Seriously, what the f*** is keeping Donald Trump in this presidential race?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨BadmanDan@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Kamala Harris running a damn near flawless campaign, with just a month 1/2 of campaigning. She’s been holding rallies nonstop with Tim Walz & not making her talking points about her race or gender like Hillary. She’s offering expanded healthcare, reinvestments back into public housing, wants to take on corporate greed, protect reproductive rights and chose a pro labor, pro education running mate.

Yet, she’s either barely leading or ties in most polls with a guy that:

Is a convicted felon.

Liable Sexual Predator.

Gets sentenced in November.

Has several more pending cases.

Increased Drone Strikes by 300%. (Joe Biden dosent use drones anymore).

Illegally killed an Iranian General unprovoked with a missle strike.

Increased tensions in Israel/Palestine with the Abraham Accords.

Wants war with Mexico (his words).

Tried to coup Venezuela.

Will bend the knee for Netanyahu’s potential war with Iran.

Lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% (lowest in history).

Obvious tax cuts for the rich.

Told people to drink bleach during the pandemic.

Is the main driving force for America’s current division.

Constantly attacks marginalized groups.

Tried to steal the 2020 election (Find Me 11,000 votes in GA).

Did Fake Elector Slates to pressure Mike Pence to not certify the 2020 election.

Caused a riot on the capitol that lead to his OWN supporters dying.

Just got washed by Harris in the last debate, was completely unprepared on anything but immigration (“I have concepts of a plan”).

And so much more. So seriously what is it? Is it just the attraction to bigotry/racism? Is it to end “wokeness”. Is it because Kamala is a woman of color? You can’t use the both sides argument like Hilary or Biden, Kamala is the obvious better choice. Could you imagine if Kamala had as much baggage as Trump? The media would lose their minds.

Seriously, how the f*** is this guy still in the race?

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MapleEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
If he doesn’t win he goes to prison, possibly for the rest of his life.

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- exanime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  He’ll never see the inside of a cell
  
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  - EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    America will never put an ex-president in jail.
    
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  - Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I didn’t know if you meant it that way, but my sleepy brain read it like a threat
    
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  - MapleEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    If not he will spend the rest of his life in court trying to avoid prison.
    
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- Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  That should have happened to him a long time ago.
  
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Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Trump could be rolled out drooling and leaking brain fluid from his ears and 40% of voters will fully go behind him cause he’s a republican. And the “undecided” voters will somehow see it as a strength. By the way, anyone still claiming to be undecided on Donald Trump in 2024 is full of shit

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- BadmanDan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I guess, Trump himself said he could kill someone and they’d still vote for him.
  
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Mr_Blott@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Know how yous get upset when people say “Americans are stupid”

Literally a third of you have demonstrated that you’d eat gravel if someone said it’d cure immigrants

A third. So lets just say only half of the other two thirds are stupid

That’s quite a few. Almost a quarter pounder

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Do you mean a Royale with Cheese?
  
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  - Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I think they mean that 2/3 is close to but still not quite as big as 1/4 since 4 is bigger than 2 or 3.
    
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astanix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Brainwashing most simply.

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JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Is there any possible way you’d ever vote Republican? If not remember that there are people like that on the opposite side. You’re always going to have single issue voters. A huge example is anti abortion advocates voting Republican. If someone genuinely believes abortion is murdering a baby they aren’t going to care how good a candidate looks in a debate.

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Chocrates@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Why is he still in the race or why are his supporters?

For him I think it’s obvious. Narcissism and the fact that he has a lot of federal crimes in the courts that he can stop when he is elected.

His supporters are more complicated. He pretty decently still owns the GOP so even if they are getting cold feet, they don’t seem to have a plan to overthrow him. I feel like they are planning on just stonewalling for 4 more years and then try to win the next one and cut the checks to the billionaires then.

I got nothing on his base though. I haven’t understood them for 10 years now. Not sure I ever will.

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- DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Part of the checks cut get reinvested in the propaganda that gets more checks cut. It’s a whole corrupt system, as attested to by this list of think tanks backing someone like a Jordan Peterson:
  
  reddit.com/…/jordan_peterson_and_the_think_tanks/
  
  …you can research most rightwing media and personalities and make lists and connections (some if Trump’s for instance run through Roy Cohn, the original red scare and the mafia for instance).
  
  It’s likely the same for some leftwing individuals to. It’s the reproduction of this culture, and the economic loops that perpetuate the toxicities of the current systems.
  
  …and it will keep going long after Trump is gone.
  
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  - AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I’m not buying it this time around. Sure, that was the explanation for 2016, and I’m sure a bunch of people who thought like that got done good laughs. But surely they could see what happened. Surely they lived through the following four years.
    
    Surely they saw our liberal outrage was directed at how easily they were manipulated into making their own lives worse? Surely they saw further divisiveness as “liberal elites” just shook their heads in sadness. Surely they see those same cities they wanted to wreck are doing better than ever while they’re stuck with the consequences of their votes?
    
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Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Judging by some of my distant acquaintances it’s something along the lines of HURR DURR GASOLINE WAS CHEAPER 8 YEARS AGO. They focus on a global commodity of all things.

Seriously, the only stuff I’ve seen from them that even approaches a policy comparison rather than “lol black lady is a ho” caliber stuff revolves around money. And some of that might actually be a valid discussion if it were correct and if it weren’t for the absurd amount of other issues.

It’s just a low-information team sport, regardless of how insane reality is.

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- GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  But that doesn’t keep him in the race. What keeps him in the race is mostly the electoral college but also the first past the post voting. Trump wouldn’t have a shot at winning if the electoral college didn’t skew the value of individual votes and first past the post effectively limits the amount of candidates you can have.
  
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  - Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    That’s true, but I would amend it to say that the EC and our stupid FPTP system, plus the bias of the senate, are what’s keeping the entire Republican Party relevant.
    
    The rabid and mean stupidity is what is keeping Donald Trump in particular in the race. The establishment might actually like to get rid of him and get back to “money good, human well being bad” like God intended, but they could not get away with it yet.
    
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Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
If you can believe it, Trump supporters will accept the Ohio immigrant pet eating story as true.

Somehow media is pitching the “moderate position” as halfway between anywhere within the normal range of political positions and the crazy positions.

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stinerman@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
“Donald Trump makes me, a white christian, feel like I’m important.”

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HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
The GOP’s desperation for relevancy in a world where literally every problem can be blamed on Republicans

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Juigi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Whole two party system, we vs them sport mentality has fucked their brains up.

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- Cataath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  There’s this quote from Chomsky about how spectator sports plays into propaganda because it trains people to think in terms of aligning themselves with a group of people that they they don’t know or have any meaningful connections to, while vilifying the other groups and their supporters who are just like they are. When the team that they are only connected to in their minds win, they win. This is the mindset that gets working class people to obey the orders of plutocrats to go kill working class people just themselves.
  
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Johnnyvibrant@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I would look into the “polls” and how realistic they actually are and who has paid for them.

Also don’t forget that the media has great interest in trump since he creates so much news with his bullshit. Newspapers don’t sell with headlines like “politician does something normal and expected”.

Fuck the mainstream media, they will love a trump administration and its utter depravity.

Best thing I’ve heard all week is Swift siding with Harris. If the young actually vote, whatever this form of the Republican Party is will be dead.

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RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% (lowest in history).

Obvious tax cuts for the rich.

That’s all his financiers hear.

Constantly attacks marginalized groups.

That’s all his voters hear.

Everything else goes in one ear and out the other, muddied up with enough “whataboutism” and “both sides” rhetoric from the financiers to keep the voters form actually considering alternative options.

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Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Amerikkkans.

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DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
probably the same drive that will make him a candidate in the 2028 election.

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- BadmanDan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  lol
  
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leftist_lawyer@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Polls are unreliable and the press will always make it “horse race” because not to do so means foregoing revenue.

Nearly all the major media outlets are owned by people who have said they’ll vote Trump.
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Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’s easy. They don’t believe Harris will do any of the things she has said, and they don’t believe trump has done any of the things you’ve said. Additionally, some of them don’t like the things Harris is saying she’ll do, even though they’re positive things to you.

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KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
the only reasonable answer, is literally fascism and a deluded right wing in america.

See my previous comment on another thread for additional context if you please.

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nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Welcome to the post truth era. Nothing matters except the way it makes you feel. Ignorance is strength and rage is fuel. If it feels good it’s true, if it challenges your paradigm, it’s fake news.

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GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Because his voters don’t believe any of the points you make about him. Trump is able to dismiss any criticism of him as “fake news.” You can make any legitimate point about him and they will never believe it.

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- Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  The guy is a convicted felon, and I’ve seen a shockingly high number of people wearing t-shirts outright acknowledging that fact.
  
  For the upper tier of the socioeconomic scale, they only care about money and power which we had shifted in that direction. For the lower half, he continues to convince them all their problems are because of minorities, immigrants, women, poor, or any other marginalized group
  
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Letme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Half of America wants a fascist state, unfortunately.

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- Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  only about a third that want one but another third would rather argue with you about whether it is or isn’t actually fascism.
  
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EdvinYazbekinstein@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
There’s a lot of reasons people have already mentioned, but I’ll add this.

Your applying logic and reasoning to people who are illogical and unreasonable…

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circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
At one time it would have sounded like a conspiracy theory, but you don’t get here without a massive disinformation campaign.

Trump’s supporters have been so programmed to accept everything he says at face value or, in some cases, just to ignore what he actually said in favor of the party’s updated spin. In all cases, they believe it is impossible that he could do any wrong, so any semblance of incongruity or poor leadership or any negative aspect of Trump at all must be due to lies of his opponents – even if that means the entire system would have to be rigged against him to an extremely unlikely degree.

The last time the world saw these tactics used to such an extreme extent and with such success required a widespread campaign of so-called “denazification” after a very prolonged war.

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- DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  The left have been asleep at the wheel since 2014 (this is the smaller of the two problems), and centrist neoliberals will not wake up because they’re inculcated into the systems that keep them asleep at the wheel (this is the larger of the two problems, and likely includes establishment leftists like Kamala).
  
  It’s the problems of “the one dimensional man” where we can’t even think outside of the systems we know to be the problem… and most people don’t even make any serious efforts to try to.
  
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MetaCubed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
We Taught This Chimpanzee to Understand the American Political System and He Hanged Himself

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Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’s as if this nation has deep internal divisions following a badly wrapped up civil war that have metastasized into irreconcilable worldviews.

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vermyndax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I dunno man. I got nothing. I don’t understand it either.

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regdog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Spite is a powerful motivator. Both for Trump himself, and also for his supporters.

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Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’s a race between junk food vs. an actual meal. Junk food is easy and self indulgent, real food requires time and effort. It doesn’t matter that junk food is a terrible value and lacks any nutrition. The Trump people choose junk, conservatives choose Trump people because the Trump people are mathematically mandatory to maintain their caste.

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It’s actually hilarious that you choose this comparison because I am always seeing disgustingly obese conservatives making fun of other people for being fat, but then clutching their pearls when anyone calls them fat.
  
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madjo@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Hatred for anything not Republican by MAGA and their brainwashed followers. That’s what’s keeping Donald T. still in the race.

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TechSquidTV@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Lead. Like the metal

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