I feel like back in the day trolling was more of an art where you’d say something stupid to expose someone’s cognitive dissonance.
Now it just refers to people being dicks. Trolling itself has become enshittified.
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Submitted 3 months ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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manicdave@feddit.uk 3 months ago
gex@lemmy.world 3 months ago
In my days trolling used to mean something
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 3 months ago
the best trolls rarely spoke. one of the great troll artists of kongregate forums had only 50 comments yet left a lasting legacy
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 months ago
There is some good bait and people don’t even care and even throw money at those people
But generally, it’s as easy as shit to pick out the bait from real opinion 🎣
adam_y@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think the default comment, even here, is “I disagree”.
Folk have mistaken contraryism for discourse and argument for engagement.
dance_ninja@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Agreed. There are plenty of negative replies, but I sometimes feel the positive replies – like giving thanks – could be something more people could do.
shneancy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
hell yeah! i’ve been trying to embrace that IRL too, telling people when i’m enjoying my time with them, telling them when they have a great outfit, appreciating my friends, expressing gratitude for their friendship, even, though this is the hardest one, admitting when i’m wrong outloud
CPMSP@midwest.social 3 months ago
I’m so happy I was introduced to the 'net in the 90’s - when the mantra was “don’t believe everything you read on the internet.”
It’s too bad that fell out of vogue.
Venator@lemmy.nz 3 months ago
I think that’s still in vogue, just that people don’t belive the wrong parts of the Internet 😅
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No way its in vogue anymore, you clearly didnt experience the 90s
AA5B@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Maybe we’ve just changed what “the internet” is. Surely FaceHuggerBook is not the internet, that’s just a bunch of friends and family. I don’t trust the real internet
lurklurk@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m not sure if you can call them trolls if they’ve sincerely lost their grip on reality, and are a significant voting block.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Kinda ironic considering how many people on here are completely unable to spot satire.
Although Facebook is definitely worse for the amount of idiotic comments being made.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
There’s a fine line between satire and being an idiot but on purpose.
miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Exactly.
Hurt fee-fees and subsequent down doots are bedrocks of lemmy.
miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Q.E.D.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I find it’s less common to find insistent users who refuse to read provided sources, or provide sources of their own, on Lemmy than on Facebook. It happens, but far less frequently than when I last used Facebook in 2015. Although my perspective may be unique to my curated feed.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
I think the smaller communities helps with giving eachother the benefit of the doubt. Like if I’m disagreeing with someone from my own insurance, or another small one I know is generally cool, I’ll try much harder to figure out what their point is.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
The flip side of that is people who think sources can support an illogical argument. Sources: think tank think tank WaPo.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Really nobody in the thread is going to talk about Kremlin disinformation campaigns? That’s absolutely part of it.
hernanca@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Most people think the propaganda has some content they want you to believe, but in reality the propaganda has to just keep us arguing and fighting all day instead of using the magic of the internet for cooperation and personal growth by learning about all kinds of stuff and liberating our minds.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Exactly, digital divide and conquer
AA5B@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m not convinced. I mean of course they’re doing it but it only needs to be tiny nudges here and there and someone will go off the deep end. We give the Kremlin too much credit for our own dysfunction
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It’s resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it’s their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don’t understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.
It’s funny how I reply seriously on this post. It’s like I’m inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.
Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yes, that’s why social media should I.) allow downvoting, ii.) use an algorithm that reduces the prominence of downvoted posts and iii.) actively remove bot accounts that attempt to game the voting system. Most social media do none of these things, and in fact push controversial takes.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
There was a study done (can’t find it anymore) that said to respond once to clarify and then walk away.
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I wish I would be able to do that, but that goes entirely against my autism.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It is definitely victim blaming. Op thinks no one will notice what they are doing.
quixotic120@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Like the mtg and bobert types. Like don’t you fucking say 9/11 don’t you fucking say Jewish space laser.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The trolls have organized, industrialized, and multiplied like cockroaches. They have also changed from a few phbb forum assholes posting to stir shit and bait people to agenda-driven agents of propaganda. They no longer subsist on lols from making people mad, they get paid money or tribal power.
Also, F the victim blaming that, what…? People should sit back and let the trolls have it all? The fault isn’t with the individuals replying, it’s with the service provider that willingly accepts and pushes such activity for profit and engagement.
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Oh come on, don’t feed this troll…
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Lol yeah that’s what I was thinking. This is one of those posts where op thinks no one will notice they are trying to prove a point.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social 3 months ago
Everyone acting like this is a problem with algorithms or whatever. Nah, algorithms have nothing to do with it. Humans are just this stupid and will follow their desire to be “right” even if it leads them off a cliff. I mean, Lemmy loves feeding trolls. No one on Lemmy seems to understand the concept of “block and move on” (not that I’m totally guilt-free, I love feeding trolls for the same reason I love feeding campfires).
No one on Lemmy will just ignore the trolls. Quite honestly, I’m wondering if the Internet should adopt a new strategy: mock the troll-feeders. If you catch someone engaging with a troll, you start making fun of them for feeding it. Make it clear that’s why you’re mocking them. Then maybe they’ll grow a brain and stop feeding them (except intentionally, because that’s honestly kinda fun sometimes).
Phen@lemmy.eco.br 3 months ago
Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we’re seeing is just the continuation of that.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is a good point.
I think “old internet” culture was unsustainable as it scaled up, even without algos fanning the flames.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Its not my fault everyone supports genocide.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 months ago
Ackshully that’s called cyber bullying now
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
It’s because rich powerful people have realised that if you feed the trolls you can get them to do things.
AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Except it’s not their fault. At least, not entirely. Every single fucking centralized social platform tweaks its content algorithm to drive engagement, and they found that the best way was to piss you off. They shove it in your face until you can’t help but say something to fight the unending flow of utter bullshit.
maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Block them or move to another platform. I block everyone on Facebook who feels the need to make negative comments, regardless of whether I expect to encounter them again. Really cleans up the place.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Deleting my Facebook account cleaned it up better for me.
Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
I have to keep my LinkedIn for business reasons but recently I noticed a big uptick in fascist-adjacent posting. At first it depressed me big time but then I started blocking and a couple weeks and dozen blocks later it was over. Turns out a small number of people can really give the impression of a crowd and fuck with the whole experience.
lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 3 months ago
That’s true, though the simple solution is to not be on such platforms. You do not have to let them “shove it in your face until you can’t help it”.
Ashiette@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yet are we not on Lemmy, flooded with posts detailling every little thing that Musk and Trump do?
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Sounds like a lack of emotional maturity.
AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
More like an intense study of how best to exploit human nature for financial gain.
Gutek8134@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Imagine that there’s a paving slab that sticks out right outside of your house, often causing you to fall. If that’s the 50th time you fall over due to this thing, you probably will curse at it, no matter how emotionally mature you are.
Now exchange falling over to being trolled.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 months ago
Not here and you’re still mad bro