Submitted 1 year ago by jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org to [deleted]
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I hate to be a pessimist but if people hate Musk as much as they seem to, but can’t leave twitter,
or post “Fuck Spez” thousands of times, but won’t leave reddit,
I’m cautious about how much of an exodous I expect to see from chrome.
I think its time we face the fact that most people will trade almost anything for convenience.
The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.
The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.
Sure. And here we are. I’m sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I’m not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don’t know. I’m not confident based on what I’ve seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them.
If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either.
You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it.
Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn’t hurt people to stay, I don’t think we’ll see a shift.
Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE’s mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind.
Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king.
You made me proud of myself! I have left all three!
They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens!
I cannot leave Twitter as I never used it.
Browsers at least, unlike social networks, don’t benefit from networking effects. How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.
How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.
Thats a great point and something to consider.
True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences.
I switched to Firefox on windows and android on the same day as I saw that WEI bullshit.
I don’t know why the fuck I was thinking it would be a worse experience… It’s the same thing.
Bro wait till you install Linux.
It’s actually better as a stock experience than windows 11.
Pessimist, but most likely right
Google broke on Firefox for a while a day ago for me. Went to some other search engine.
Jumping from social media is hard.
Jumping from applications is not.
teamspeak became Skype which became discord.
And many of us did leave Reddit. I didn’t even leave because I cared about the protests or what Reddit was doing. I left because many posts were deleted, people left, subreddits became abandoned.
Lemmy became better than Reddit basically overnight.
It is a slow process, most will still use it, but it will be less and less as time passes.
Twitter is a different beast, most of the people you follow on twitter are only active in certain groups.
All we can do is inform them and focus on what we do, no need to be stuck on what others do.
I just switched yesterday after learning more about why I should here in Lemmy.
The last time I tried FF (many years ago) it was incredibly slow, so I went with chrome. But the FF of today is actually noticably quicker.
Yeah being able to import all my stuff from chrome to Firefox was so clutch, now I just have to find a good day to spend getting the rest of my shit out of google’s hands and get this pixel phone to run grapheneOS.
Why should I switch? Just curious.
Privacy and not being part of Google would be the biggest reason.
It also looks kinda nice, in my opinion.
It’s also faster than chrome now I think.
Appart from privacy concerns, Google has started to add some really bad features to Chrome, such as “Manifest V3” and “Web Environment Integrity”. These limit you ability to block ads or generally modify the websites you’re visiting, and are just a bad for the web as a whole. But as long as the majority of people keep using Chrome they can just force these things onto everyone.
I tried FF earlier this year. It sucked. Everything just took extra clicks. The password manager was a pain and didn’t interact with my phone apps properly.
I know the complaints against chrome. When it starts forcing me to watch ads I might try FF again.
Hey, at least installing a foss browser won’t slow down your phone like a spyware app, you could always try something like Mull even for only a portion of your browsing if you have ~80MB to spare. I suggest it because I hate some of that extra bullshit that comes with standard Firefox. Also there’s tons of projects that try similar stuff with Chromium! Like Mulch. Way better defaults than Chrome
The Android FF is not a great user experience for sure. On desktop it’s just fine but Android is janky. I tolerate anyway to support Firefox but chrome is miles better on mobile.
Depending on which Chromebook it is, you can always install the Linux container and install it in there
My friggin’ Chromebook (which works great) can’t install FF.
I’ve tried rooting into Ubuntu, but, I can’t get it all straightened out. Until I notice truly diminished issues… I’ll use Chromebook as is.
You have 3 options:
Firefox Mobile is great, Being able to add extensions is just wonderful.
Honestly I cant live without UBlock Origin after using it for so long. The modern web is so horrible with ads
The available extensions are limited, but tampermonkey gives you access to lots of custom extension opportunities, I use it to make Twitter bearable.
They just announced that all extensions will be available for Firefox Mobile by the end of the year.
Showing people that they can avoid ads by switching from chromium might make more people use adblockers.
I get flabbergasted whenever I talk to someone and realize they’re unaware that such things exist. I hope all (according to the google store entry for ublock origin) 10,000,000 of the ublock origin users switches from chromium based browsers to, say, firefox…
Feels like chromium is the new internet explorer…
I know a lot of Chrome users, and the general story I get from them is nearly always the same infuriating bullshit along these lines:
“So, I tried the like, Fox Fire thingy, but this one time, like, it took, like, 1.5 seconds to load, so it’s “””“”“”““slow””“”“”“”" so I just use Chrome 'cause it’s, like, faster and stuff."
Yeah, and I suppose the 427 useless things you have running in your system tray right now don’t have anything to do with your computer being “slow,” right?
Wouldn’t those 427 things make chrome slow too
Or worse, “Why should I switch to Firefox? Everybody’s complaining about the performance of Firefox compared to Chrome, but Chrome just works for me.”
Blissfully unaware of the kind of power you’re giving Google over the Internet by using their browser. I once had an experience where someone tried to use this to push me back to using Chrome.
Fox Fire thingy
Oh god, I’m having Vietnam flashbacks
That’s why Google is trying to launch the “Web Integrity API” that will essentially allow them to mandate any website accessible to or using Google Services to ban browsers that have ad blockers.
To me it looks like a tech savy kind of hurdle, once people learn about it and start thinkering they start to use it also.
Better for us when people start caring for what they tolerate from corps.
You wish that was happening.
I’m preparing to be completely unsurprised that Firefox’s market share will still be at 3% next month and the month after that.
If that 3% is made up of an outsized share of power users they might be ok. I’m more worried about the power structure shenanigans that have been going on the past few years.
As a user of Linux and primarily FOSS software for 2 years, each time I recommended something FOSS, others had bad luck.
Each of the above examples involve completely different people, by the way.
You’re right and it’s that sort of stuff that people like you and me will deal with and figure out and move on but unfortunately it’s not the case with regular people. That’s why I never recommend that sorry if stuff to ‘normies’ ie. My mom. Instead I set them up with the lesser of evils that will give them convenience and make them more likely to trust me in the future. That way, if I ever REALLY need them to move on from something they will be more likely to just listen to me and not fight me about it. I just got a couple of friends to switch over to Firefox even though they were chrome fans, all because I have years of goodwill. Ported their bookmarks and got them ublock and they barely even notice a difference.
Awesome, baby steps.
Shit breaks, but we keep trying and see what works!
Keep the fight going, peace!
One day my friend, one day I will make a Linux convert
A few years back when Firefox went through the whole "Quantum" update, I jumped and never looked back. It's just better in every way, in my opinion.
I use it on my laptop, but it’s crap on my phone. My phone is pretty old now, I use opera. I know, no one likes opera, but I’ve used it that long now I find it difficult to jump across. I tried again recently, but it’s still too slow.
What’s the advantage for google of doing this move? People “savy” enough to install an adblock (or even know that it exists) is most likely to switch to a competitor that allows for adblocking
Majority will keep using, for a while, until years later more see what has happened and move.
Mean while profits on marketing go up.
Google has gone to absolute shit. Unless you let them stick their hand down your pants and fondle you, you can’t even use their search engine with out getting hit with a captcha so they can use browser fingerprinting to track you. We were all hearded into the slaughter house and it they are just now just now starting up the kill machines.
Mhm, I see that point, although I find it concerning given that the quality of the UX platforms like youtube has kept a consistent decline over the past decade. It feels like google keeps amassing more and more reasons for people to enable adblockers but I also understand youtube needs to be a profitable business and at some point you need to show ads
It won’t be a change no one notices though. Even non-savvy people who use ad-blockers are obviously going to notice that the internet suddenly became a significantly terrible experience.
The way things are going with data collection and advertising, the EU is bound to put heavy restrictions on it, basically killing the market Google is built on. They are trying to find a middle ground between banning data collection and full on everything being collected you do online, and if ad blockers just happen to die in the crossfire, it’s not Google’s concern.
I believe it’s a two-pronged attack.
They have the Trust API changes they are trying to push, which I believe they may try to make websites only support browsers using that API. They have a largest user base already so they have some sway, if Chrome won’t load your webpage, you business might be dead.
Couple that with their anti ad blocking extension, users have to use Chrome to access webpages and can’t block ads on those pages.
Mildly tinfoil-hatty, but I think within the realm of possibility.
Never left. Never would leave. Chrome was always a trap.
Oh, nice.
I have for a long time been on Firefox. It’s stable and works great.
Long time Firefox user over here too (2016) 🤟
Nice!
In the old days I used Firefox exclusively, until my work started only supporting chrome so I kinda went with it and switched. Out of habit I continued until a couple of years ago, that I went full Firefox again and I remembered why I loved it.
First time? :)
Google: Not this time
unleashes web integrity API
Google and every other corporation that wants to be your Daddy or your slave master can go fuck off and die. Personally I have been done for a while now, when Google shit all over the world by buying YouTube then making everyone sign in to Google plus to use, it was it for me, I have never actually signed in to YouTube since, and have tried to avoid giving Google any traffic to this day.
I think we don’t have a choice anymore but to start making a new society built from scratch for the people. We can start by using the vast amount of tools and resources built by corporations to enslave us against the same corporations doing the enslaving.
I don’t know if the human population can actually collectively do what’s necessary to save themselves or more then likely their children from a life of permanent servitude these corporations want.
But why not give it a try, it’s better then realizing you were a feckless idiot that did absolutely nothing while you’re waiting for a corporation to cut off your life support because you’re no longer profitable.
Politicians will allow corporations to enslave everyone but that magical 1%, they’re not vary bright, they don’t study history, all they study is fleecing the public, when the shit finally hits the fan the leaders these politicians make will hang them first.
And if some corporation don’t like what I’m saying, come at me bitch, I’ve got curable cancer, I’ve been told I got ten years left, so have fun then die (I’m on a Tennessee Republican Death Panel right now.) So lets see how much “fun” I can make for corporations in ten years.
Even if Firefox couldnt block ads just like chrome, I still would prefer it. So much nicer in every way.
Seriously. I’ll be a redditor here, but that’s my “migrate-to-another service moment”. If I’m not able to whitelist the sites that provide a reasonable ad experience and block ads on those that dont, then I’m moving to a different browser and password saving environment.
This is downright funny. Best way to lose your market share, simply put. I’ve used Googles family of products for around 13 years.
First they ruin Photos, then Google Workspace (12€/month drive price to almost 100€), and now the browser.
Soon it’s back to gmail and everything else non-google. And I suppose that’s a good thing.
I started using Firefox as my browser at work because I hate trying to use profiles and I’m a convert! It’s really great!
If we take the majority of internet users, in that 99% doesn’t care about ad blocking. They are not even aware of extensions and stuff. And most people in that category are not going to notice these changes at all as most of them are chrome users.
Some firefox fans will go to any extent to praise firefox by lying about chrome. One thing is that firefox is faster than chrome. My potato pc with 2gb ram and pentium dual core is able to run chrome (without ad blocking) faster than firefox. Page loading etc is faster even with ads in chrome. Same in my work pc with i5 11th gen and 16gb ram. Other chrome browsers like vivaldi and brave are even faster.
But do I care about a few seconds of lag in firefox?. No. I use firefox because of extensions and ad block integration. Not because of its speed. I also use chrome for banking websites etc for a smoother experience. Firefox has some more to do to get a smoother experience.
So I use adblockers, my wife does not. Regardless of the ads, we both switched from Chrome to Firefox this year solely due to the memory usage.
The moment Firefox gets native vertical tabs with drag and drop grouping, I’m making the switch. But, as it stands, the vertical tabs in Edge are irreplaceable and not a single of the “workarounds” to make them possible in Firefox feel good at all.
I need drag and drop tab grouping and vertical tabs. That’s it.
Edge also just introduced workspaces which feels like something I’m going to love once I get the time to mess with them.
I want to leave Edge because I want to be done with Chromium in general, but Firefox feels too behind the times for me.
and then there’s lynx
So I switched to Firefox for privacy reasons but fuck if it isn’t buggy as hell on my old phone. I’m keeping it, but it’s a huge reduction in usability compared to Chrome.
I don't see how getting rid of ad blocking would help Google. The people that know tech enough to always install Adblock first thing when installing a browser will just jump to the next browser.
And the people that don't know tech enough to do that wouldn't have used Adblock either way.
They're losing out on a much larger userbase (People that know tech) in the hopes of keeping the subset of that userbase that knows their way around tech but doesn't care if adblock is installed or not and making them 'pay' by watching ads.
That would at least be my opinion if that's what's actually happening, because I personally didn't gaf about these news until now and I only read the text from the meme. And quite honestly, I'll continue not giving af in the future.
Am I the only one who gets annoyed at these fantasy memes?
At best it represents the meme equivalent to news sensationalism headlines. Rustles my jimmies.
Like when YouTube introduced ads and everyone moved to Vimeo?
I recommend a DNS-based ad blocker like NextDNS. Works on everything, everywhere!
Literally me. Planning on switching to Firefox after work today.
whileloop@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google’s influence over internet standards.
amnesiacrobat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
big_slap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
they’ve lived long enough to become the bad guys
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.
Fpsfrank85@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good
balderdash9@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features
Hobbes@startrek.website 1 year ago
Three CEO also donated to Prop 8 in California and a number of other bigoted conservative things.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is your hourly reminder that default Firefox isn’t that great for privacy thus librewolf exist
AndrewZen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
i seriously need those downvotes explained. it looks good to me.
sci@feddit.nl 1 year ago
also this: nytimes.com/…/brave-brendan-eich-covid-19.html
Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Cool. If me choosing Brave over FF contributes to the demise of the useless, cash-grab scam which Mozilla is, I’ll happily continue using Brave.