Ah yes the one demonstration to push a government to the left and organize labor that tankies don’t like acknowledging
Absolutely nothing of note happened in China in June 1989, right?
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captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 1 year ago
But who hasn’t killed their citizens in a simple misunderstanding? Or, if that doesn’t work, America Also Bad! \s
RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social 1 year ago
America Also Bad!
Seems like they usually leave out the "also" because apparently two things can't be bad at the same time. Wouldn't it be great to live in a world where only one thing is bad? I expect it'd be simpler, at least.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I mean, China fucking sucks and is a shit authoritarian statist government but let’s not pretend America hasn’t done similar things.
Ever heard the stories of how we won the right to unions?
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Columbine Mine Massacre
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Ludlow Massacre
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Thibodaux Massacre
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Battle of Blair Mountain
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Herrin Massacre
Hundreds of people killed in total because they were protesting.
originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Those things? Also bad.
Incredible that two things can simultaneously be shit, but it’s true.
shadowspirit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can always rely on there being at least one person “America bad.” Doesn’t change what happened in 1989.
Nacktmull@lemmy.world 1 year ago
but let’s not pretend America hasn’t done similar things.
Only total fools would do so and I see no comments here that would suggest such nonsense …
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HellAwaits@lemm.ee 1 year ago
HexBear and Lemmygrad fangirls heads exploded.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lmao that was my first thought, this comment section should be very interesting
Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Given that they defederated from Lemmy.world (at least Hexbear did, idk about lemmygrad), probably not
bdesk@kbin.social 1 year ago
Bro China is not real, it's just the back of Taiwan.
SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Taiwan numba 1
Thedogspaw@midwest.social 1 year ago
Actually Taiwan is China as in its the actual legitimate government of China not the occupiers in Beijing
lud@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I wouldn’t call the ROG illegitimate since they won the civil war and they are recognised by pretty much every country in the world.
That doesn’t mean I like them more though.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
As of the writing of this comment, 3 tankies have seen this post
WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Wait till you learn about the ideology of one of the lemmy devs…
Hubi@feddit.de 1 year ago
I don’t see any reason to care about that as long as they aren’t forcing their opinions on anyone tbh.
GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Lemmy is open source so it doesn’t matter. Devs come and go.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Oh I know all about that. It’s one of the reasons I enjoy clowning on tankies on lemmy.ml so hard.
Fun fact: the
.mlTLD is officially designated as belonging to Mali; the lemmy devs chose it as an acronym for “Marxist-Leninist”. This caused problems very recently when Mali suddenly re-exerted control of their TLD, where previously they did not take an active hand in its management.I’ll copy the top comment there, because it’s actually kind of important if you’re at all into web infra or self-hosting:
Using ccTLDs when you have no relationship with the country is just asking for trouble. Comes across as naive and unprofessional, although I’ve seen many serious infrastructure built upon .co and .io names.
ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t see why I should care, as long as their not assholes, not breaking their own rules, and not abusing their powers as devs.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Why would I care?
a1_15@lemmy.world 1 year ago
hexbear alt spotted!! this is the most popular comment that those fascits/bigots/neo-terrorists post in any thread that makes salty!
TootSweet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The mods are asleep. Crosspost this to all the lemmy.ml communities.
ndsvw@feddit.de 1 year ago
[deleted]NotSpez@lemm.ee 1 year ago
.ml readers interpretation: Tanks (fighting for democracy) brutally killed students
FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 1 year ago
West Taiwan did some bad shit.
Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
China’s equivalent of Flat Earthers.
Catasaur@lemmy.catasaur.xyz 1 year ago
I wonder what actual Chinese people think, anyone originally from China able to weigh in?
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 year ago
According to my aunt, whose parents fled the Cultural Revolution when she was a teenager:
It’s like if Chinese people kept trying to give you shit about the Kent State massacre and not Vietnam itself.
GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s interesting.
zanzo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
From my conversations with mainland Chinese, they often tout the line that the US was somehow involved, so it was partly an excusable defense of the homeland against dangerously co-opted students. That said, most acknowledge that it was pretty bad. But these are also well-educated Chinese working abroad, so I assume the majority of Chinese don’t know much.
One story I heard retold by an English teacher working in Nanjing that I used to know was about the experience of one of the people involved in the protests…or at least they were an academic in Beijing at the time of the massacre. They were really depressed 20 years later and felt that nobody around them, particularly their students, knew anything.
WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I wasn’t born at the time so I have not 1st hand account. My parents heard about it on the news and they also heard about it from relatives. My parents and grand parents are pro- Communist Party, they didn’t really care about the protests being suppressed, they wanted stability more. But remember, China has a culture of what westerners refer to as “Social Harmony”, and don’t like to “causs troubles”. In 1912, when people were uprising against the Qing Monarchy, most parents would not have wanted their children being revolutionaries either. Same thing when Communists and Nationalists were fighting a civil war. The youth always want change, but no parent would ever want their child getting involved in stuff. They don’t want to lose their childen. This is the same sentiment regarding Tiananmen. Change is risky, causes too much instability. China not being united is what allows foreigners to invade China. (Eg: Eight Nations Alliance invading China, Consessions in China (Chinese land that was occupied by foreign countries), Japanese invasions of China during the midst of Communist-Nationalist Civil war, etc.) Even though the students in Tiananmen called for reforms, not revolution, the Communist leaders feared riots or a violent uprising, so they decided to violently suppress it before it “got out of hand”. Most people in China are probably just glad that it ended without fracturing China, they didn’t care which side won, as long as the country is still stable.
I learned about Tiananment when I was around high school age, many years after immigrating to the US. I left China in 2nd grade, so it’s not surprising I didn’t know about it, I mean most kids don’t get taught history. My older brother told me about it. At first, I just thought: meh, another one of the government’s conflict with the people But that wasn’t the important thing. What was odd to me was that they censored it in China. I mean, in my public school in the US, I was learning about slavery, how George Washington was a slave owner, most founders owned enslaved people. And even after the US Civil War, there’s still racism against black people. And I start learning that stuff around like 3-5th grade. Yet, my older brother who was like 7th grade in China didn’t know about it. So that was really odd to me. Then, I learn about how they put a firewall around the entirety of China’s network. Now the government started to look very shady to me. I mean, at this point, I’m still very Patriotic for China, just starting to suspect wtf kind of shit was going on in the government. Then one day my mother told me about how she has to take a risk to conceive me during the One Child Policy. She was supposed to be sterilized after my older brother was born, but she bribed a government official to fake the certificate of being sterilized. Then also hide that she was pregnant with her second child (the second child being me, obviously). So she went to a nearby city to be less likely to be found. Then I was born in the city hospital. Now that I’m already born, they can’t kill me anymore since somehow forcing a woman to abort her child was okay, but they didn’t want to go as far was actually killing someone who was already born. But my parents still had to pay a fine. Something like tens of thousands of Yuan(¥)/Renminbi. It took years to pay off. (And if you don’t pay it off, they don’t give you your documents, birth certificates, ID, etc. Basically becoming a legally non-existant person, despite actually existing). So that’s my personal grudge against the CCP, I mean who wouldn’t hate an organization that essentially tried to kill you? Idk why my parents still support the CCP to this day. Everytime they spew Pro-CCP propaganda, I’d just say: “So you support the One Child Policy? Should I not have been born?” That usually shuts then up.
I personally view what happened in Tianamen as a tragedy. I mean, they weren’t even threatening to revolt, just wanted to talk some sense into the CCP leaders and start some reforms. The government didn’t need to use tanks to suppress it. Such unnecessary violence.
Authoritarianism and the One Child Policy are both reasons why I oppose the Communist Party of China, although the One Child Policy is much more personal to me. They have since changed it to Two Child Policy, but still wtf is this shit. It’s equivalent to US red states forcing women to give birth. Both are governments dictating the lives of others.
I’m currently a US Citizen, I’m probably not going to visit China any time soon. (Not only because of China, but visiting China can also cause the US government putting you on a list of suspected CCP spies, and I don’t want that to happen.) And right now idk what happens in China, it aint my country anymore.
(Although if China and the US is at war, that’d be terrifying. That shit would cause another Internment camps, this time for people with Chinese Ancestry. Being a US Citizen with Chinese Ancestry is as being stuck in the turbulent oceans between 2 unsafe shores. No safe harbor for people like me. I have to deal with China labling me a traitor, and also the US suspecting CCP spies. What a shitty situation that’d be.)
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Has the 50 cent party found us yet? 🤣
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Non Euclidean Tiananmen spheroid.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 year ago
2d citizens afterwards though
Savvy95@lemmy.world 1 year ago
For those not around when that happened, i remember it this way, after 20 years of booze, weed & hookers:
The student protest was extremely peaceful and organized. There were student delegations that would report up to student representatives, educatio delegation, housing delegation, for example. The representatives were negotiating with Party people. It was unclear at the time if the Party people were indicative of the top brass. But there was a worldwide feeling something good and right might be changing in China. If I recall correctly this went on for weeks, so the implications were setting in.
Then it all changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
What the video & still represent is not 1 man facing a line of tanks. It a culmination of a generation of students frustrated enough but clever enough to find a way to negotiate a change and when the Army came in they knew they failed. The world knew they failed. The question was how badly that failure was. There were a few days when nothing happened after this video. Then it happened all at once. And the rest as they say is History – repression, violence, killing, abductions, lost family members, and rewriting history.
Like the Velvet Revolutions of the Middle East, it was a short time of hope for a better future, for the students & for their nation.
That feeling stays & that feeling is what China wants their populace to forget - and you forget by meming this historic picture without context.
P.S I don’t know if the man was ever found out, but I hope he stays anonymous.
delete013@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are you at least paid to write this emotional propaganda fantasy? Chinese students didn’t give a damn how you felt.
WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 1 year ago
P.S I don’t know if the man was ever found out, but I hope he stays anonymous.
Lol he got taken away by 2 plain-clothed men, and he was never seen again. It is unclear who those 2 men are, but some have speculated they might be working for the Communist Party of China, and that they were detaining the man that stood in front of the tanks.
Also, “Tank Man” is actually on the morning of June 5th, after the protests have already been suppressed the night before.
bouh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So the west is still hunting communists to this day? Easier than fixing climate or providing healthcare I guess.
mashbooq@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Predictable “West bad” comment when criticizing a massacre committed by the CCP
Syrc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Care to explain what was communist in the event except the name of the party that enacted the massacre and maybe some of the people who died?
bouh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wonder why an event that happened almost before I was born is so important to some people here. Why aren’t we showcasing how monstrous Hitler was burning people for racism then? That’s far more fitting to the situation of most western countries that are all leaning on fascism and racism. Some western countries like France are not far from crushing protestors with tanks btw.
But I guess the cold war world of 40 years ago is more comfortable. There was this nice black and white taint where capitalists were the good guys against evil communists. And we must now bring back all the sins of China and USSR to never forget what they did, so can be blind to what’s happening now I guess.
People throwing “tankies” everywhere are worth no more than any Russian troll honestly.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Huh?
vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Shit take is shit.
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Obvious troll is obvious.
bouh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The troll is the OP posting this picture if you ask me.
Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
B-But China is free and good…
MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can we morph the Tiananmen Square into a hyperbolic shape next?
Gork@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Use the Tiananmen Sphere the rebuke to the flat-earthers who insist it is really the Tiananmen Plane?
justastranger@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That’s just a Tiananmen 2d circle with stretching though.
bentsea@lemm.ee 1 year ago
We were all on vacation! In Poland!
SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]kaito@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Crown did nothing wrong :( /s
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delete013@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nothing happened on Tienanmen square, how naive are you all. The British ambassador inventer a tad too detailed horror stories, based on “trusted sources”. In fact, the students protesting killed a PLA soldier but after a talk with the intervention force decided to clear square peacefully. The deaths happened elsewhere but we have almost no information about those. People protested against different things, some were for liberal freedom, some for more communism. We know what told us the Western “objective” press.
InternetTubes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, a censorship state is muuuuch more objective.
Shouldn’t you be checking your banking accounts to see how many are at risk of getting closed off without warning due to defaults from the Evergrande crash?Everything is fine, nothing to see here. - CCP
QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 1 year ago
Me when
When I discover G’MIC
WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Nothing happend at Reddit’s Frontpage on June 12, 2023. The so called “protests” is a hoax invented by the Lemmy devs attempting to discredit our wonderful platform. The “purge of moderators” never happened, not one single moderator was purged. And those who did get purged are violent rioters internet vandals. Reddit is the greatest platform ever, and Lemmy is filled with racists and spammers and ads and evil developers trying censor posts and take away user freedom. Long live CEO Spaz! May his wisdom guide us towards a better future!
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I can’t wait to hear about Spez’s new 5-year plan!
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Based on that one sub he used to mod, he and Mao might have something else in common. At least a Spez 5-year plan only risks causing a content famine.
Thedogspaw@midwest.social 1 year ago
Hexbear thinks spez is based af
kamenlady@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Spez’ thoughts & Wisdom about Musk & Twitter:
nbcnews.com/…/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo…