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Steve Jobs: The difference of stealing yourself vs being stolen from

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  • Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.

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    • dill@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one

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      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Say what you want about Steve Jobs, he’s the guy who killed Steve Jobs

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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He also washed his feet in toilets. I’m not joking.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People liked Bill Gates so … IDK.

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      • cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        what is personally wrong with gates?

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      • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Bill Gates does some genuinely great things for humanity.

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      • sep@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He have really taken an adolf nobel turn.

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      • gamey@feddit.rocks ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He should have copied Jobs and just died sooner!

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    • fer0n@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.

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      • 1847953620@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.

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      • falsem@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I had a former boss who idolized him. Which was... concerning as his employee.

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  • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.

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    • OscarRobin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.

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      • SternburgExport@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.

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      • porkins@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.

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      • jarfil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.

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      • stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Tru

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    • Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.

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      • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.

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      • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that…

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      • nuxetcrux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Who, Elon or Steve? /s

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    • SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was

      Oh he died soon enough.

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    • marmo7ade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was

      He cut the line for organ donation. People did get to see how he was, and they didn’t care.

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  • umbraroze@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    iOS user: "DUDE have you seen [new iOS feature]? This is the bee's knees!" [10 minutes of gushing omitted for brevity]
    Android user: "...Yeah, we've had that for 15 years."

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    • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even the iPhone itself was just a more advanced version of a PDA or other handheld PC device that existed years before it. Logically, phones would have advanced similarly with or without Apple.

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      • DrQuint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I had one called the iPaq.

        Apple has since then made it illegal to trademark products starting with “i”. Irony.

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      • tosmo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        To be fair, Apple had a PDA, the Newton, back in 1993… Not that it was the 1st again…

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      • ephimetheus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It wasn’t an entirely new concept but it completely redefined what it could be. Look up what Android looked like until the iPhone was demoed.

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      • BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I wouldn’t even say the iphone was more advanced than what came before it haha.

        I still have 2 fully functioning Palm TX devices from 20 or so years ago, they were released mid 2005 while iPhone was June 2007 I think?

        Looking back, I cannot fathom (aside from marketing) how apple beat palm in that market.

        Here are the specs, keep in mind the TX was released several years before the original iPhone Ram: Palm TX: 128 Mb iPhone: 128Mb Screen palm TX: 480×320 iPhone 480×320 Processor TX: 312Mhz iPhone 416 Mhz

        So, for a 3 year or so delay, the original iPhone imo still doesn’t completely dwarf the TX, but I’m also not through as there are plenty of features that the TX had but the iPhone lacked.

        The TX was also touch screen (I find it much more responsive) and was meant for a stylus instead of fingers. To this day, I still love writing and drawing on the TX. Oh, and the stylus fits neatly into the TX on the right side. Also, it has a nice little replaceable flip cover for the screen.

        But that’s not all, it has an SD card slot for expandable storage, something the iPhone omitted.

        It also has wifi 302.11b support and Bluetooth as well, yes, Bluetooth in 2005 and it was very easy to activate and use.

        But no, that’s not all, it also had an IR transmitter/receiver! Something the iPhone helped to kill. Those things were underrated!

        They made the TX the perfect universal remote! I had a program on the TX that listed every T.V/DVD/VCR/Cable etc. Manufacturer you could imagine, you’d just select the manufacturer for the device you wanted to control, aim the TX at it and bam, you had control.

        This helped me a lot as essentially I could control almost any device I could see. Lost remote for the DVD player? TX got you. It wasn’t just for t.v’s and whatnot though, many things run on IR and I miss when smart devices supported it.

        Ah, and I’m still not done, the TX had BUTTONS. Actual factual buttons. Not only was it 100% touch screen, but it had 4 buttons and a directional pad with another button in the middle iirc.

        Those buttons made it great for emulation and I believe I had a snes emulator on it though that may have just been Nes, either way, the buttons were much more fun to play with than touch screen, it made the device actually feel… made for what you were using it to do.

        In fact, everything on the device felt made for what you were doing, and not just an afterthought. It came preloaded with plenty of useful apps. A web browser that was even YouTube capable for one, which in 2006 or so when I got the TX blew my mind, YouTube in my Palm?

        Maybe I went a little overboard in this comment but my point is, damn, some more competition may have been nice.

        Oh, and one last thing, My TX devices still run like the day I got them, hell, the battery life is insane as well. I left one on for at least 2 weeks and it still had power last I checked. How many original iPhones that were opened in 2007 are still running? Heck, even an iPhone 5 from 2012, how many of those are still up and running?

        Yet my 2005 TX runs just the same as it always did. It’s insane to look at a device from 2005 and feel like in 2023 we should be taking notes, but we should.

        Our devices won’t last that long on standby today because they’re filled with bloatware processes that refuse to stop running. The TX powers up instantly after it’s been sitting for days and will be on 99% battery. My modern smart phone will kill its own battery within a day or two, tops, just sitting on my desk without me touching it.

        Palm needs to make a comeback. Devices with SD, IR, buttons, built in stylus etc. Should as well.

        Oh, and the OS was perfect. Calendar, web, paint etc, an Aux jack, these little things were and still are badass. If it wasn’t for the limited capability due to not being able to access the web like before I’d probably still use them daily.

        But I’d never use an original iPhone daily, they just aren’t good for anything that I can’t do with any other device.

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    • DrQuint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Floating apps. And split screen. I was playing Pokemon Go with reddit open in the corner in 2017 and it was old then. I dunno when iOS got it, but it’s recentish.

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      • SimplePhysics@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Neither floating apps nor split screen were ever released for iOS. Split screen was added a while ago for iPadOS, but floating apps (Stage Manager) was released just last year.

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    • Cheez@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Remember when “resize window from any corner” got a round of applause?

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      • RogueBanana@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Wait what does that mean, how else do u do it and what device was it?

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    • Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This happens the other way too FWIW

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      • BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Genuinely curious, what did iOS have first that Android then adopted? Not doubting at all just curious as to what

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  • newIdentity@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fun fact: Android is older.

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    • designatedhacker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. pcworld.com/…/original_android_prototype_revealed…

      Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).

      They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.

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      • ChronosWing@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        More like Apple copies an android feature that is more than a decade old then claims it as some kind of innovation.

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      • Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        To this day whenever I hear people say Apple invented the smart phone I sigh. Maybe that’s technically true or not depending on how you want to count it. But what irks me is how people think it was brilliant. Like bro, I was browsing on the go with my Zune and PSP years before the iPhone came out. The only things we can thank Apple for are the two worst parts of a smart phone. Apps and the phone.

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      • bemenaker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Android was not aimed at blackberry. It was to be a completely new phone OS from the ground up and add extensive capabilities to the phone world over what the blackberry (the most popular phone at the time) could. Yes the G1 had a similar form factor to the most popular phone at the time and it wasn’t even the only form. It was a prototype that barely even sold. The Motorola droid was the most popular android phone when they actually shipped. Development problems and companies scared to gamble on a radical new product delayed Androids launch behind iPhones. Apple did a fantastic job of developing the iPhone in secret, knowing the Android was coming.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Something something Xerox

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    • dill@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Found the commenter who is old enough to retire

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think every nerdy person knows about it though. Gates and Jobs have a pretty famous exchange over it.

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      • Rakonat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Retirement? In this economy?

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      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fucking wish I could retire

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      • Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Y’all need to watch pirates of Silicon Valley

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      • VanRijn29@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He meant “photostat” though.

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    • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you’re not in the know, google “a neighbor named xerox gates jobs”

      Dig an inch and you realize woz has more tech talent in his left pinky than jobs ever did.

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    • CapnMoisesBKind@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Eli5 about it? Please?

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think this captures the highlights of the issue.

        businessinsider.com/bill-gates-answers-reddit-que…

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  • Flabble@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I miss when Steve Jobs was the most overtly garbage trashman in the tech industry. Well, at least he’s resting peacefully in hell.

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  • Qyuzu@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here are the stats nowadays. Just to make Steve Jobs roll in his grave, once again! 😂

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those are weird stats lumping in phone OSes with desktop/notebook OSes.

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    • peter@lemmy.emerald.show ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think hed be pretty happy with that! That 13% may be less, but its all from 1 manufacturer or brand. They dont need to share a piece of the pie!

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    • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Android4Life! But come on, give up that graph that combines mobile + desktop operating systems! They are totally, completely different and should be kept separate. But only based on who buys them, who uses them, who supports them, customer vs corporate customers, etc…

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    • jarfil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      1% for Linux? Come on, Android is Linux.

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    • BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I like that “unknown” is OSX’s biggest competitor

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  • IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why does this asshole live rent free in all your heads? I never hear Apple fanboys bitch about that creep Andy Rubin.

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    • oatscoop@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because his company was (and continues to be) a powerful force acting against consumer rights.

      He was also an a self absorbed asshole.

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    • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Your first question is fair, but Apple fans don’t know who that is.

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  • FancyFeaster@lemmy.fail ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Did he forget about windows mobile pda phones that predated the iPhone? I had one of these before the iPhone was a thing: m.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_iis-933.php

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    • Bipta@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      iPhone undeniably brought the technology forward by years, even if only in terms of software. I don't even like iOS, but it seems disingenuous to compare iPhone to those, or the Samsung tablets, or anything that came before it.

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    • BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I miss when devices came with infrared transmitters… Also it had a mini sim & built-in Bluetooth/wifi at that time, wow.

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    • GreenMario@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He was just Salty 🧂.

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  • pizzahoe@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Man all this money in the bank and still ranting like a loser. Mfer his company steals all product ideas from other companies right from VR headsets to features from Android and then he says this. Innovate harder bitch 🤣🤣

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    • preciouspupp@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What are you talking about? He’s dead.

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  • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At least normal billionaires pretend to be fans of free markets where competition keeps prices in check. Steve Jobs was just honest enough to admit he’s a piece of shit

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  • Lightning66@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.

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    • CoughingwithCoffee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.

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    • fer0n@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.

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    • gnygnygny@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)

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    • whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.

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  • Stinkywinks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    He says great artist steal then says he wants to destroy android for stealing? Like he did anything but hype shit up on stage

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  • Fontasia@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maybe he should have said “The best artist is the one with the best lawyer.”

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  • Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Apple, with the iphone, did pioneering capacitive touch screen and biometric. Android brought smartphone to the mass and trigger the stupid camera war.

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  • tallwookie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    rofl. apple stole their gui from xerox, so I guess he knew how it worked.

    still failed, rather epically

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