Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.
Steve Jobs: The difference of stealing yourself vs being stolen from
Submitted 1 year ago by fer0n@lemm.ee to [deleted]
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DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
OscarRobin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
SternburgExport@feddit.de 1 year ago
Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.
porkins@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.
stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tru
Korne127@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that…
nuxetcrux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who, Elon or Steve? /s
SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was
Oh he died soon enough.
marmo7ade@lemmy.world 1 year ago
he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was
He cut the line for organ donation. People did get to see how he was, and they didn’t care.
umbraroze@kbin.social 1 year ago
iOS user: "DUDE have you seen [new iOS feature]? This is the bee's knees!" [10 minutes of gushing omitted for brevity]
Android user: "...Yeah, we've had that for 15 years."Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
Even the iPhone itself was just a more advanced version of a PDA or other handheld PC device that existed years before it. Logically, phones would have advanced similarly with or without Apple.
DrQuint@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I had one called the iPaq.
Apple has since then made it illegal to trademark products starting with “i”. Irony.
tosmo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To be fair, Apple had a PDA, the Newton, back in 1993… Not that it was the 1st again…
ephimetheus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It wasn’t an entirely new concept but it completely redefined what it could be. Look up what Android looked like until the iPhone was demoed.
BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wouldn’t even say the iphone was more advanced than what came before it haha.
I still have 2 fully functioning Palm TX devices from 20 or so years ago, they were released mid 2005 while iPhone was June 2007 I think?
Looking back, I cannot fathom (aside from marketing) how apple beat palm in that market.
Here are the specs, keep in mind the TX was released several years before the original iPhone Ram: Palm TX: 128 Mb iPhone: 128Mb Screen palm TX: 480×320 iPhone 480×320 Processor TX: 312Mhz iPhone 416 Mhz
So, for a 3 year or so delay, the original iPhone imo still doesn’t completely dwarf the TX, but I’m also not through as there are plenty of features that the TX had but the iPhone lacked.
The TX was also touch screen (I find it much more responsive) and was meant for a stylus instead of fingers. To this day, I still love writing and drawing on the TX. Oh, and the stylus fits neatly into the TX on the right side. Also, it has a nice little replaceable flip cover for the screen.
But that’s not all, it has an SD card slot for expandable storage, something the iPhone omitted.
It also has wifi 302.11b support and Bluetooth as well, yes, Bluetooth in 2005 and it was very easy to activate and use.
But no, that’s not all, it also had an IR transmitter/receiver! Something the iPhone helped to kill. Those things were underrated!
They made the TX the perfect universal remote! I had a program on the TX that listed every T.V/DVD/VCR/Cable etc. Manufacturer you could imagine, you’d just select the manufacturer for the device you wanted to control, aim the TX at it and bam, you had control.
This helped me a lot as essentially I could control almost any device I could see. Lost remote for the DVD player? TX got you. It wasn’t just for t.v’s and whatnot though, many things run on IR and I miss when smart devices supported it.
Ah, and I’m still not done, the TX had BUTTONS. Actual factual buttons. Not only was it 100% touch screen, but it had 4 buttons and a directional pad with another button in the middle iirc.
Those buttons made it great for emulation and I believe I had a snes emulator on it though that may have just been Nes, either way, the buttons were much more fun to play with than touch screen, it made the device actually feel… made for what you were using it to do.
In fact, everything on the device felt made for what you were doing, and not just an afterthought. It came preloaded with plenty of useful apps. A web browser that was even YouTube capable for one, which in 2006 or so when I got the TX blew my mind, YouTube in my Palm?
Maybe I went a little overboard in this comment but my point is, damn, some more competition may have been nice.
Oh, and one last thing, My TX devices still run like the day I got them, hell, the battery life is insane as well. I left one on for at least 2 weeks and it still had power last I checked. How many original iPhones that were opened in 2007 are still running? Heck, even an iPhone 5 from 2012, how many of those are still up and running?
Yet my 2005 TX runs just the same as it always did. It’s insane to look at a device from 2005 and feel like in 2023 we should be taking notes, but we should.
Our devices won’t last that long on standby today because they’re filled with bloatware processes that refuse to stop running. The TX powers up instantly after it’s been sitting for days and will be on 99% battery. My modern smart phone will kill its own battery within a day or two, tops, just sitting on my desk without me touching it.
Palm needs to make a comeback. Devices with SD, IR, buttons, built in stylus etc. Should as well.
Oh, and the OS was perfect. Calendar, web, paint etc, an Aux jack, these little things were and still are badass. If it wasn’t for the limited capability due to not being able to access the web like before I’d probably still use them daily.
But I’d never use an original iPhone daily, they just aren’t good for anything that I can’t do with any other device.
DrQuint@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Floating apps. And split screen. I was playing Pokemon Go with reddit open in the corner in 2017 and it was old then. I dunno when iOS got it, but it’s recentish.
SimplePhysics@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Neither floating apps nor split screen were ever released for iOS. Split screen was added a while ago for iPadOS, but floating apps (Stage Manager) was released just last year.
Cheez@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Remember when “resize window from any corner” got a round of applause?
RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Wait what does that mean, how else do u do it and what device was it?
Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
This happens the other way too FWIW
BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Genuinely curious, what did iOS have first that Android then adopted? Not doubting at all just curious as to what
newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Fun fact: Android is older.
designatedhacker@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. pcworld.com/…/original_android_prototype_revealed…
Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).
They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.
ChronosWing@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
More like Apple copies an android feature that is more than a decade old then claims it as some kind of innovation.
Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
To this day whenever I hear people say Apple invented the smart phone I sigh. Maybe that’s technically true or not depending on how you want to count it. But what irks me is how people think it was brilliant. Like bro, I was browsing on the go with my Zune and PSP years before the iPhone came out. The only things we can thank Apple for are the two worst parts of a smart phone. Apps and the phone.
bemenaker@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Android was not aimed at blackberry. It was to be a completely new phone OS from the ground up and add extensive capabilities to the phone world over what the blackberry (the most popular phone at the time) could. Yes the G1 had a similar form factor to the most popular phone at the time and it wasn’t even the only form. It was a prototype that barely even sold. The Motorola droid was the most popular android phone when they actually shipped. Development problems and companies scared to gamble on a radical new product delayed Androids launch behind iPhones. Apple did a fantastic job of developing the iPhone in secret, knowing the Android was coming.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 year ago
Something something Xerox
dill@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Found the commenter who is old enough to retire
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 year ago
I think every nerdy person knows about it though. Gates and Jobs have a pretty famous exchange over it.
Rakonat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Retirement? In this economy?
Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Y’all need to watch pirates of Silicon Valley
VanRijn29@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He meant “photostat” though.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you’re not in the know, google “a neighbor named xerox gates jobs”
Dig an inch and you realize woz has more tech talent in his left pinky than jobs ever did.
CapnMoisesBKind@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Eli5 about it? Please?
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 year ago
I think this captures the highlights of the issue.
Flabble@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I miss when Steve Jobs was the most overtly garbage trashman in the tech industry. Well, at least he’s resting peacefully in hell.
Qyuzu@lemdro.id 1 year ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Those are weird stats lumping in phone OSes with desktop/notebook OSes.
peter@lemmy.emerald.show 1 year ago
I think hed be pretty happy with that! That 13% may be less, but its all from 1 manufacturer or brand. They dont need to share a piece of the pie!
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Android4Life! But come on, give up that graph that combines mobile + desktop operating systems! They are totally, completely different and should be kept separate. But only based on who buys them, who uses them, who supports them, customer vs corporate customers, etc…
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
1% for Linux? Come on, Android is Linux.
BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like that “unknown” is OSX’s biggest competitor
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 1 year ago
Why does this asshole live rent free in all your heads? I never hear Apple fanboys bitch about that creep Andy Rubin.
oatscoop@midwest.social 1 year ago
Because his company was (and continues to be) a powerful force acting against consumer rights.
He was also an a self absorbed asshole.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Your first question is fair, but Apple fans don’t know who that is.
FancyFeaster@lemmy.fail 1 year ago
Did he forget about windows mobile pda phones that predated the iPhone? I had one of these before the iPhone was a thing: m.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_iis-933.php
Bipta@kbin.social 1 year ago
iPhone undeniably brought the technology forward by years, even if only in terms of software. I don't even like iOS, but it seems disingenuous to compare iPhone to those, or the Samsung tablets, or anything that came before it.
BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I miss when devices came with infrared transmitters… Also it had a mini sim & built-in Bluetooth/wifi at that time, wow.
GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 year ago
He was just Salty 🧂.
pizzahoe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Man all this money in the bank and still ranting like a loser. Mfer his company steals all product ideas from other companies right from VR headsets to features from Android and then he says this. Innovate harder bitch 🤣🤣
preciouspupp@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
What are you talking about? He’s dead.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
At least normal billionaires pretend to be fans of free markets where competition keeps prices in check. Steve Jobs was just honest enough to admit he’s a piece of shit
Lightning66@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.
CoughingwithCoffee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.
fer0n@lemm.ee 1 year ago
If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.
gnygnygny@lemm.ee 1 year ago
In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.
Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He says great artist steal then says he wants to destroy android for stealing? Like he did anything but hype shit up on stage
Fontasia@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Maybe he should have said “The best artist is the one with the best lawyer.”
Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Apple, with the iphone, did pioneering capacitive touch screen and biometric. Android brought smartphone to the mass and trigger the stupid camera war.
tallwookie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
rofl. apple stole their gui from xerox, so I guess he knew how it worked.
still failed, rather epically
Kushan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.
dill@lemmy.one 1 year ago
He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Say what you want about Steve Jobs, he’s the guy who killed Steve Jobs
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He also washed his feet in toilets. I’m not joking.
Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 1 year ago
People liked Bill Gates so … IDK.
cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
what is personally wrong with gates?
Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bill Gates does some genuinely great things for humanity.
sep@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He have really taken an adolf nobel turn.
gamey@feddit.rocks 1 year ago
He should have copied Jobs and just died sooner!
fer0n@lemm.ee 1 year ago
From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.
1847953620@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.
falsem@kbin.social 1 year ago
I had a former boss who idolized him. Which was... concerning as his employee.