Comment on what is north?

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Weddell sea is good, mentioning Antarctica is good, the word “North” is meaningless in this context which is what the OP is laughing about.

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  • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It should probably say, “off the Antarctic coast”, or even “X kilometers off the Antarctic coast”.

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• SloganLessons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Or - bear with me here - it’s just a funny detail and people are laughing about it. Because any sea near antarctica is obviously going to be north of it

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  • LotrOrc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just looking at that map seems to show the Ross sea to the south

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    • meliaesc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sir do you know how globes work?

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      • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think he’s probably trolling us, because he’s doubling down on it elsewhere in the thread in face of all the people explaining it to him. Nobody is that dumb.

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      • KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I see you’ve bought into the globey lie of a round earth.

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    • SloganLessons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Uh?

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    • ardrak@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Probably the author made this exact mistake

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    • TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nothing is more South than the south pole. Everything is north of it. The map is looking directly at the “bottom” of the earth.

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• jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It is still valid to point out that “north of Antartica” is a silly phrase in context, even though it’s fine given the more specific Weddell Sea information. If you did want to help readers know the story based on a more well-known landmark, a less silly phrase would have been simply been “Weddell Sea, near Antarctica”.

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  • blackbrook@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d go with “the Antarctic’s Weddell Sea”.

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• dmention7@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  While you’re not wrong, you’re also massively over-analyzing and "WELL AKSHULLY"ing what appears to be a silly one-liner, not a serious attempted dunk on the article.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I am not going to apologize for having humor standards above that of a middle schooler.

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    • dmention7@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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• Tja@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nope. You could as well say: Mediterranean Sea, north of Antarctica.

  I have two dollars, less than infinity.

  The temperature is pleasant, higher than absolute zero.

  Doesn’t add anything. There are no seas south of Antarctica.

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  • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It adds something, it specifies the nearest location, if we assume the basic sanity of the sentence. Mediterranean Sea, north of Antarctica would be insane thing to say. Mediterranean Sea, north of Africa however is a proper signifier.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is there any Mediterranean Sea south of Africa?

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      • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you don’t know where Mediterranean Sea is, saying it’s south of Africa is a useful thing. Regardless of how many Mediterranean Seas there are.

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  • LotrOrc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The map he linked literally shows the Ross sea south of Antarctica.

    Also since its earth is spherical and its near the south pole you can really go any direction and find a sea… that just becomes a matter of perspective.

    In this case, specifically, the wedell sea is to the north of the continent

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    • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tthat’s not south of Antarctica though. It’s below, in terms of the map’s perspective, but “absolute south” is the middle of the picture. Anywhere outside Antarctica is north of Antarctica.

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    • piccolo@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Let me guess, you think earth is flat cause maps are flat.

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      • LotrOrc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Tell me you didnt read my comment without telling me

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m not sure you understand what south means. It’s not “on the bottom of a map”, it’s “towards the south pole”. The south pole is in the middle of the linked map. On Antarctica.

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      • LotrOrc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yes i get that

        But we also live on an oblong sphere, which is 3 dimensional

        The axes of north and south, east and west, are two dimensional

        If you have a ship that can sail through anything, with infinite provisions, and you sail past the south pole, you will end up going north. That doesnt suddenly discount the fact that up until a certain point, you were going south. If the sea is immediately around the island, which it is, and is on the opposite side of the exact point of the axis, i wouldnt call that a misnomer.

        When you are in that area you’re essentially sailing south until you’re sailing north. If we came at it from the other side it would likely be called something different.

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    • Squorlple@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The perspective of a map does not change how the cardinal directions relate to each other. You may be confused about how in slang, “south” may mean below and “north” may mean “above”, but that slang usage does not apply with geography where these terms are rigidly defined. The South Pole is categorically the southernmost point* — there is no location more south than the South Pole. The South Pole is located within Antarctica; ergo, there is no location more south than Antarctica.

      *it’s beside the point to distinguish between the Magnetic South Pole and the True South Pole for this discussion but I figured I’d mention it

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• xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  show me which part of Weddell Sea isn’t North of Antarctica

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  • bitchkat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It looks like some parts are south, east or west of parts of Antarctica. Sure, it’s all north of the south pole but that isn’t the question.

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    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      right, but everything in the world except for Antarctica is North of Antarctica… including all of Weddell Sea

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      • bitchkat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No. There are parts of Antarctica that are north of the sea. That is, you can be in Alaska and travel south and hit the sea. It really depends on where the two points are.

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    • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Which part is south of Antarctica?

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• p3n@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The Weddell Sea, north of Antarctica, brought to you by the department of redundancy department.

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• frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You’re not wrong, you’re just insufferable.

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  • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, op IS wrong. The “complaint” isn’t arguing grammar, it’s explicitly pointing out that there’s a very unhelpful couple of words in the sentence.

    The sentence “I live north of Antarctica” gives you basically zero information but is perfectly grammatically correct.

    The line may as well have been “The weddel sea, which is made of water,…”

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• SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would snarkily, rhetorically, ask if people are even taught how to diagram out a sentence structure anymore, but I already know the answer is ‘not really, no’, because the average adult American literacy level is that of a 6th grader.

  I agree with your overall statement. Just wanted to point out that there are a lot more people than Americans out there.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yup, by naming Wedell, they located it quite well; there are 13 small named seas completely encircling Antarctica. By naming any of them, you can reasonably locate (to any point that matters to dear reader) the wreck

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  • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sure, if you happen to already know where the Wedell Sea is or if you look it up it you can reasonably locate it, in which case adding the “north of Antarctica” part is superfluous. But if you don’t already know where the Wedell Sea is, adding in the “north of Antarctica” part doesn’t actually narrow it down any, which is why it’s a funny thing to point out.

    If they had wrote “just north of Antarctica” or “off the coast of Antarctica” or “near Antarctica”, that would have narrowed it down significantly.

    Now that I have thoroughly explained the joke, I imagine it’s much funnier now.

    I’m sure that “Mark “Three-Jabs” Newton” and the rest of us who found this funny were able to deduce from the context that is actually what the writer meant . That isn’t what they actually wrote though so “sp3ctr4l” is not only incorrect in asserting that Mark has “poor reading comprehension”, he is also wrong that ‘reading the whole thing’ would have clarified things and was extremely condescending about his incorrect statement at the same time, which makes him kind of an ass imo.

    He was correct that Mark was “intentionally being a little shit” so 1 out of 3 wouldn’t have been so bad if he weren’t such a douche about it at the same time.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s much funnier now

      Nah, It was rather self-explanatory, I believe most of us read it is more of a pedantic thing than a joke. Sadly, explaining the pedantic thing at length reinforced that substantially. :)

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• Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You better believe I’m here for this squabbling

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• JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Could you enlighten me, then? How on earth does “north of Antarctica” modifiy or add to “the Weddell Sea” in any way, shape, or form?

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  • andyspam@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Endurance has been found, 3000 metres beneath the Weddell Sea, [which is]north of Antarctica.

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    • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m wondering if you fail to realize that the entirety of the antarctic coast is “north of Antarctica” which makes the description a virtually useless modifier.

      Nothing wrong with the grammar, just the logic.

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    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It seems they forgot to mention it was on earth. They really should have indicated it was within the solar system too. No mention of being located in the Milky Way galaxy or the known universe either.

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah that popped out to me immediately. I looked up the Weddell Sea and as your shared map shows, it’s a big but well identified area. It’s not like they said it’s in the Pacific Ocean or some shit.

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• QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A 6th grader’s literacy level means they can write a book report.

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• Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Prime “AKSHUALLY” moment.

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