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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨cm0002@toast.ooo⁩ to ⁨memes@sopuli.xyz⁩

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  • Bubs12@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Top comment from the last time this was posted pointed out how the image is cropped on the left. We are most definitely looking at rows 11-14 and there are numbers above that are not being shown.

    I just want them to remove the god awful copilot button that showed up in the corner on top of cells in my spreadsheet with no way to move or hide it. It’s not even on the ribbon anymore where I can ignore it. Fuckin’ pricks.

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    • bus_factor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s a lot simpler than that. =COPILOT() can only see cells provided in the second parameter, and the user didn’t provide one. It’s just giving you what a typical answer to “compute the sum of the numbers above” is.

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      • smeenz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        In other words, they may as well have given it “make up a number”

        … though with all the hallucinations, it would probably return elephant intermittently

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  • BennyInc@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Storytime. I tried to use copilot to get some rather convoluted dataset analyzed in Excel. Not a huge task, but basically I wanted it to count me the occurrences of certain values, grouped by that value. Of course that’s easy with Pivot, and there’s probably also some formula for that, but it wasn’t very urgent, so I figured I’d see what Copilot could do. Now of course I didn’t want to use that =COPILOT() formula, but instead asked Copilot to create me a formula to correctly count how often each value occurs. So it created this multiple lines long formula, which from first glance seemed plausible (though way overcomplicated). I asked it to insert this into cell F13. „Of course“, it said — and then proceeded to do nothing. Confronted with this, it tried again, and failed. After some asking why it didn’t just go that, it told me that this is not possible in Excel in Mac. I’d have to use the web version of Excel. WTF? Why doesn’t the fully featured version do this? Well, of course: Microsoft doesn’t like Apple too much. So I tried copy pasting the formula and failed. Some syntax error cropped up. I asked Copilot about this, and it came back with a typical „oh sorry, my bad, here is the correct formula“ and the same formula again. Of course this failed. And since I didn’t want to debug this stupid thing (the error message of course also didn’t give any indication what exactly could be wrong), I just created a Pivot and got my result in seconds.

    Now this is only one of many experiences I had when trying to really use that 365 Copilot for anything useful. Maybe I should write a book about it. And then ask Copilot to write a book about it and put this into the epilogue.

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    • PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I remember my final task before getting laid off from Coinbase was to use Copilot to write unit tests for a 70k-line Kubernetes deployer written in golang. Without fail, it would regularly give me unit tests checking whether .onclick() was working for a given function…in a Kubernetes deployer. I tried to report that to management and they told me that I was using it wrong and fired me.

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      • discocactus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Upvote for the username. Also better luck in your future endeavors.

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      • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Wow. I wish your story was more surprising.

        It boggles my mind that people trust Coinbase with their money.

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  • bus_factor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It pains me to defend an AI feature, but this whole tweet is disingenuous and stupid. The documentation for =COPILOT() says a few things which are relevant to understand what we’re seeing here:

    • You’re not supposed to use it for math
    • It only has access to the parts of the spreadsheet you pass it as the second argument

    In this case the user has not provided copilot any cells to look at, do it’s jus asking what the typical answer on the Internet is for the question “sum the numbers above”. And the sum of numbers above things are apparently often 12.

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    • PineRune@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Keep in mind that if you allow a user to make this mistake, people will DEFINITELY make this mistake. A lot.

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      • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        And if that’s true, just imagine something any more compex, that could get lost amid the rest of the slop for a long time

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      • bus_factor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That is true for a lot of things, particularly every AI feature ever.

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      • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Dont you just tell the AI to make no mistakes

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    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      … You aren’t supposed to use it for math… In excel? What is the point?

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      • bus_factor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        People do all sorts of weird non-math stuff in Excel. The stated use-case for this feature is stuff that operates on text. Say for example you fill column A with quotes from your customers about your product. Then you can tell Copilot to provide a summary of each row in column B, and whether the sentiment is positive or negative in column C. You could aggregate the results as well.

        There are better tools for that sort of thing, but a lot of people really love their Excel hammer, and they see nails everywhere.

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    • hayvan@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Big part of the problem with AI features is that way too many people believe they are silver bullet for everything and they are marketed like that.

      Computer savvy people know better ways of doing math and can figure out that context is needed.

      Overwhelming majority of people, including bosses and managers, are too lazy and ignorant to care about the points you mention.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        This is true for every field: people knowledgeable in that field know that there are better ways to do it then AI and easily spot the errors AI makes. AI only looks good in fields you are ignorant about.

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    • Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      If it’s “not supposed to be used for math” then it should pop a modal that says “I don’t do math”.

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    • sqw@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      if you’re not supposed to use it for math, maybe it shouldn’t produce numbers/formulas.

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  • Avicenna@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    1+2=12 12+3=15

    seems legit

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    • spizzat2@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Also, working upward, 3+2=5, “1”+5=“15”.

      I wonder which “inspired” path it chose.

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    • Toneswirly@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Shouldnt it be 123 then

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      • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        A single digit is a char but two digits are a string and can be transformed into an integer

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      • Avicenna@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        no 1 and 2 are strings 3 is an integer m’okay?

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    • Ashiette@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      So it’s JavaScript. Noted…

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  • smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It obviously added “A+1+2+3” and got 15 after looking up the typical value of A.

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    • crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      And it was still wrong

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    • vrek@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Assuming you are right, according to ascii A is 65 so it should be 71…

      Im honestly struggling to figure out how it got 15. Yes I know it’s just a fancy text prediction engine. Yes it doesn’t think, it just calculates what is the most likely string to follow the previous one. But seriously 1+2+3 equaling 15 makes no sense… Wait holy shit… I got it

      2+3 = 5 1 = 1

      Now instead of adding them, imagine they are strings and concatenate them together (str) “1”+(str) “5” = “15”

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      • bus_factor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        It didn’t consider any of the numbers, because the user didn’t provide the context argument to the function.

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      • zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Or A can be 10 in hexadecimal, but that wouldn’t fit either.

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      • smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        How many gigawatts did it take for you to figure that out?

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    • MakingWork@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The typical value of A is 9, according to copilot.

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      • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Off by 1. Not too bad.

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    • relativelyrobin@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      When they called the function, they didn’t specify any cells. The copilot function, like any other Excel function, cannot see cells that aren’t given to it.

      The second argument is blank, so it just Gave a typical answer to a sum question.

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  • AvocadoCumToast@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Thumbs up the bad and the good, with about 10% thumbs down randomly. Poison their data set.

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  • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    If people stopped trying to make it something it’s not and built it as a proper tool, this is one of the few things AI is good for. It can proccess data quite well, or could. Because of all that’s being shoved in the hallucinations are getting worse, but I’ve been able to use it to proccess data sets with very specific instructions. Saved me hours of tedious work.

    But a way to organize and proccess data faster isn’t exciting for investors so

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  • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    How is this easier than just typing in sum(a1:a3)??

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    • glibg10b@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yeah, the “skill barrier”

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    • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Bc this way gives profits to AI…

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  • homes@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Whenever I’m feeling suicidal, I remind myself that I have never had to use Excel

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