My guess is that their revolt will be similar as the recent Chinese and Russian ones.
Happy No-more-USA Day
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jeena@piefed.jeena.net 3 weeks ago
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Same. I think the revolt is a second peaceful protest and then bending over for centuries.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
-United States Declaration of Independence
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
The declaration really can’t be highlighted like that. It undermines the gravity of the letter, but I understand people don’t like to read.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
Essentially, they say that people are willing to endure suffering for the sake of not having to change their lives. But Then it follows that with
But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism
When all people can no longer ignore that the government is forcing everything to have an absolute ruler, the people will come to the conclusion that the government must end by force.
While a lot of people agree with this, it’s not enough. When I go to work, everyone is still going about their day like nothing has really changed. Too many people still have shelter, food, and medicine. That’s about to change now. And when people experience that, that is the time they will overthrow.
The reason they want revolutionary violence to occur earlier than later is because they still have the opportunity to turn the most brain washed against the rest of us.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We need to grow our numbers! The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.
Erica Chenoweth has a very well researched presentation on the success of non-violent resistance overthrowing dictatorships with only 3.5% of the population. I highly recommend it.
Come out today for the Free America protest! We also have the Good Trouble Lives On protest on July 17th.
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ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
They’re finally doing one on a weekday? Excellent. I like the concept of these protests but they seem so trivial when they involve people pretty much just hanging out with signs in front of empty government buildings. Having it on a weekday means disrupting business and work schedules. Don’t let them ignore you.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I still cannot fathom why they scheduled on a weekday for the next one. If you want turnout schedule for the weekends.
I know people should fo out regardless, but they have bills to pay. A lot of people can’t afford to miss a shift and vacation time is far too limited
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
No, they need to be on weekdays. They need to disrupt business and be visible. Weekend protests in front of empty government buildings are worthless.
MrShankles@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I work weekends, so it’s hard for me to attend weekday stuff. But I took off of work on a Saturday to protest, because we need people out there. So I say do it on the weekdays too, and have people call-in to work to go.
Peaceful disruption by having mass call-ins on protest days; because it matters and it makes the protests harder to ignore when people aren’t going into work every time a protest happens. Keep it happening, and keep the pressure up. I can’t afford a vacation anyway, so I’ll save my PTO to get out there and call-in to work whenever. My time off is my time off, don’t matter why I’m calling-in because it’s none of their business
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Because defending your democracy isn’t a weekend fucking sport. Standing outside an empty building with a sign does exactly nothing.
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members
Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 2 weeks ago
Be careful though, emergency dissolution of the Senate is exactly how Palpatine gained power. There has to be a careful plan and new system ready to go and not just fall to the one person it shouldn’t.
I know it’s fiction, but just saying. Dissolving it is one thing, but having a coherent plan is another.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Its not even fiction. Palpatine’s rise to power is based on actual history. Both the Roman Empire and WW2 Germany.
Banana@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The monopoly on violence for the most part comes from the military, so the choice they have is a military coup. Problem is he’s stacked the military with loyalists
meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I mean this is actually what the second amendment was for, it would be nice if the NRA said something.
If you go left enough you get your guns back.
Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He stacked military leadership with loyalists. It’s still each and every individual soldiers responsibility to determine for themselves whether they will follow an order if they believe it to be unjust. Many in the military are Maga, but there will be many that would refuse such orders as well… Basically, I’m just trying to say the military isn’t a hivemind. If orders came down to attack us citizens, I’d hope there’d be significant pushback throughout the ranks.
manigordo@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
I work for an US company and I got a day off, it is curious, cause Im from Costa Rica, and I belong to the bribri indigenous nation, and we commemorate Pa Bru day, an ancient leader who stopped Spanish incursions to our land in 1710. So I wish, from the deepest of my soul and for my ancestor that you, US fellows, rebel!
huppakee@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
It sucks that the USA is associated with the bald eagle because IMO it’s still a beautiful bird and it did nothing to deserve the association. And also for me, the fact that they sound like seagulls makes them even more relatable because it has an annoying voice just like me 😆
huppakee@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Ikr, they sound so funny and not at all like the majestic yet hyper masculine beasts they are usually portrayed as.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
First past the post voting system isn’t democratic and can easily be corrupted by Gerrymandering.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
I mean yeah, I vibe with this, but did you mean to reply to something else? 😄
woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, I meant that revolting against a government without an election system change is replacing one almost dictatorship with another.
toppy@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?
nsfw936421@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
The biggest problem is, that this isn’t a government issue. A lot of people still stand behind that government so overthrowing the government would likely lead to a civil war.
Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately probably not in this day and age. Cutting-edge identification AI and drone tech, and of course weaponry, will be used against the civilian population. It has all been subverted to opress us and control us, In my opinion at least.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No revolution is communism
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ll believe it when I see it. The Americans seem perfectly content with how things are.
JargonWagon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The MAGAts are the ones content. Majority are not.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How about a general strike? More than protests but non-violent.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The thing is that the average person in the US still have it pretty good, because they still have their bread and circus to distract them from the creeping fascist takeover.
When people refer to those instances in history where non-violent protest succeeded, the average person was much more afflicted, as in with literal risk of starvation or similar. Modern dictators have long since learnt that you just need to ensure very basic means of sustenance and a helluva lot of entertainment (provided with the willing help of the tech bro oligarchs), to keep the general populace content with events.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
I 100% support a general strike, but (1) I think that’s a lot more difficult to organize than revolt, which can be spontaneous, and (2) I don’t think a general strike and a revolt are mutually exclusive tactics.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I think it will take more than that to take down a terrorist organization unfortunately
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The civil war that follows isn’t even the difficult part.
The difficult part is coming up with a vision for the time after the civil war. And that’s gonna be difficult. If americans couldn’t agree on a policy before 2025, why would they be able to come up with one after that?
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I just want to mention that there’s a series of difficulties:
- practically, a good 20% - 30% are still backing trump, especially among “republicans for life”. It would be easy to topple a government if 99% of the population despised it, but if 20% back it, it’s difficult because it can retract and re-collect strength.
- normally, conflicts are decided by who can stay solvent longer, i.e. who has more money. normally, that would be blue states, but if trump can just print money through the federal reserve, then that kinda makes that point more questionable.
- then there’s a shitload of cultural issues. the vietnam kicked the american’s butt because they were fierce and willing to die for their cause, because they were willing to die for their community. america doesn’t have communities like that, america is very atomistic, i.e. everybody fights for themselves. establishing a good sense of community is a whole lot of work and takes a long time. i don’t see it happening overnight.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Ideally, the Civil War takes care of the people who have been making a game of blocking the obvious, realizable solutions to nearly all of the US’s problems.
yagurlreese@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
omg guys calm down holy fuck. I swear to God progressive and leftists are the masters of infighting, I wish we could not squabble like this. whatever anyone is doing is good, I know it comes from a good place but we’ve got to stop all this incessant bitter. people on the right go along with whatever batshit insane plan their chosen lunatics shovel out, while we debate about semantics and methods lmao
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
“today we declare independence from the USA” was a particularly nice headline from the guardian
Kaboom@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Fuck off
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I was born and raised here in the United States, just like my father, and his father, and so on for several generations. You fuck off. You and your disgusting fucking federal government. May you all rot in hell.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
May you all rot in hell.
You’re already a rotten creature.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
no u
sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The boots must be tasty over there
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I can’t tell if these people are Russian agents trying to undermine Western culture, or just rabid morons who want to create misery for even more people. Either way, this kind of post is my least favorite thing about lemmy.
BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Woah Buddy Hoser! Go back to Reddit Eh?
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Nah I’m undermining Western culture for the love of the game 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
“western culture”
🤮
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lisa murkowski can catch these hands.
lars@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Long live King George III
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The only times americans revolted against their government was when americans were fighting to KEEP slavery. So I wouldnt get my hopes up.
frog@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
While this is true, the Million Man March was not supposed to be a peaceful protest. Malcolm X talked about how Martin Luther King’s speech pacified what could have been a turning point in history.
Also the government has destroyed any positive movements but making laws indirectly making those movements illegal and killing leaders of any significant movement.
The anti marijuana laws is a great example of shutting down a hippie movement and any positive black groups at the time.
The killing of leaders is also particularly damaging because new leaders weren’t able to trust people in their own organization. For example the man that killed Malcolm X was from his own movement. This created paranoia for people with in the movements.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What about Bonus Army?