epstein files… he is on his way out, in more ways than one. Kirk is a little cleaner. So all their hopes and dreams of keeping the coloured man down, keeping the “alphabet mafia” as Kirk called the LGBTQ+ community, down, were pinned on this guy, or at least a lot of those hopes, so yeah, they’re pretty pissed.

  Thing is, they weren’t gonna let up on people of colour or people of different sexual identities/orientations anyway. And all signs show they were ramping up the violence against minorities. So yeah, they’re mad, but when they say things like “now it’s war” it’s hard to know what they mean since they were waging war before.

  It’s like an abusive situation and a lot of these people are probably domestic abusers and come from that mindset. Like they were already going to do damage, but now that you’ve struck back? Oh, now you’re really in trouble. But you were never not in trouble because the problem isn’t you, it’s them. They were always gonna be that way. We have to figure out how to get our country out from under this bullshit.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Lol now they’re left with Tim Pool hahahaha

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• Solumbran@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Conservatives are defined by the need to burn it all down. The point is that they see a horrible past as glorious, torture as duty, and war as peace.

  It doesn’t matter who dies or whatnot, everything is just a tool towards this goal, not the actual motivation behind it.

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• DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  No. Not even close.

  Conservative religious terrorists feel hate, and that hate is cultured from childhood into a life-long, fictional god-approved hate.

  Normal humans not suffering from major psychological instability don’t do this unless indoctrinated into a hate religion from a young age.

  Seeing a hate preacher stop hate preaching is a good thing that bad people are pretending is a bad thing.

  The orange pimple didn’t get elected, and that caused more confusion than anything.

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  • iii@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Seeing a hate preacher stop hate preaching is a good thing that bad people are pretending is a bad thing.

    That’s not what happened though. The message got amplified by the way this murder happened, and the cheeryness of how many people reacted.

    If the self-proclaimed good guys celebrate violence over dialogue, then there’s no good. A valid conclusion were the premise true.

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• magic_lobster_party@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Trump & co are working towards stripping away the power of the people who already don’t have much power. I don’t think these two events are comparable.

  Charlie Kirk might have been killed by a far right Goyper. I’m not sure what conservatives can burn down apart from themselves.

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  • DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    " I’m not sure what conservatives can burn down apart from themselves."

    Fucking everything. They want to burn it all down. Even if it doesn’t affect them, they want to fuck it up.

    The less you have, the more they have. They don’t need more things to get comparitively richer, they just need to take things away from you. You wouldn’t do that, because you’re not mentally damaged, but they sure do at every opportunity.

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    • magic_lobster_party@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I’m afraid that’s what they’re going to do, because they’re never rational. They will use this opportunity to accelerate their damaging politics.

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• betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ll worry about 50,000 other things today before the question of how conservatives are feeling crosses my mind. It’s not important.

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• Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Hurting others is all they care about. They’re fucking psychos. Stay strapped and don’t become their victim

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• HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The conservative need to burn everything down got Trump elected.

  The problems with Charlie Kirk’s assassination is the following.

  First, random gun violence hit a conservative news commentator. Worse, it was someone who grew up in a conservative family. So, you’ve got a lot of conflicting emotions playing out in real time.

  Second, there has been a lot of push back regarding what kind of commentator Charlie Kirk was. The discussions of who Kirk was outside of the conservative bubble are leaking in and a lot of Kirk’s fans hate it.

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• CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No, not really comparable. Unless your blue anon and think Trump cheated. Probably more apt to compare J6.

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• vivalapivo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  everyone else

  Less than half of everyone tho

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  • Successful_Try543@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Less than half of everyone who voted successfully.

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    • vivalapivo@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, yeah. Keep calling voting for Trump success

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• iii@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There will be radical people like that.

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