why isn't the use of the bidet more widespread?

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• theKalash@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because of “big toilet paper”. They even tried to assassinate a spokesperson for japanes toilets.

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  • XiELEd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Holy shit? Do you have a source for that because damn. It’s something I would expect though.

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    • theKalash@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s was joke. That’s the plot of a south park episode.

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    • neal33@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s a joke from South Park

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  • cubedsteaks@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I wish I could find it again but this was years ago now that I saw a news story about the rise of women getting UTI’s from bidet usage in Japan specifically.

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• Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Today you have the bidets you can install on your toilet, but traditionally they were a thing on its own, that required about as much space as a toilet and all the extra pipework associated with it.

  In some European/ Mediterranean countries (I suspect France may have started the trend) this caught on well, and bidets were a must have in most houses that had toilets as part of their main architectural structure. Most people in South America had bidets this way, it’s rare to see a house without at least one bidet, and this comes from the culture inherited from colonial times .

  Now, things are different in othe parts of the world. England seems to traditionally have the toilet separate from the house and for some reason the bidet trend never caught on. This is in turn reflected both in USA and Australia. I don’t know about bidet popularity across all of Europe, but this is definitely a cultural thing and I suspect distance and language may have kept UK without bidets until relatively recently. And as you know, old habits die hard, so… Yeah in Australia I use the shower.

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  • Rescuer6394@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    in Italy, there is literally a law obligating houses to have a bidet. the separated from the toilet kind.

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    • Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just another reason to like Italy even more.

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    • JoshuaACasey@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      not surprised that Italy (who has a history of fascism and from what I heard currently has a fascist leader) has an authoritarian law requiring that people do things in their own homes (kinda like some HOAs in the US. Although, I have to admit, we must have lucked out with a HOA that’s not one of the shitty ones you always hear about)

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    • Oyster_Lust@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That would never fly in the US. They complain about water usage so much that they regulate shower heads so that they barely drip water, and toilets so that they don’t have enough water to flush solid waste. The bidet would just blow the regulators’ heads with all the water usage.

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    • chakan2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      the separated from the toilet kind.

      I don’t understand how those work at all…seems like that would be a recipe for poop tracks from the toilet.

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  • rah@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    England seems to traditionally have the toilet separate from the house and for some reason the bidet trend never caught on

    Uh… wut?

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    • NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The UK has lots of old housing stock, built before the concept of indoor plumbing, so there was nowhere to put a toilet in lots of properties when they started to become a thing, hence you’d put it seperate from the house in an outhouse style set-up. We also lost less of the country to warfare during the two wars so didn’t have to rebuild whole cities, so the conversion to move those toilets inside was still going on as we moved to the later half of the 20th century. My old man didn’t have an indoor toilet in his childhood home until he was a teenager, he was born in the late 50s.

      You still go to pubs these days that are old enough that the loos are disconnected from the main building as they’ve been there for so many years.

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    • Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This what I’ve been told- I’ve never been to England, my understanding is that back in the day this was the way especially for suburban and farmland, and that that’s why many old Australian houses still have the toilet separate. Obviously this doesn’t apply to dense or modern areas.

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  • happyhippo@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lol. Out of ALL the European countries to pick as example, you chose the worst.

    France definitely does not like bidets and French will even ask you why even bother having one, assuming they even know what it’s for.

    Try again with Italy. Basically every household has one.

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    • Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Interesting. Well, not losing sleep on that. Good on Italy and Spain though.

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  • DonJefe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Spain checking in here. Bidets are definitely popular in Spain. I suspect that’s how they made their way to south America.

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• aCosmicWave@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The utopian city of Atlantis sunk due to bidet overuse.

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  • DonJefe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They might have sunk the city, but their butts were sparkling clean

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• Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No one understands what a bidet really is.

  In the old days, they were a separate free-standing device. Not a lot of people have space or money to add one of these types of bidets to their bathrooms

  Now they make them as toilet seat attachments that don’t require extra space and really aren’t that expensive.

  But people don’t know. Older people will be like, “Oh a bidet? No I don’t want another toilet like device in my bathroom”

  So that gets rid of all those people.

  Next you have the people that know about the new style bidets that’s just a fancy toilet seat.

  Their biggest deterrent is probably cold water. Spraying cold water on their butt doesn’t appeal to most people.

  You can get bidets that heat the water, but you have to have power behind your toilet, which not everyone has.

  Then you have older people that just can’t work them or don’t feel like they can. Like my grandfather, I installed one with all the bells and whistles for him. Yet hitting a button and doing all that was too complicated. He was 90+ and could barely use a cell phone for basic functions. But he’d rather wipe his butt like he knew than mess with the “complicated” bidet.

  Eventually everyone is going to own a bidet, it really is the way to go.

  We just aren’t there yet.

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  • cubedsteaks@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For me it’s because I have had to suffer from UTI’s before and I don’t want to risk some stream of water blowing bacteria into my vagina and then I gotta pee every five seconds and wait for a damn doctor visit because for some fucking reason UTI meds aren’t over the counter where I live.

    I can buy the UTI “pain reliever” over the counter but it just temporarily fixes the pain, and the UTI of course continues. Pretty fucking pointless.

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    • EssentialCoffee@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, for starters, you don’t pee from your vagina. You could get a yeast infection, yes, but that’s a different issue.

      That said, if your bidet is angled so it’s hitting your vagina or, especially, your urethra, it’s likely not installed correctly or you’re sitting way far back on your toilet.*

      • There are bidets you can get with the option to angle for washing period blood away, but they tell you in the instructions to wash your butt first so that you don’t get bacteria into your vagina, and you also don’t need to use that function either. I never found it super useful myself, so I’d recommend the cheaper version without that function these days.

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    • sheogorath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Weird, in my current country bidet is in widespread usage and I haven’t known anyone getting a UTI from bidet usage.

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    • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You could just find one with low pressure. You don’t need a high power jet.

      Simply soaking your crack with water and wiping is a big help.

      I’ve never heard of your problem, though, so it’s an interesting point. I know some bidets even have intended settings to wash your front as a woman.

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  • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Having used both types, including a water warming seat installed one, I can’t say enough good things about the free standing ones. The toilet seat ones though seem like a waste of time, even if they warm the water.

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  • Magister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Cold water, yeah in winter in Canada your cold water is something like 1°C (33°F), not a pleasant thing

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    • EssentialCoffee@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If the water in your pipes is that cold, you’re likely looking at a burst pipe issue anyway

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    • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Water doesn’t have to be 0°C (32°F) to freeze.

      Depending on your elevation, it can change.

      If the water in your pipes is even close to 1°C you have a serious problem.

      You can also hook a bidet to your hot water line

      The first bit of water will be wall temperature water and it will take a bit to fully warm up because you have to clear out the lines (some bidets will drain the first bit of water before squirting you)

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• AttackBunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There are a large number of Americans that think:

  Anything touching them there makes them gay - still not sure how your hand and TP is any different It will hurt - yeah… IDK It’s gross, or it doesn’t get you clean - uh…wiping some paper on it does? how???

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  • dipshit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Some american men refuse to touch their own penis while washing, due to a fear of it making them gay. I’d tell them they need therapy, but they’d tell me that therapy is for the weak.

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    • AttackBunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure those are the same types that start anti pedophilia groups to then be charged with and convicted of pedophilia. Or the anti gay/drag people who end up being gay AF. Or the ones that try to ban porn, only to have 10tb of porn on their computers when they get fired/breakup/get arrested. But I know what you mean.

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    • BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What a cool country!

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  • Touching_Grass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I know someone who thinks it just sprays shit over everything

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    • AttackBunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I know a lot of people think the same thing. I’ve even seen people say so on here/reddit, on other bidet posts.

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  • VoilaChihuahua@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I only have anecdotes, but as an American, it’s #1. It was my initial off the cuff thought. Buttholes are verboten here. Full stop.

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    • AttackBunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right? It’s really weird though because a lot of those same people talk about eating ass, a LOT.

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  • Tyler_Zoro@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are valid concerns with regard to bidet use. They do result in aerosolized particulates in greater number than results from wiping, which means you are literally breathing more feces.

    Is it enough to be problematic? Probably not, but that may also depend on how aggressively/frequently you use them.

    See also:

    • Ali, Wajid, et al. “Comparing bioaerosol emission after flushing in squat and bidet toilets: Quantitative microbial risk assessment for defecation and hand washing postures.” Building and Environment 221 (2022): 109284.
    • Abney, S. E., et al. “Toilet hygiene—review and research needs.” Journal of Applied Microbiology 131.6 (2021): 2705-2714.

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    • AttackBunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but shit is literally aerosolized any time you flush the toilet. And it’s not contained the bathroom. And it doesn’t matter if the toilet seat is up or down.

      Mythbusters did an episode on exactly that. It is worse than you’d think. I can’t find the actual episode right now, but someone wrote an article about it/the findings.

      The other brushes were placed elsewhere in the home, including the kitchen and even an office on the other end of the building, and all of the other ones were rinsed daily but not used for brushing. At the end of the month-long experiment, the toothbrushes were analyzed by a microbiologist, and they found that every toothbrush had a microscopic amount of fecal matter on them, regardless of the distance from the bathroom. source

      Bidet or not doesn’t matter. Shit is literally all over EVERYTHING. ALL the time.

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  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As an American who’s unsure.

    I don’t like the thought of water spraying into my ass

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    • AttackBunny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It doesn’t spray INTO your ass. I mean, I guess it could, but you’d have to REALLY try to make it happen.

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  • Sprinklebump@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Its really the first one tho.

    Striaght american men will fight you before they will let water spray on their dirty asses.

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• Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think you me question is missing some key words. “Why isn’t the use of the bidet more widespread in the USA and other western countries?”

  I am in Vietnam right now and nearly every bathroom has a bum gun to wash your bits. When I was in Japan nearly every bathroom had bits to wash you built into the toilet seat with digital controls. These are not just in homes and nice places, but also at 7-11, train stations, airports and even hole in the wall places. Wish USA/Canada had this as we all know how much it sucks when out and you have a forever wipe.

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  • ferralcat@monyet.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bum gun >>> bidet

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I find wiping just doesn’t do it for me… I can wipe myself raw and still have itching…

    But a trip to the bidet clears it all up.

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  • ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same as in Thailand, Japan, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan, Iran, China… Yeah it’s most of the world.

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• Wahots@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think the answer is just that most don’t know about them, having grown up in homes without them. They are quite nice though.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They may also be perceived as too expensive, if they only know of full toilet replacement kinds and not the seat replacements you can get for less than $100.

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    • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Cost me half that and I love it. It’s a life changer.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe, but I’d still go with having no idea such things exist. That was me, and the first type I knew about was the seat attachment/replacement

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    • Wahots@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I got a $400 one, and it was the best $400 I’ve ever spent. It’s something I use every day, and damn does it improve my day just a little bit more.

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    • CephaloPOTUS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are dozens of choices that work great for twenty some dollars online here in the US and don’t even replace the seat.

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• xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I suspect it’s a case of “We always did it this way, so it’s the superior way”.

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  • Poopmeister@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This. In my part of the world, Nordics. No one has it, except really old bathrooms that have a separate bowl with o detachable shower head. But I only saw that once in my life. I installed one a year ago and it’s a game changer.

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    • stappern@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      tbf is not ideal for cold as fuck places

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• dipshit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because the tradition of wiping until it’s red is deeply rooted in american toilet culture.

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  • KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have never heard that and it deeply disturbs me because this does seem like it’d be an American thing…

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s a joke. The phrase is “better dead than red” and is an anti-communist phrase.

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    • dipshit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “better red than dead” is a joke - that’s usually a play on political parties or football teams. But what isn’t a joke, something that I’ve heard from american women, is that they’ve dated some american men who:

      • don’t masturbate because touching a penis is gay
      • don’t wash their penis with soap and water, just water, letting the water run down the penis, but not touch it, because you’d be holding a man’s dick in your hands.
      • if they do masturbate, they might just leave their mess on the floor, even if it’s carpet, for years and never clean it. Stains under a computer desk should be treated with a hazmat suit. This is different from the american men who save their mess in jars… I have no comment for that.
      • don’t touch their penis when they pee. that’s what the zipper in the front is for. I mean, doing this in public would mean other men see you with a man’s cock in your hand. That’s … uh you know…
      • don’t get prostate exams (this one may be more self-explainitory, doesn’t make it right though).

      And then they wonder why american men have a mental health crisis. Well, buddy, part of it is you.

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• ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I was overseas and recovering from surgery. I’d never seen a bidet before arriving in Argentina a few days before, so I still wasn’t used to them.

  In any case, I was sitting on this bidet at 3am or something, on painkillers, and recovering from surgery, almost falling asleep while I sit there. I’m leaning forward, and turn the bidet, and it turns out this bidet has a jet of water almost powerful to reach the roof. And because of the angle I was sitting at, I get this jet of high pressure water right on my clit. I’m pretty sure the noise I made woke most of the neighbours!

  That being said, I’d still get one here in Australia if I could :)

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  • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A bidet can find the clit and I can’t? WTF

    /s

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    • Swarfega@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      /s

      You lie

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  • MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I found that discovery to be a highly welcome one personally

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    • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean, maybe in other circumstances, but I was not ready! :)

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  • CephaloPOTUS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can definitely get one in Australia. They are like $30 on the internet delivered right to your house and attach to your toilet in under 5 min.

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    • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those ones aren’t even close to the same. They’re not worth the effort in my experience

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• MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s a matter of planning and availability. In my country people don’t renovate their houses often and even rarely build them from scratch. Having a bidet requires planning and leaving space for it. Japanese style toilet seats are easier to install in smaller toilets, but they require electricity and/or hot water.

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  • JoshuaACasey@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    a toilet that requires electricity is mind-boggling to me

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    • Bo7a@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s a lot of misunderstanding in this thread. Normal bidets that you buy on Amazon just get fitted under the toilet seat and connected to the water line that drives the toilet. There is no electricity wiring or extra .doodads needed

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  • CouncilOfFriends@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve had no issues with the cheap $20-40 USD bidets from Amazon, while I’m sure the fanciness of a heated bidet would change my life I don’t see the need.

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  • evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Washlets don’t require hot water or electricity, though, they can pull right from the toilet water supply

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  • WhipTheLlama@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Japanese style toilet seats

    That’s what most people in the USA mean when they say bidet. They’re bidet toilet seats or washlets.

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• redempt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  toilet paper mafia.

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• kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Most adults in the west don’t even wash their hands after using the bathroom.

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  • khalic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d like to think the pandemics changed that… please don’t burst my bubble

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  • countflacula@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    MOST!?

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• Madex@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Americans voted for him though

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• brockpriv@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I paid for a 250$ bidet toilet seat and i don’t even use it. How is it supposed to work? My stool are soft sometimes, and even with the bidet pressure to the max, it doesn’t fully clean it. I’m left with dripping wet ass covered with shit. Then i need to use toilet paper that’s literally melting from all that water on my ass. As a result i use 3x more toilet paper and my hands gets dirty. Very unpleasant.

  Am i using it wrong?

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• woodcroft@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve read that one reason could be due to prostitution during WWI / WWII.

  Americans saw bidets over in Europe during the war, mainly at brothels, which gave them the idea they were unclean, non-Christian, idk. Maybe if you said you liked bidets then everyone knew you had been to a brothel.

  I didn’t fact check it. Doesn’t really matter - I’m taking a poop right now and I’m about to blast the poop away with my Toto. Eat this pleasant, warm water, turd balls.

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• Loce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Big TP conspiracy :)

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• leprasmurf@lemmy.geekforbes.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  American here. Thanks to woot regularly selling them, I have a bidet on each toilet in the house. I have a battery operated travel bidet, because now I’m hooked.

  It has certainly led to… “Interesting” responses from house guests. There’s always TP in stock, so it’s not required. Butt I’m never going back if I can help it.

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• qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I once read a book where this particular bathroom appliance was very intimately connected with prostitutes throughout history and that association created a big push against having it in every house. It was an interesting read.

  In my country in particular, it became mandatory in every newly built house starting around the 50s and later it became mandatory to have one bidet and one bathtub in every house.

  This was pushed to enforce a notion of hygiene that was lacking, as the country was very poor at the time. Paradoxically, it was easier to have higher standards of hygiene in the country, where access to water was easier and the field labour demanded a minimal cleanliness to be at the table and socially than in the growing cities, where poor living conditions made very difficult for the poor to access running water.

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• Royal_Bitch_Pudding@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My nephews thinks it’s weird/gay.

  They’re good boys, they’re also idiots though.

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• Chickenstalker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It is. Only not in stinky Western countries. Seriously, you stink. Like full diapers. Use bidets. Use it. Now.

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• HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Believe it or not. Homophobia plays a substantial part in it.

  Hell we got men who refuse to wipe at all for fear it makes them gay if anything touches their anus.

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• stinkypoopsalot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In America? Because we are barbarians.

  I kinda think that’s why we are all so pissed an ornery most of the time….because our tushes are dirty.

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• stappern@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  puritanism.

  no other reason.

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• DannyMac@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  IDK because they rock. I love mine. I’m even cool with the water being cold.

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• Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Fellas, is it gay to have a clean butthole

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• sblanziko@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Not gatekeeping, but if you have never seen one, this is a proper bidet upload.wikimedia.org/…/623px-Bidet_weiss.jpg

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• KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I really just don’t like the idea of it, feels like a very uncomfortable situation for me. But I’m pretty uneducated on the topic.

  • It’d have to be warm water
  • Wouldn’t it be messer, spraying it all over?
  • Don’t you still have to wipe, ya know cause your wet now.
  • Too much work to implement when the TP has been successful (No problem to solve)

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• chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because idiots think squirting water on your ass is gay

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• nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  according to south park it’s because of toilet paper companies

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