Dave Chappelle had the option to live a quiet, wealthy, incredibly comfortable life as essentially the lord of a small Ohio city. He would have been, at the very least, a name that comes up in greatest of all time comedian discussions. Instead he chose this. Dumbass.
Dave Chappelle’s Obsession With Mocking Trans People Continues in New Netflix Special ‘The Dreamer’: ‘I Love Punching Down’
Submitted 11 months ago by Klaatu@lemmy.world to moviesandtv@lemm.ee
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/dave-chappelle-the-dreamer-netflix-trans-jokes-1235852073/
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grte@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Squizzy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He’s a landlord looking to lock up that patch for himself, he’s not a humble farmer either he’s a cover to cover wanker.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah but he was extremely popular there. These days, yellow springs is a bit embarrassed of him.
protist@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Remember Chappelle’s short standup after George Floyd was murdered where he was incredibly outraged and emotional? Now he’s aligning himself with people who think George Floyd deserved getting murdered. Chappelle is an ignorant tool
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
It’s incredible how being rich has separated him from the racial struggle he has highlighted throughout his career.
Like even if privately he thought trans people are a joke, old Chappellee might’ve seen trans persecution for what it is: kindling for the fire to burn away the rights of other minorities.
But he is rich now. He feels safe enough that invalidating the experience of other people would never lead to the invalidation of his own, and even if he does, he can escape with his wealth.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Igniting racial flames is loved by the people in power. But it’s touching that class issue that transcends race where the problem lies. Because we far outnumber the rich. We forget that when we’re only looking at the skin color of everyone else in our class.
520@kbin.social 11 months ago
Let him. Let him find out that the far right have their own, stricter limitations on what they consider acceptable for comedy.
We don't have to forgive him for mocking trans people after he's fucked around and found out.
ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He’s in for a hell of a surprise, because he thinks he’s in the club.
And I say that with the most love and someone that’s watched all but the latest special.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I saw its, first 30 minutes are lazy jokes about trans people and disabled people in wheel chairs.
The ending with the story about being a dreamer and how life can change you. Mainly in the style of a TED talk, then doing a flip calling lil nas X super gay dreamer joke.
Curtain closes.
That’s the special
fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I haven’t watchedany l comedian’s special in 5 years because even then they were shitty bad take ted talks. Good to see that hasn’t changed.
stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You know, they always say the loudest people have the most to hide.
Take a look at Alex Jones lmfao.
wellee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ugh, I discontinued/stopped supporting Netflix when they first started releasing this kind of rhetoric. Sad to see I made the right call :(
Pratai@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
He’s found his target audience. Bigots with money.
steve_floof@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Cancelled my Netflix today
Elocomanzo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Lol
Coreidan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This dude is lame. None of this stuff offends me. It’s not like I haven’t heard these types of jokes before. It’s just unimaginative. It’s like he’s trying to take the easy route trying to pick off low hanging fruit, but the issue is the jokes aren’t even funny. It’s just lame.
His problem is he isn’t putting any effort into his comedy. He reminds me of the dumb kid in class who is desperate for attention so they spout off dumb shit in attempt to gain a few laughs, but it instead just comes off as idiotic instead of genuinely funny.
theodewere@kbin.social 11 months ago
all cowards love punching down.. it's what they live for.. their hands go all clammy when they see someone bigger.. so they try their best to ingratiate themselves to the big, scary people.. lick their boots, that kind of thing..
tegs_terry@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Moreover, all assholes love punching.
theodewere@kbin.social 11 months ago
satirists punch at powerful people all the time.. the powerful people generally think satirists are all assholes..
DessertStorms@kbin.social 11 months ago
Imagine being such a greedy and wilfully ignorant motherfucker that you don't only, as a member of a marginalised group, openly punch down at other marginalised people, but going full mask off and admitting that you'll be targeting the next group because we're even more vulnerable.
What a pathetic bootlicking shitstain.
njm1314@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Washed up and out of material
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 11 months ago
One think that my peers on the left does that embarasses the fuck out of me is when they try to cancel art and artist without knowing anything about it. I never pay any attention to stories like this ever since that stupidassed Roger Waters “OMG NAZI IMAGERY!!” bullshit because anyone who knows anything about The Wall knows goddamn good and well that it isnt a fucking pro-Nazi part of the story and is in fact the exact opposite.
money_loo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just going through your comment history and you may be the worst self described liberal I’ve ever seen.
Please, tell me more of these cancellations of art perpetuated by “us” liberals my friend.
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Reddit detective
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You know that this is exactly what the thread is about, right?
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I dont claim to be a liberal. Liberals are art cancelers.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 11 months ago
Lmfao, that's a lot of words to say you're a transphobic ableist, centrist-at-best, status quo enabling, piece of shit...
pope@c0tt0n.world 11 months ago
Roger Waters is such a nazi he sent his father there to fight them in world war 2. Such a nazi he let his dad die fighting them. What a nazi.Facebones@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Ah yes the canceled Dave Chappelle crying about being canceled to a sold out stadium in a Netflix special
So lib much cancel
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Of course he’s gonna keep doing it, it keeps his big, egotistic head in the news. Without being an irredeemable fuck he’d fade away.
cryptosporidium140@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“Controversial entertainer makes yet another thing you would probably hate. Discuss.”
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
I remember when I liked him.
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
At first I misread and thought “I Love Punching Down” was the name of the new special.
markr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Uh, it is?
elgordio@kbin.social 11 months ago
It’s not. The ‘special’ is called “The dreamer”. The “punching down” comes from this part of the article.
He then said he was going to transition to joking about “handicapped” people instead because “they’re not as organized as the gays. And I love punching down.”
What a prat.
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
No, it’s The Dreamer. The article says the title then puts a quote from the special after the colon.
Elocomanzo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
😂 😂 😂 😂 I’m sorry but I love Dave. He’s the best.
halferect@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Chappelle always sucked at stand up.
metallic_substance@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]halferect@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s just your opinion, I liked his sketches but his stand up never really made me laugh.
Elocomanzo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is that the reason all the other comedians look up to him?
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think the more you make a topic a sacred cow, the more ripe it is for comedy. I don’t actually find Dave Chapelle funny, but that’s a separate issue.
realcaseyrollins 11 months ago
If the rest of his routine was as funny and direct as his opening joke I can see why so many people got mad, I heard that he made fun of everybody during the show.
Steveanonymous@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Remember when he was funny?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At the risk of saying something negative - no.
I watched the last one twice just to be sure there was subtext and it was pretty astounding the disconnect between article writers, commenters, and the actual comedy.
Did he say “I’m team terf”? He did. Yeah he did say that and that was fucked up. Agreed. (In whatever way context could be added, he was discussing the idea that one specific set of internal organs was currently capable of gestating a human. He said the terfs were saying that and he agreed with them on that point but he also discussed NC’s bathroom bill and talked at length about how it’s a bad law. He also defended trans rights at some length. But the “Dave hates trans” article writers don’t include those points)
But the other 99.99% of the special was objectively pro-trans. Including “All trans people deserve love and respect”. The main point is you can’t get what he’s doing from text. Standup has a bunch of moving parts: voice, inflection, setup, arc, theme, silliness, parody, jokes-within-jokes, and many other aspects that aren’t available in a text-only format like a comment or an article.
It seemed to me that he was making several really good points about being in a marginalized, oppressed minority, and the way the larger society talks about it. He used language to do that that wasn’t straight-on, direct, and clear because he’s a comedian who tells jokes and so his way of doing it is building an elaborate framework around a topic or topics, and by talking about them he’s getting across a larger message. It’s densely layered discussion underneath simple stories. He’s really good at it, fwiw, but that’s often immediately ignored and intentionally misrepresented to light him up for whatever the author wants to project.
I’m just saying if you watch his specials with an open mind, he’s not anti-trans at all. And whenever it gets down to it, the people accusing him of it haven’t understood his show; often they haven’t watched it at all.
Now Ricky Gervais? Fuck. That guy’s seriously anti-trans, ignorant and malicious, and putting Chappelle in with him is just wrong. Thank you for coming to my TEDx talk.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 11 months ago
Imagine jumping to the defence of this guy 🤯🤮
Soulg@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re the exact person they’re talking about when they say you’re completely ignoring all nuance just to be offended
Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Haha it’s actually pretty good!
That is a great punchline. He’s not saying that he - Dave Chapelle loves punching down. He’s saying: “I am a bigot said John.”
You need to grow up.
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Did you watch him say that or just read it and imagine his tone?
6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
What’s interesting is that I can’t even take this comment at face value, without further context. Is this a well-thought observation from the POV of a trans person who is intimately aware of their struggle in a broader context? Does this commenter understand the nature of comedy, or more specifically, Dave Chappelle, more deeply than I do? Can I add my opinion to this heated subject being a CIS male who is also a minority? Does any of the aforementioned even matter?
What I can say is that I’ve liked certain parts of his comedy. When it hits it’s incredible. When it doesn’t I feel like I’m watching 80s Eddie Murphy again.
While I believe that anyone and anything is fair game in comedy, I don’t believe that how he’s done it towards trans people has been in pursuit of comedy. In his previous specials it came across as shallow othering without the nuance that comes from actually seeing the subject as human. There’s no payoff.
It just reminds me of my upbringing where gay (and queer) bashing for the sake of itself was normal. At this point in my life I’d rather continue distancing myself from that stuff than try to read between the lines.
ersatz@infosec.pub 11 months ago
How do you interpret this joke from his new show?
Because the only way I can read it is that he’s saying trans people are inauthentic and fake, that they are pretending to be something they aren’t. But maybe we just aren’t as clever as you are and don’t understand it. Right? Or maybe you just don’t want to admit your favorite comic is a piece of shit.
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
So, to be clear, you never actually wanted anyone to try and explain their interpretation of the bit?
cryptosporidium140@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I agree. Anyone who says Dave hates trans people might as well also say that people who make horror movies are serial killers
roflcoptah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Dave fell off. I’ll always remember his older stuff fondly, but his “comeback” stuff is boring.
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Well put, far better than if I had tried. I do wish he wasn’t using his platform this way but I can’t help but feel it’s misrepresented. I watched the first part of this special for context and a lot is lost just reading the plain text without his delivery.
If you think he shouldn’t be joking about it at all then that fine, but I think anything can be joked about and he’s trying way better than anyone else making jokes on the topic.
And I hesitated to express that because I truly to do think I’m a good ally and I definitely want to be.
gardylou@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m not offended, and don’t care if he makes lowest common denominator trans jokes. I just don’t find the reactionary shtick to be funny.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Apologist gonna apologize.
DrDominate@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No one will agree with you even though you’re right.
BmeBenji@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I think I agree*
*with a caveat. I watched his previous special as well to understand what people were saying. What Chappelle said in that special would not be problematic if said to a smaller audience. But a stand-up special to large audience, recorded to be put on Netlfix is not the stage to say where he said what he said: where it can be taken out of context easily and used in support of anti-trans arguments.
Maybe I’ve been looking in the wrong places but I have not seen nearly enough discussion of the idea that it’s okay to say things that are iffy in confined spaces, especially for the sake of discussion. The relationship between gender and biology, and then the relationship between biology and society, and then the relationship between gender and society are extremely complex concepts around which open discussion should be not just allowed, but encouraged. However, that encouragement should be limited to conversations with a limited audience, not ones broadcast to an untold number of people. Broadcast messaging should not reinforce harmful stereotypes and echo negative statements about people, especially marginalized people.