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lowleveldata@programming.dev âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Thereâs a real gravity to that statement and it definitely adds up.
eldain@feddit.nl âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Because they are students? Both are high demand professions, I donât get it.
sir_pronoun@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I guess that the commentor meant that those kinds of thoughts donât get you jobs, and doesnât know how easy it is to get a job with a degree in either of those fields. Same for the upvoters.
Zwiebel@feddit.org âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Calling a made up construct âthe absolute truthâ is hilarious
MBM@lemmings.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
The way I see it, axioms and notation are made up but everything that follows is absolute truth
luciole@beehaw.org âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Iâd say if your axioms donât hold you would go far in your quest for truth.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Axioms can be demonstrated. They donât have to be purely theoretical.
Mass and Energy are axiomatic to the study of physics, for instance. The periodic table is axiomatic to understanding chemistry. You can establish something as self-evident thatâs also demonstrably true.
One could argue that mathematics is less a physical thing than a language to describe a thing. But once you have that shared language, you can factually guarantee certain fundamental ideas. The idea of an empty set is demonstrable, for instance. You can even demonstrate the idea of infinity, assuming youâre not existing in a closed system.
You can posit axioms that donât fit reality, too. And you can build up features of this hypothetical space that diverge from our own. But then you can demonstrate why those axioms canât apply to this space and agree as such with whomever youâre trying to convey ideas.
When we talk about âabsolute truthâ, weâre talking about a point of universal rational consensus. Mathematics is a language that helps us extend subjective observation into objective conclusion. Thatâs what makes it a useful tool in scientific inquiry.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
The test to know if anything is an absolute truth is if it is called an absolute truth. If it is called an absolute truth, then it isnât an absolute truth. If it isnât called an absolute truth, then it isnât an absolute truth. Absolute truths donât exist. If someone tells you something is an absolute truth, stop listening to them.
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
You could say itâs an absolute truth that absolute truths do not exist.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
What about my Sith friend?
samus12345@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Theyâre made up constructs that reflect the absolute truth when applied correctly (from his perspective).
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Well, it depends on your definition of truth and it could be the absolute truth by definition. A theorem is absolutely true in the same way that âa bachelor is an unmarried manâ is categorically true.
barsoap@lemm.ee âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
âThis line on the map is perpendicular to this other line on the mapâ is not a statement about the territory.
i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I was about to say âincompleteness theoremâ!
Srh@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
That just means we canât know everything about the system. Not that it is not true.
barsoap@lemm.ee âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Thatâs computer science alongside with Church/Turing. Maths could have tried to claim it but they doubled down on formalism so they donât deserve it.
That said though incompleteness follows from nothing but logical implication itself so itâs more fundamental than physics (try to imagine a physics without cause and effect) and philosophy (find me a philosopher who wasnât asleep during their logic lectures).
Srh@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Math ainât made up. Math is discovered.
WldFyre@lemm.ee âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I donât think thatâs a settled debate IIRC
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Math is a tool!
IndiBrony@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Your a tool!
â€ïž
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
âŠ
youâre*
(Iâm sorry T_T)
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Only on my dadâs side!
propter_hog@hexbear.net âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
turtlepower@lemm.ee âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Tool is a math?
Carrolade@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Specifically, a language. It moves information from one place to another. It can reveal new information too, but thatâs more of a useful side effect imo.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I do see where youâre going but I would consider language a tool for communication.
luciole@beehaw.org âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Therefore mathematicians are tools? QED or whatever
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
They are tool specialist by career. As for themselves, that is an individual assessment.
azi@mander.xyz âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Not as something we have access to but yeah!
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Computer science, we you both of your tools to solve problems. And make an electronic canary aka AI
Shou@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
The progams we use at work, are downright magical. Yo computer dude, how can a computer be inconsistent?
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
UHHHHHHH the little men inside take a coffee break :D *Windows 95 blue BSOD ensues *
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
If someone needs another existental crisis hereâs a prompt:
- Is math universal or is it a system of thought invented by humans and it only makes sense to us?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
All I know is that
1 = 0.9999âŠ
JackbyDev@programming.dev âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
1 = 9/9, yeah
rovingnothing29@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Then how can it be Truth at all?
CodexArcanum@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Models. Humans hold models of the world in their minds, math helps you understand and create more complex and consistent models. You always exist in a simulation of your own construction to make sense of the universe.
My feeling is that no model can ever fully capture a complete description of reality, the information isnât compressible to such a degree that approximations or abstractions can be lossless.
Most of what we consider to be invention is merely combinatoric novelty.
Kwiila@slrpnk.net âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
How we express math is particular to us, though itâd be commonly decipherable. Math is more and more globally standardized as more of it gets globally acknowledged as âthe most usefulâ way to do math. E.g. place holder 0 vs Roman Numerals. Ratios are conceptually universal to any species that bothers measuring. Quantification maybe less so. Especially if their comprehension of advanced sciences/engineering is somehow intuitive instead of formally calculated. // If a space faring species has a concept of proportions/ratios, but not individual identity of numbers, presenting Meters as a portion of the speed of light might be a universal way discern the rest of our math. Water as Liters might be more accessible, depending on how they think of water. // Sets and Axioms are purely conceptually representative and so viable as long as theyâre capable of symbolic abstraction at all.
pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Universal. How else would you calculate or solve equations?
galoisghost@aussie.zone âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Like our ancestors with goat entrails and a magic talking stick.
Artyom@lemm.ee âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Good thing physicists solved that problem already; if everything is made up and can only be observed through our preconceived notions and thereâs no way to prove a world beyond them, then it doesnât matter. The universe we can observe is reality and everything beyond that is beyond meaningful definition and is therefore useless, which is how we define âphilosophyâ.
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Math is not an invention. Itâs a discovery.
JackbyDev@programming.dev âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Math is definitely universal. The math behind things in science wouldnât suddenly change on different alien planets. Take things like V = IR. That relies on multiplication and division. Itâs gonna be the same on other planets. The units, notation, etc. will be different but the concepts would be the same.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Iâm no STEM major, so I may be way off, but this is how I see it.
V = IR isnât math. Itâs a way of defining the relationship and outcome of two specific physical qualities. It says that we combine the resistance of a medium Âź with the current flowing through it (I) into another joint quality we call voltage (V). We do this because it makes our understanding of the physical world easier to manage since this relationship has helpful applications.
Math is simply patterns in the relationships of quantities. It excludes any physical units or qualities. In other words, math is the art of counting.
Hardy@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Bruh⊠then imagine how hard a philosopherâs world would be likeâŠ
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I donât understand this meme format. Are the speech bubbles the texts received or the texts sent? It looks like theyâre typing, so could be both.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I assumed the bubbles are the texts sent, but I could see the argument for the other side too.
peyotecosmico@programming.dev âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Engineering has enter the chat: hold upâŠ
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Relevant xkcd as always
Image xkcd.com/435/
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
It is legitimately cool when a bunch of mathematicians get together in a room and say âLook at all the cool shapes and patterns we made,â then show it to a physicist who goes all frantic and starts shouting âOMG! I understand how stuff works!â
Soleos@lemmy.world âš2â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Gotta love how the more âAppliedâ a field is, the more âImpureâ it is.