at this point it’s hard to say if we’ll even have an election in general
Is there a chance America one day will elect a Progressive? Or will we keep going the elder dipshit route?
Submitted 4 weeks ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Younger people can still be terrible politicians
JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Good point. Look at JD Vance!
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Define progressive
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 4 weeks ago
Exactly.
People masking this question have their own definition, which is why “isms” are tools to drive wwsges between people.
Additionally, focusing on the president is excusing congress from doing their fucking job.
For the last 30 years they’ve basically sat back and said “let the president do whatever - he’ll take the heat and not us”.
So for OP - there are 500 assholes in Congress not doing their fucking job, so maybe focus on getting your rep/senator out and someone in who will do their job.
Until the apathy of congress changes, nothing will change.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Elections 2028:
90y old republican with dementia, salivating to the microphone
Vs
88y old democrat on wheelchair, suffering terminal cancer, taking painkillers directly to the bloodstream.
Unfortunately during the debate, republican saliva shorted out cables in the microphone, while Democrat fell into coma.
Elections are won by the republican, democrats are weeping on bluesky, wondering why people voted for a shitty president again.
The End.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
But this will ne a fully self driving wheelchair with AI built in.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Won’t happen until both the Republican and Democratic parties are dead and buried. As we’ve seen over the last decade, they’re more than happy to work together if it means keeping progressives out of office.
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Not in my lifetime or the lifetimes of my youngest family members. Bernie is a centrist and he’s seen as too radical left.
AskewLord@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
Yes, we elected progressive presidents in the early 20th century. A century ago.
Then we decided in the 70s to stop being progressive.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Not very long anymore.
They will be so very far behind in all fields of tech and business because of the extreme conservativism. The world isn’t going to watch anymore who gets elected there, if at all. Nobody cares.
Aetherial@nord.pub 3 weeks ago
👏👏👏
Triasha@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Until the US military gets fried and the dollar collapses the rest of the world will care.
That day may not be far off, but it not here yet.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
America is going to collapse. Start having faith in self and building a community that has a foundation that isn’t using and abusing you.
This is more of thought an note to myself.
Aetherial@nord.pub 3 weeks ago
👏👏👏
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
center right is as far as america goes, and its the most conservative western country. Besides the DNC prevents any viable progressive from running ever.
they only allow AOC, AND BERNIE in congress solely to take attention off from themselves. like how schumer had a slew of dems to take the fall for ending the shutdown, in order to shield the other dems from being primaried.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
We had FDR once 😭
minz@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
If america can ever return to a normal parliamentary democracy instead of only giving it’s people the choice between two parties, maybe
Naich@piefed.world 4 weeks ago
You’ll have trouble finding someone worse than trump, but if you do I’m sure he’ll win with a landslide.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Meh you just need to find a man with a vision, and WW3 would be guaranteed
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Progressive Americans have to defeat the mini-boss (DNC) before they can on the main-boss (GOP).
There’s a chance the GOP can crack open for a Progressive popout but the MTGs and such already got there years ago so I wager thats about at 0% odds now.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
DNC and GOP often collude together, so basically 2 main bossess. given how they reacted with Zohrans election. and they make alot of backdoor deals behind the doors, where they both benefit, like with the tax cuts.
devolution@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The Puritans were elder dipshits.
Sure the founding father’s were progressive for their time (minus the misogyny, classism, and slave owning), but the Puritans never went away.
They just became the Know Nothing’s, the Confederates, the Dixiecrats, the moral majority, the tea party, and now MAGA.
kreskin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We might be able to get a progressive to run as an independent in the general. If they try to go through the democratic party they will be backstabbed, while also inheriting all the dems baggage and idiocy.
dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Once we kill every billionaire, yes. A chance.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’ll be the progressive that gets elected to preside over the decline. Once we’ve been bled dry and the other nation(s) take the world lead, like China.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
And they’ll worship trump like they currently do Reagan. Forgetting all the shit he caused and blame whoever is head of state regardless of their decisions.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Not for a while, but that door is going to swing back the other way so hard it’ll damn near come off the hinges. Then back the other way it’ll go. The 1% thrives on our division.
We’re in the grip of corporate control and we’re not seeing light till that’s resolved. I think eventually it’ll happen though, whether it is through regulation or by the way of the green plumber is unclear.
Feyd@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Just look at who’s been winning all the special elections. The fascists either lock this shit on like Russia in the next 3 years or they’re fucked
Triasha@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They will be fucked for exactly 2 election cycles. 2026 and 2028. 2030 will be a red wave year. Calling it now.
Voters have memories worse than goldfish. Dems will be a shoe for the white house in 28 but will be lucky to hold it in 32 unless something historically tragic in the scale 9-11 or COVID happens in 31.
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Liberals here just enable the fascists. I think OP was asking if we’d get something that isn’t just fascist enablement, if we’d ever have a situation where we broke out of this cycle you’re referring to with effective liberal policy instead of half-measures that just give the fascists an excuse to call liberals incompetent.
(I don’t think so)
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
some people have speculated it would be better if people felt gop for more than 2 terms, maybe some of them will finally WAKE up. because the gop always expects the dems to fix things next term. schumers banking on the midterms winning in his favor thats why ended the shutdown early.
nomecks@lemmy.wtf 4 weeks ago
*until the next mid terms
wraekscadu@vargar.org 4 weeks ago
For which office? You guys already have elected progressives in some offices
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yes. If you look at the last couple of elections and when they were born you’ll notice an outlier that got that vote because they promised something different.
It’s doable, but it seems like the current voters like people born at the tail end of WW2.
Aetherial@nord.pub 4 weeks ago
I’m going with a third option: who the fuck cares?
America appears to be the batshit landscape the rest of the world knew it was but we were always getting drowned out from the noise of your soft power via hollywood and manipulative political/economic orgs. If you’re having issues, has it been considered that you might wanna contain that shit instead of plaster it all over the world news? It’s exhausting to continually see headlines about what nutty thing that wouldn’t occur anywhere else happened today in Jesus land. And then have to suffer through the trivial machinations of moaning and hand wringing so that citizens can relieve themselves of responsibility and go back to their Netflix and video games.
America is cooked all the way through because it fosters a culture that takes away the compact mirror and hands a megaphone to kids when they’re born. That’s not gonna be cured in one or three or five years via election cycles. You have a terminal infection of culture and the sooner you come to grips with that, the better for everyone.
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I agree with most of this but I would like to point to “living on stolen land” as the primary source of this “terminal infection”, and it’s a social phenomenon you can witness not just here but any time that people feel justified in stealing someone else’s home throughout history.
Aetherial@nord.pub 3 weeks ago
South Africa ranks pretty high on that list but it’s already gone through the discernment phase where the collevtive majority went “huh. This isn’t quite working out the way we’d planned. Let’s try something else”. And now the people who don’t like the results of “doing something else” are now fleeing to america, because the discernment phase hasn’t happened there yet.
Blackout@fedia.io 4 weeks ago
It would take another age of enlightenment, otherwise people are just too conservative here.
Clairvoidance@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
That’d require becoming a reading-culture again
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
even in blue areas there are pretty conservative people, especially with men, and alot of them tend to be transplant from more conservative area to a blue area. They just hide it better.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s gonna take a big crowbar, or some other tool, to oust the billionaires from power.
AlexLost@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Firstly, pray America has a future. You are currently becoming dumbfuckistan.
vga@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Remember that guy before Trump?
Clairvoidance@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It’s about to be do-or-die I feel…
itisileclerk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Better old than young, can’t stay in power too long. Putin was young, he is still the president. Orban was young and was in power for 16 years. Gadafi was 27 I think.
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 4 weeks ago
There’s a lot of doomerism happening in these comments, so I’m just gonna add in that yes, I do think there’s a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless
Right now shit sucks real bad. People know this. That’s why Trump won the first time. He ran as an anti-establishment everything candidate and people—not just his bigoted cultists—ate it up. But things didn’t get better. So then people voted for Biden bc he was the opposition to Trump who had become the establishment as the sitting president. And Biden won and shit still sucked. So then they went back to Trump bc there was no viable republican or democrat candidate outside of Trump and Biden/Harris. (Yes Bernie should have been the answer but America is currently a two party system and he was robbed of a primary election.)
So now that everything sucks and is getting worse and we’ve tried republicans and democrats and none of it is working and most candidates refuse to talk about real issues like affordability, people are starting to say “fine. I’ll find a different candidate then.”
And that’s how we got Zohran Mamdani, an openly democratic socialist as mayor of New York City. All across the country progressive candidates are using this momentum to primary out establishment dems. Not all are winning, but many of the races are close, like Kat Abughazaleh’s race. Even that helps because it shows dems that if they want to keep their seat as the controlled opposition so they can keep getting their bribes, then they have to change their messaging and priorities. People aren’t satisfied with a campaign to return to pre-Trump business as usual. People want a candidate that works for them
So check who’s on the ballot of your dem primaries (which are happening rn and through the summer depending on where you live) and see if there are any progressive candidates and do what you can to support them. Donate, volunteer, spread the word, and most importantly, show up and vote in the primary and the elections in November. Even local candidates like city council members and judges can have a lot of power if they have enough numbers and the support of the people
I know a lot of people on lemmy say that America is beyond repair and that the only answer at this point is a violent revolution but not only is this not realistic, it’s not helpful. A violent revolution would be devastating and the amount of lives lost would be horrifying. Theres also the fact that most violent revolutions result in a military authority taking power rather than a true democratic rebuilding. It’s much easier to fantasize about a violent revolution than it is to do the slow, tedious work of creating real change from the ground up
There’s no need to jump to the worst case scenario when we have a prime opportunity to make real change and build grassroots movements. Like I said, this is our chance to capitalize on people’s anger and dissatisfaction with the system to build class consciousness and grassroots movements. Do what you can, even if it doesn’t seem like a lot, and stay hopeful. We’ll get through this together by supporting each other