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• cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Bombastic@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You criticize society, yet you live in it. Hypocrisy much? Chekmate liberal

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  • bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s propaganda of the deed. Not all leftists are anarchists.

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• Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I did some ‘back of the napkin’ math a few days ago to see what it would take for the employees in my company to purchase enough shares for a controlling stake in the company. I figured that we’d never get 100% of the employees to buy in, but we also don’t need 100% of the shares, so to keep it easy I calculated if 60% bought 60% of the shares… and it would cost each employee around $2.3 million.

  That tells me that each employee provides $2.3 million worth of value to the company… and we’re not getting paid anywhere near that. Not even close.

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  • Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Company value is just the result of shareholders expectations for the future company value. It doesn’t directly reflect the employees worth

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why is this highly upvoted? This is just a poor understanding of economics.

    The market cap just shows the aggregate value of shares that are being publicly traded. It has nothing to do with labor value. You can’t derive labor value from the market cap because there’s no correlation. If you want to find out how much each employee contributes, you would have to use something like company revenue.

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  • mech@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So get to shitposting!

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You should subtract initial investments in the company, value of real estate owned, value of machines etc.

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  • merdaverse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    each employee provides $2.3 million worth of value

    Market cap is just the value at which shares are sold on the market, not necessarily the actual value of the company. They imply a lot speculation for investors on how much they expect to gain from the ownership. The company equity/net worth is a more accurate indicator. What you’re calculating is the accumulated value in time, not yearly.

    If you want the ratio of generated value to wages paid, it’s hard to accurately calculate with just public data, but you can approximate it so: in a given year, take the operating income and divide it by the number of employees. Operating income accounts for overhead expenses like SG&A (Sales General & Admin), which includes things which you can argue are useless (like wages for execs, middle management, and sales), but they also include admin costs like office rents, etc. Then you also have to find the average/median wage of a worker at the company, so the total is:

    yearly value created by a worker = (operating income / n. of workers) + median wage

    You can also do a quick calculation using this tool: yourfairshare.info

    It’s interesting to note how in all of these top companies, for every 1$ paid to workers, another ~1$ is transferred to capitalists.

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• CubitOom@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Do the bare minimum to avoid getting fired.

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  Actively sabotage your employer.

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  • oldwoodenship@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    why are you doing the bare minimum?! you’re so lazy!

    bruh I’m doing literally only what the job asked, unless you pay me more, I’m not doing more

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• lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I never understood why we’re stuck with just capitalism or communism, two economic systems developed before railroads were a thing and written down at night by candle light or a lantern burning whale fat. I think we should come up with something better. To quote President Not Sure, “The water doesn’t have to come from the toilet, but that’s the general idea.”

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  • electric_nan@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “It’s socialism or barbarism!”. It’s because there hasn’t been any other convincing arguments otherwise. If you give the capitalists an inch, they’ll eventually take it all. You cannot allow capital to accumulate to the degree that it wields real political power.

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Socialism hasn’t exactly worked out either. Replacing a flawed system like capitalism with something even worse is not a solution

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The real choice is capitalism or democracy.

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      These aren’t opposites. Democracy is a system of governance, capitalism is a system of economics. A society can be both at the same time.

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  • bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everyone who advocates for a “third way” always just ends up advocating for capitalism.

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  • merdaverse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Railways were a thing when communism was developing during Marx’s times and Lenin wrote extensively about railways. Their analysis is still very valid, and if anything, planning has become more feasible than 100 years ago thanks to computers. There are some modern proposals, but they are still very much based on socialism, since capitalism can only lead us to ruin.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m all ears for ideas.

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    • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So am I! I just can’t believe Adam Smith and Karl Marx are the Einstein and Newton of economics. It feels like capitalism and communism are the luminiferous ether and fluid theory of electricity and we never bothered advanced any further.

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• Blurntout@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This but I’m self employed 😭

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• expatriado@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  commenting on shitposts at work until my value matches my pay 🫡

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• Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s literally a running joke where I work called the “Union Shit”. You run to the bathroom to take a 15 - 20 minute shit between your breaks.

  Whether or not you’re actually shitting or just shitposting is between you and those walls lol

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  • mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In Germany, you’re having a “Sitzung” which is the word for a conference meeting, but literally just means “sitting”.

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    • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It means “session”, which also derives from sitting.

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• dharmacurious@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Remember, people, the economy depends on you. It is important to be responsible, and to #ActYourWage

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• gigastasio@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I thought shitposting at work increased my value.

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• ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Your labor is more valuable as part of a business than as a freelance secretary. If someone increases the value of your labor in exchange for a cut that’s a fair deal.

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  • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Your labor is compensated more as part of a business. That doesn't mean it's fairly compensated.

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    • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s between you & your union

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• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Communism is a meme. It will never work and there will never be a silver bullet revolution.

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  • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Communism can mean a lot of different things. What kind of economic system do you advocate for?

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Communism is just utopia. It’s the fantasy of a German man from a bygone era of how he thought a perfect society should look like. It’s not a realistic or practical ideology, and never was. This is why every single attempt at achieving it in history results in failure and it’s the reason why that’s always going to be the case.

      You can’t run an economy based fictional utopias or treating some German philosopher’s subpar ideas as gospel. The economy, like with anything else in society, has to be run pragmatically. It needs to be studied like any other academic subject, and the research should be used to organize and refine what’s been proven to work and what doesn’t. Likewise, people who are experts on the subject should be the ones drafting guidelines that drive the economy, and the advice they give should be based on their society’s current problems. If it’s makes sense for their country’s economy to have socialized healthcare then they should do that, if it makes sense for their country to privatize their country’s musical instrument industry then they should do that. This idea that we have to box ourselves and our economies into some ideological box never made sense to me.

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  • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re such a boring anticommunist proapgandist, you’ve been educated a million times in this platform and you refuse to absorb the smallest knowledge.

    If communism doesnt work, why did it take 1bn people out of poverty and save Europe from Nazism?

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    • Tottakai@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wtf are yountalking about?

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re such a boring anticommunist proapgandist, you’ve been educated a million times in this platform and you refuse to absorb the smallest knowledge.

      Lmao you’re an idiot. You’re NOT knowledgeable, and the fact that you’re so arrogant that you think you’re in a position to educate just shows how much of dimwit you are. Idiots like you seethe every time I make the most obvious criticisms of this shitty ideology because you can’t prove me wrong. I bring up

      If communism doesnt work, why did it take 1bn people out of poverty and save Europe from Nazism?

      It quite literally did neither. The Soviet Union were literally the closest allies of the Nazis. Stalin and Hitler signed a pact and invaded Poland together. They’re literally half the reason why WWII started. Things only changed when Hitler betrayed Stalin and invaded the Soviet Union, and even then, the Soviet Union did not save Europe from the Nazis. That ignores the massive contributions from the rest of the allies, mainly the US and the British Empire, who liberated the other half of Europe AND took down the other two axis powers by themselves. Not to mention that the Soviet Union didn’t liberate shit, they were occupiers themselves who were just as brutal as the Nazis in a lot of ways. There’s a reason why every single Eastern European country despises communism and the Soviet Union as much as they despise fascism and Nazi Germany.

      Also communism is notorious for dragging societies into poverty. There’s not a single example of communism taking a society into a better place then where it has left it. Every single instance in history has either resulted in collapse or revert to capitalism in some form. I assume you’re referring to China’s economic rise lifting 800 million people out of poverty. But if you had even the most elementary understanding of Chinese history, which you very clearly don’t, then you would know that this rise started in the late 80s because that’s when China officially adopted capitalism.

      Mao was a true communist and China under him was well and truly socialist. This was the darkest chapter in China’s 5000 year old history. Socialism was such a colossal failure that it has resulted in the biggest man made disaster in human history, the Great Chinese Famine, which killed somewhere between 15 and 55 million people. This coupled with the Great leap forward and a bunch of other campaigns, somewhere between 40 and 80 million people were killed as a direct result of Mao and his policies. This makes Mao the dictator with the highest death toll in history. All the while, the Chinese economy was in complete shambles and the country was on the verge of collapse yet again. When Mao died in the 1976, the next leader of China, Deng Xiaoping made it very clear to the public that country was going to go into a de-Maoization similar to what Khrushchev did after Stalin died.

      Starting in the late 70s and throughout the 80s, Deng Xiaoping made a series reforms where China adopted capitalism and liberalized the economy. He allowed foreign investment to come into the country, he allowed people to hold private businesses, he allowed farmers to keep surplus crops and sell them for profit, he loosened restrictions on free markets, state owned corporations were restructured to have a lot more autonomy, he established “special economic zones” all over the country where capitalism ran free. China’s GDP growth correlates with these reform 1:1. If you look at a graph of China’s economic growth it starts and directly correlates with these reforms. The vast majority of the world, including China itself acknowledge that capitalism is what’s responsible for China’s economic boom.

      This basic information. If piss poor propaganda and misinformation that can easily be debunked with a 30 second google search is your “education” then you take the crown for being the biggest clown on lemmy.

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  • mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I just hope we do find an economic system that works at some point, before it’s too late.

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  • bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I doubt you can even define it.

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a shitty utopia thought up by a grumpy German philosopher from a bygone era where he thought that all the issues of Germany during the Industrial revolution could be solved by having all the resources, land, and means of production be publicly owned and operated as well as have the redistribution of them go from ability to need. He thought that this was the silver bullet solution to everything. He thought because there’s a theoretical equality of outcome, there would no longer be class division tearing society apart. Therefore, there will no longer be crime or discrimination or a need for money or even a state… as that’s the reason why these things exist in the first place. It should be noted that he thinks that the state would dismantle itself after the utopia is achieved just because, and it’s not just the government but also the state apparatus so things like the military, public schools, the courts, the media, etc would also get dismantled.

      So basically it’s just a fantasy of anarchist society that doesn’t have state, money, or classes where all the people magically agree and get together to publicly manage all the means of production and redistribute all the resources in such a way where everybody has exactly what they need all the time. Oh, and all of this will happen after a violent revolution that overthrows capitalism followed by a transitional tyrannical socialist state that supposed to represent the workers that’s going to rule with an iron fist to bring about the necessary social conditions to realize communism. That’s the state that will voluntarily dismantle itself when communism is achieved.

      The ideology is such a fucking joke that it can’t even withstand basic criticism and logical reasoning. It’s no wonder that it has literally failed every single time it has been tried. Hundreds of attempts across different time periods, lands, cultures, and circumstances. At one point communist countries controlled over 1/3 of the planet… and yet they all failed. Every single one is a failure. They all either collapsed, turned into authoritarian shitholes, or reverted to capitalism in some way. The opposite never happened. Capitalism is not good, it’s a very flawed system and idea, but at least it functions to some capacity. Marxist communism is so delusional and unsound that it literally doesn’t function. No amount of “MUH THEEREES” will change the reality of communism being a meme.

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• Lioffproxy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Communism is just as easy of an answer as fascism. Just a different direction.

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  • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No. You’re wrong.

    I’m from Spain, we had fascism for 40 years. We had no public education for everyone, no free healthcare for everyone, no guaranteed employment, no right to unionize, no pensions, no guaranteed housing, university was only for the rich families, farm workers were exploited by the landowners, there was immense racism and ethnonationalism as state policy, and other cultures and languages (see Basque and Catalan) were forbidden and repressed.

    Communism is literally antithetical to fascism, it provides universal free healthcare, universal pensions, guaranteed right to employment, guaranteed housing at affordable prices, universal free education to the highest level, respect for local cultures and languages, socialist internationalism as opposed to ethnonationalism, highest unionization rates, redistribution of the farmlands…

    I suggest you read more on what fascism actually was, and what communism has historically actually been.

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    • Lioffproxy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not about the IDEA of communism its the implementation. People can’t be trusted. Read the gulhag archipeligo. It might show you some of the implications of how communism is actually practiced. They both suck and we need better. Ideology is fine as long as you don’t try to apply it to reality one to one. I can’t find a group of ten people who I could stick in a room that would agree 100% on how a government should be run. We live in a world where the perception of a thing dictates how it is thought about and implemented. Communism as an idea is a fluffy utopis where everyone gets a cut and a say. But if you build them in the real world where people actually exist with differing opinions on who should and shouldn’t get exterminated for arbitrary party ideology. There are minor situations where communities thrive o. Their ideology. Until the rest of the world comes knocking. What are you guys gonna do to the people that don’t want communism once you get into power? A position of power is a position. Of power over people. Power corrupts. Money corrupts. Humans are corruptable. The biggest example of communist implementation is China and they are a pretty capitalist for a communist nation. Communism and fascism are ideologies that people subscribe to.

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• sommerset@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Communism in one country as opposed to the glob” - that’s the problem.

  How u gonna handle competition from non communist countries?

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  • chortle_tortle@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    competition

    That’s a weird way to spell bombs.

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  • quips@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What makes socialism less competitive?

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    • Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You have far fewer desperate people to feed into the meat grinder, you have to be right everywhere every time or the oppressors will magnify your failures both at home and abroad, your researchers aren’t researching almost exclusively weapons of mass destruction.

      Also you know the whole “holding any value for human life” bit.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  shitpost until AI can replace you by doing an equivalent job is a dicey proposition.

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  • mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The techlords told me when AI replaces my job I can just be on the beach with full pay.
    And they’re billionaires so they must be smart.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Replace you, no no no, replace you trying to do as little as possible… that’s more of a problem. I’m not saying work your ass off, but don’t not-work yourself out of a job to a clanker. The boss will fire you if he ‘thinks’ he’ll save some money with AI.

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• Bonsoir@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, you can always go work for a non-profit organization. Your salary will be even lower.

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  • mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Non-profit only means that any profits generated will be reinvested into the organization, donated or put in a trust fund that finances things the owners want, as a tax avoidance scheme. It has nothing to do with how high the salaries are.

    Mozilla is a non-profit and their salaries aren’t that bad:
    www.levels.fyi/companies/mozilla/salaries

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    • Bonsoir@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Reinvesting profits in the organization is in theory much better than giving it to shareholders. In practice, most non-profit are quite poor, and yes, salary are usually lower than market. Partly because they can’t scale up by using investors money like for-profit do, I guess.

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