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"Public deserves to know”: Harvard Professor says official messaging contradicts hantavirus science
Submitted 3 weeks ago by givesomefucks@lemmy.world to videos@lemmy.world
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schwim@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They got away with bullshit that didn’t work but made people feel safe last time because with proper medical treatment COVID mortality was like 0.1%.
Andes has a 40.0% mortality rate with proper medical care…
400x as many deaths as COVID if we end up with the same number of infected…
And from what we’re seeing, this newest Andes variant is a shit ton more transmissible than even normal Andes. So if it takes off, it’ll overload hospitals faster and for longer.
Like, last time they essentially used “thoughts and prayers” and most people got by off chance. If they do that again, we’re all fucked
Like even in this video, the guy is operating under the assumption governments will realize the difference in time and start handling it appropriately…
But there is zero logical reasons to think that, they’re not going to take rational and logical steps at any point, especially in America where trump and RFK Jr are in charge.
They’re gonna ignore the problem and hope it just goes away. And I honestly hope it works, I just think we shouldn’t leave it to chance
lost_faith@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Maybe those of us peons that survive will get the same benefit the survivors of the black death got, then again probably not. I remember our federal medical officer saying so convincingly that covid (corona) would not mutate very fast, I sat staring at my pc looking at that line for about 5 mins wondering in what world that virus didn’t mutate fast, which of course it did
Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Like even in this video, the guy is operating under the assumption governments will realize the difference in time and start handling it appropriately…
Not with the current government. They may start to act when members of their circles start to drop like flies, though.
I hope that Biontec are already at work on this one…
lemmylommy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Don’t forget the crucial lightbulb up the ass.
irq0@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Mine keep breaking, can you suggest any strong brands?
a4ng3l@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I just read this Ars article that points out it’s the Andes variant. The author is a doctor of Microbiology and seems pretty nonplussed about the virus
a4ng3l@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not knowledgeable enough to assess it myself but indeed WHO / OMS doesn’t seems that plussed about it. They just apply sound precautions. Though as far as I remember from COVID back then they were nonplussed as well until if was way too late.
So let’s wait and see and hope those precautions will be enough.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Im not even sure what he’s reading in the US. Everything I’ve been reading in the US is saying the same things, calling out the strain and how it can spread person to person.
Initial reporting did have some caveats before they were certain it was the Andes strain, but that makes sense when the initial news was breaking.
Nomad@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
OP, don’t panic. Evidence shows human too human transmission is rare, and although this is not 100% conclusive, there is no airborn transmission so nowhere near corona spread is expected. It can mutate though, so if our American friends volunteer their country as an incubator again, we certainly should close your borders. ;)
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
None of what you just said is accurate for the Andes variant, which is the entire point of the video you didn’t watch or any of the comments you didn’t read…
Nomad@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
That is exactly right for the Andes variant. Please calm down there panic.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
None of what you just said is accurate for the Andes variant
But it is.
There is poor evidence andes spreads person-to-person.
Here’s a recent meta analysis summary you won’ t read.
And here is the conclusions, from 22 studies, not one from some quack looking to be famous.
Results: Twenty-two studies met the inclusion criteria. Meta-analysis was not possible due to heterogeneity. With the exception of 1 prospective cohort study of ANDV in Chile with serious risk of bias, evidence from comparative studies (strongest level of evidence available) does not support human-to-human transmission of hantavirus infection. Noncomparative studies with a critical risk of bias suggest that human-to-human transmission of ANDV may be possible.
Conclusions: The balance of the evidence does not support the claim of human-to-human transmission of ANDV. Well-designed cohort and case-control studies that control for co-exposure to rodents are needed to inform public health recommendations.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Well maybe it will kill off enough powerful people early on that something can be done about it.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Send in RFK jr. for a photo op to reassure us it’s no big deal.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Given the way that man has lived his life it wouldn’t surprise me if he was actually immune somehow, and that would just make matters worse
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
November is right around the corner but I kinda don’t want to lose this opportunity….
BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I get that you are joking, but for that to happen hundreds of millions of people are going to die. Is that what you want?
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If it’s only Trump voters affected, I’m okay with that
akwd169@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Jfc the alarmist bullshit your smearing around because you watched a video BY THE FEAR MONGERING NEWS MEDIA WHOSE SOLE DESIRE IS TO CAUSE RAMPANT FEAR AND ANGER TO TRICK YOU INTO BEING GLUED TO THE NEWS
Your not a misinformation-quelling crusader, your a misinformed alarmist panicking at the drop of a hat because you don’t know shit
Calm the fuck down. We all got traumatized by COVID but this is not COVID and if you actually did any real digging outside of garbage US media you would find the global fucking consensus is that you need to shut the fuck up because the risk is very low
The amount of people who think they know everything in the modern age and then go shouting from the rooftops like they’re going to be the saviour of humanity is too damn high
You do not know how to find credible sources, you do not do enough digging and gathering of opinions, you are the fucking problem, posting on c/videos to soapbox like you know dickb
Aetherial@nord.pub 2 weeks ago
I rather enjoyed this lashing, and I appreciate the sane take amidst a sea of nonsensical panic and rumors.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Heritage Foundation right now is partying. This is how they cull Americans en masse.
Oh well.
BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
With the way media is portraying this situation, we are somewhere in between “this happens from time-to-time” and “half the population on Earth is about to die”.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
we are somewhere in between “this happens from time-to-time” and “half the population on Earth is about to die”.
To be fair…
Those are not mutually exclusive
BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Damn, that’s true.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
However bad its going to be, i already see the billionaires happily preparing, hoping for a pandemic that will wipe out half of humanity so that they can rule the world as kings after that or some stupid shit.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Boy they are in for a surprise. It won’t take long for their hired forces to realize money is no longer worth it and their violence has way more value.
If we lost even 30% of the population is going to get bad
OldGrayDog@fedinsfw.app 3 weeks ago
Project 2025 talks about getting rid of 100 million Americans, this will probably accomplish their goal and then some.
TimboSlice@discuss.online 3 weeks ago
I work at a hospital in the US. Guess I’m fucked.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Maybe it’s time to finish my “space suit” I just hope filters I can get would do anything
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Babe wake up another scamdemic grift just got announced
justgohomealready@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Fucking hell, after all these years?
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
First one didn’t fully take sorry mate that’ll be a 70% CoL increase
justsomeguy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Someone who looked into this deeper tell me why Allen seems so sure it won’t be anywhere near covid spread when it’s so easily transmitted. What’s the difference here?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
See, last time trump wanted to get his hands in it and didn’t let Anthony Fauci take common sense steps…
This time trump has so much shit going on he likely doesn’t even know this is a thing.
So he’s going to let the people with decades of experience follow established procedure and take logical steps to minimize infection.
Yep, everything will be fine because the director of HHS will be able to handle this with essentially zero oversight…
/S
This is the director of HHS btw:
homura1650@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not a particularly satisfying answer, but contagious diseases jumping to humans and causing small outbreaks is not a particularly uncommon event. Most of the time, those outbreaks die out without becoming a large scale pandemic. This is due to both nature, and significant investments in global contagious disease response infrastructure.
Saying a given outbreak is probably not going to be as bad as covid is probably correct, because most aren’t.
I should also mention that the public health infrastructure that normally prevents epidemics has been significantly weakened over the past few years. This does tilt the table towards pandemic.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is the most public I’ve seen someone who actually understands this is “Andes variant”…
Not just America, but lots of countries are pretending that this is regular Hanta and not the Andes variant.
Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…
None of that is true for Andes, and because of that we started studying this variant years ago, because we have no way to fight it, and it could cause a devastating pandemic…
news.utexas.edu/…/scientists-map-deadly-hantaviru…
Like, multiple people are starting to show symptoms on evac flights, they 100% infected everyone on their plane. But we’re only doing two week quarantines after the flight, and it can take 6 weeks for symptoms and transmission
We’re fucking it all up again and no one cares, maybe we’ll get lucky, but I don’t think so.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
From what I’ve read, the human to human transmission requires very close contact. I’ve even heard it’s described as “intimate” contact. That seems to me to imply that it doesn’t transmit from human to human very easily.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What?
What are you reading?
As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
All of that is about Hanta in general and true for 99.99% variants…
But not the Andes variant that everyone is talking about
Jesus fucking Christ dude, you’re lit doing what the video is saying is the problem…
Even if you didn’t watch the video, presumably you read the comment you replied to
I need to understand why you don’t get this so I can help you and others understand it, and obviously my last comment didn’t work.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is respiratory if it’s the Andes Hantavirus, and it is.
These tourists literally went to the Andes.
While the first one has an R of 0,8 Andes has an R factor of 2.19 (see article below)
Anything R>2 has a high risk of large-scale epidemics.
Even for Covid is was difficult to determine the R-factor but 3.28 to 4.22 is significantly higher than initial WHO estimates of 1.4–2.5.
And this disease has not been thoroughly studied.
Another isue I found from this article says it can be transmitted to up to 8 weeks (even if exceptional).
I only know from NL and Be where the passengers have to quarantine for only 6 weeks.
And this in their homes.
This sounds verry risky and irresponsible.
Except for the passengers that left in St Helens and possible crew members ‘escaping’ the source (ship) was a good opportunity to end this quickly.
I feel like they’re taking big risks.
Especially if those quarantined believe the low risk transmissibility narrative.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We use WHO guidelines here, putting the passengers who were brought home in at least 42 days of quarantine. The US, though, now that is a different thing. Maybe they’ll try injecting bleach, like “the greatest mind ever” suggested…
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The NEJM article says a possible 8 weeks transmissibility (in some cases).
So even 42 days isn’t enough.
And many people couldn’t even follow their short Covid quarantine at home.
I don’t believe they can all handle 6 weeks, and certainly not in a safe way if they are made to believe it’s not easily transmitted.
Their relatives will get it.
Totally inadequate measures and wildly irresponsible for a virus with a 2.19R factor and 35-50% mortality.