Languages have rules and follow predictable patterns. French:

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• Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I know you’re not speaking English while complaining about irregular grammar in other languages, I just know.

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  • PlaidBaron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My illogical language is better because I speak it.

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    • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      la sola klera lingvo estas Esperanto

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Big complaints from someone with a language where the connection between the written text and its pronunciation can only be described as rather weak.

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  • Impound4017@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well yeah, but one of the big reasons for that is actually the French. See: The Norman Conquest.

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    • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nope, the biggest problem is the vowel shift, but that is a complicated topic. Read “Why Q needs U” for details. Thanks to RobWords for that book recommendation!

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    • some_random_nick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They deserve each other.

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  • PlaidBaron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t no watt your talking about.

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  • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    English is a wreck of three other languages but at least we escaped gendered nouns and adjectives. That’s got to be the most pointless language feature of all time.

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    • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Even in English, nouns have gender, even though the articles don’t show it.

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• BluePea@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Cut cut cut… WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ENGLISH !?

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  • MrMobius@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I concur

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    • Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The /u:/ ones are nearly all French words and to put gouda there is just wrong

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• flango@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The change is due to the gender Le manteau (masculine “le”) La veste (feminine “la”)

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  • balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think it’s more about how this doesn’t follow the usual rule for adjective agreement. By that rule it would be le manteau blanc / la veste blance, but that sounds weird so “blanche” it is.

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    • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That's essentially it. It's a general rule that adjectives ending in -c turn into either -che or -cque.

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• Sordid_Seraphim@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  On an unrelated topic the letter “C” exists as a testament to the depravity of man

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  • HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can’t just leave us with that.

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    • Sordid_Seraphim@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am right now!

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• AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Italian: many body parts are male gendered in singular, like arm: “braccio” and use the relative article; so “the arm” is “il braccio”. However, to make the plural, you use the female gendered SINGULAR version of the word and the female plural article. So “the arms” become “le braccia”. But that only works for some body parts, as others work differently!

  Eg: with foot and feet, we use the normal rule: foot (piede) is male so uses the male singular article (il piede). And feet (piedi) remains male and uses the male plural article (i piedi). However, hand (mano) is considered a female gendered word (although it ends with -o which generally means it’s male gendered) and uses female articles.

  Also: we don’t talk about accents.

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    we don’t talk about accents

    The hell we don’t, I was visiting a friend in Firenze and they were constantly bullying me over my “perchè”

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  • tired_n_bored@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ma braccia non è singolare femminile di braccio. È solo il plurale che diventa femminile come “le carceri”

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    • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lo so, ma è “singolare” nel senso che la maggior parte dei sostantivi italiani finiti in -a o in -o sono singolari. Quando uno impara la lingua venendo da altre, risulta abbastanza confusionario perche una delle prime cose che si capiscono è che in base alla vocale con la cui finisce il sostantivo o l’aggettivo, si può evincere se questo è singolare, plurale, maschile o femminile ma con le parti del corpo questo non si applica.

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• pseudo@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That regular. This lesson is just written by someone who barely know french.

  The regular feminin form , for adjectif ended in -c in the masculin form is to end either in -che [ʃ] or [k] .

  Blan-c / blan-che Se-c / se-che Fran-c / fran-che

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• SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sir the title is in English the most irregular language known to mankind

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• Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some punk knocks down the Tower of Babel and now we gotta deal with shit like this

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• Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ehm… this is super common

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  • PlaidBaron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ok but hear me out. What if colours just had one word instead of two?

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    • Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is the same word

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• red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Languages have made-up rules by people trying to bring some order into the chaos that actual languages are. The only point of languages is to bring some point across. As long as the receiver understands what the sender was trying to say, it worked. No matter how “wrong” someone else might find it. All the crap about grammar and spelling is like >90% classism.

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• Dequei@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Blanc i/y Blanca

  French is not that special.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think the point here is that the feminine form of blanc is blanche, ending in -che which is irregular. If it were regular it would be blance, but it’s not because blance sounds stupid.

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• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We actually have this in English too. For example, the masculine form is “the white coat” where the feminine is “the eggshell coat”.

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  • HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No.

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    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m sorry I made a joke on the shitpost page. It will happen again.

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• Lauchmelder@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Literally no natural language is perfectly regular

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• Hlodwig@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bruh its like spanish with -a or -o suffixes…

  In french you just add -e at the end (like brun/brune), in this case you have to add an h cause blance is ugly, so its blanche, and every word ending with a c is the same (sec/sèche for example). Pretty normal…

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• daggermoon@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  French is shitty Latin.

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  • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Gauls were so spiteful of Caesar that they intentionally made it shitty to spite Rome

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Polish enters the room…

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  • bhamlin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Znowu się zaczyna…

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• olafurp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Next topic: When and when not to pronounce a consonant as schwa /ə/.

  Spoiler: It depends

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh yes. The good old vowel shift, and the many faces of e.

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• AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its counter intuitive but a certain amount of irregularity helps languages. By far the easiest rated languages are isolating and lightly inflecting langauges, and from my experience this is even true if your native language is agglutinative. What a lot of these “easy” languages have in common is that theyre not inherently regular, they have irregular word endings and totally arbritary ways of constructing sentences in a way to convey meaning. On the other hand you have of course the languages that are just so irregular that theres no vibe you can go off of like in romance languages(theyre extremely easy to learn if you move to place where theyre spoken) like navajo. Many words go from “i mean that “s” or “a” fits there” to “why is the word form changing completely in this one specific case”, on other words you loose all grounding. But i believe the reason a lot of people struggle with highly synthetic languages is the exact opposite, you have to specify everything in the right way or your sentence wont make sense. In highly irregular languages any piece of a sentence could be very important to the meaning, in a highly regular language every piece of the sentence is important to the meaning and right in the middle are languages that mostly follow rules but not always. Also in very regular languages its often not possible to make the reductions which humans love to do. You might have to specify a piece of information over and over in different ways without it leading to the sentence being more understandable. Idk these are my two cents as a definitely native speaker of hungarian and kinda sorta native english speaker.

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• ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You guys have it easy. In my native tongue every verb changes depending on noun’s gender, tense, while nouns change depending on - I shit you not - how much cute it is.

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  • aspirate2959@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m fascinated. Can I ask which language?

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    • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, it’s Polish.

      Example, verbs:

      “I was” in Polish - byłem (male) byłam (female) byłom (neither, not really in use, but technically correct).

      Example, nouns:

      “A cat” - kot (male), kotka (female). “Kitty” - kotek (male), koteczka (female).

      Then depending on cuteness informal obligatory rule gradient is:

      koteczek (male) koteczka (female), kitek (too cute for gender), kituś (much too cute for gender), kituniek (cuteness, love and sugar overload, gender does not exists in the universe, you are one with god).

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• Chivera@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Don’t think! Memorize!

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• HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is why Lojban is the best language.

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• PlaidBaron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  ‘I am mechanic who plays a soccer’.

  Yes, very cool France. Thank you.

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• dismay3915@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  French is ass

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• sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Too bad there’s not malpractice but for cops

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• Noodle07@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The rules on colors in french are impossible to memorize I swear

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• SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  thats why i hate languages. they have like 500 rules, and then break them half of the time and you just have to know when that is the case

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