Calling them “students” is not helping, the work is often part of their professors’ output. Maybe should be called research apprentices.
Stanford Professor: The idea that Stanford University owes its graduate students a "living wage" is preposterous
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to workreform@lemmy.world
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Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
T3CHT@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This is the issue with how this whole thing is framed.
Of course the university doesn’t owe grad students anything besides an education.
But, being a grad student need not involve any teaching or professor research support. That’s labor. It’s customary labor that may be exchanged for education, but it is indeed an exchange of value for labor and subject to everything that entails.
Source: got a real grad degree without any of that BS just paid tuition (partially via my employers tuition reimbursement:)
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You could owe them both in one of the most expensive places in the US to live. Teaching the lower division courses you won’t touch should at least afford rent, groceries, and gas.
Oh and Berk also objects to DEI, how surprising coming from an Apartheid-era relic. He’s just another conservative, tenured piece of shit who likes riling up the student body.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
He’s another South African who grew up in the Apartheid era, and left South Africa around the time Apartheid ended. You can taste the vile Apartheid poison in all his work.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
So a fascist. Not suprising.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The Stanford University endowment includes real estate and other investments valued at $36.5 billion as of August 31, 2023,[1] and is one of the four largest academic endowments in the United States.[2] The endowment consists of $29.9 billion in a merged pool of assets and $6.6 billion of real estate near the main campus. Along with Stanford’s pension assets, working capital, and non-cash gifts, the endowment is managed by Stanford Management Company (SMC), a Stanford-owned investment management company.[3]
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The same Stanford that charges $62k per year in tuition and is located in one of the most expensive areas in the U.S.? Maybe the grad students should commute from Wyoming in order to teach Professor Dickweed’s classes for him so they can afford rent? The disconnect from reality is ridiculous.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 weeks ago
He got his nut, fuck you
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Weird. Here I thought having to work a full time job came at the expense of education. I have coworkers who only take once course per semester, because they literally have no time for more.
Then again, our mistake was being born into the working class. We should’ve tried being born into rich families that could provide for us during school instead.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 weeks ago
The only solution practically available to peasants: quit being poor 🤡
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
There’s plenty of working class families that have and continue to put their children through college. If you select with respect to cost, it is especially not hard
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There’s a vast difference between trajectory of life of someone who has graduated 2 years CC vs Stanford
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ah, you sinned the original sin.
Born broke.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 weeks ago
Parasitic trash has an opinion
bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I finished my Biochem PhD in 2023 and the only way I survived the 6 years of indentured servitude was by working from 2014 to mid 2017 in the pharmaceutical industry. I saved and invested every penny I could, then moved to Pittsburgh where the $23,500 pre tax stipend went a bit further. Also, graduate student in my department were banned from having any other jobs, and yes it was enforced. One of my cohort had got in serious trouble working at the museum and one had minor issues when they picked up a faculty member while driving Uber.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Let him know what you think about it: jbberk@stanford.edu
ftbd@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Wait, PhD students still pay a tuition?
sobchak@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
He’s arguing that the tuition waiver is their income and they’re choosing to spend it in tuition. It’s an idiotic argument.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 weeks ago
Only if they are stupid and/or don't understand what PhD supposed to be doing
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Several generations were sold a lie about college being a necessity to move ahead in the world. Now people are calling these guys out on it and they’re all surprised Pikachu face.
themaninblack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hazing is the reason I decided not to become a doctor or an academic. Well, that and bad grades.
stoly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think you may be taking this wrong. The problem is that universities are severely underfunded and always have been. They simply don’t have the money to pay a living wage to grad students. When forced to do so, some universities have simply dissolved student positions as a response.
The problem isn’t the university or this professor. The problem is why we aren’t funding these better so that they can pay a reasonable wage.
Univ3rse@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
Stanford is private with an endowment over $35 billion and charges $25 grand per semester for graduate programs. I’m not interested in my tax dollars funding a private college primarily for rich assholes.
stoly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Billions of your tax dollars already go there to fund research. That is how universities work, public or private.
grindemup@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
BussyCat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s an endowment, they can’t just empty that pool of money they take around 4% of the money each year that they get from investments which ends up being around 10% of their budget
meyotch@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
This statement is not based on any facts.
glimse@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re right, we need to continue concentrating the salaries in the administration department!
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You have to understand that the teaching assistants can’t teach effectively unless the Dean gets his $50k/year mortgage paid for by the university along with a new car.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The problem is definitely all things mentioned.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I agree that there’s no right to a living wage, or any job at all. What there is a right to is basic income, whether it’s in the form of negative taxes, jobs programs, or other means.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Universally even.
ook@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
“A Stanford professor”… Please make sure to attach names specifically for such bullshit views, it seems this is Jonathan Berk, you can only find the cowards name in what looks like footnotes.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Tea-drinker slang for “fool”. The name fits.
hazl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Is tea drinking a big enough deal to have its own slang?
liverbe@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Another rich kid from South Africa acting like he did it all on his own.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
More like Bonathan Jerk