I never really hear people say that the free market will solve things. Market failures are a thing and a dominant part of welfare economics.
Any day now
Submitted 1 day ago by Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 14 minutes ago
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
What’s the problem? There was an event, people didn’t use a car. Should they have bought their own Trottinet?
StayDoomed@lemmy.world 16 minutes ago
Living in a city- i see this (and what makes this a funny meme) is that it shows the “free market” “solving” a problem by making private profit from a public space. The lime scooters are left all over the place, and these companies do not pick them up every day. They clog side walks, roads, bike racks, etc.
Its so bad that some cities (like the one im in) is negotiating contracts with providers to make them develop some infrastructure to keep their private property that they are profiting off of out of spaces that are public use.
I get its better to use less cars, i ride a bicycle, but there’s a reason people dont leave their personal bikes in the middle of the sidewalk, that motivation isnt there for the scooters. So it creates a “unique form of corporate litter” as I’ve heard others say.
Its a free market solution that companies profit off of by externalizing the cost of storing their shit in public spaces for free - such as what is shown in the meme photo. If you did that with something else then your car would get a ticket or someone would fuck with your bike for being an asshole.
Godric@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
100 people took an e-scooter or e-bike somewhere, and will probably take them back homeward ince the even is over, what’s the problem? Should there be another parking lot instead?
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I’m always amused when people get enraged by scooters or bikes on the sidewalk but see nothing wrong in giving over the vast majority of public spaces to cars. Maybe your priorities might be ever so slightly askew here, brother/sister/other kind of sibling.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Here’s the thing, sidewalks have a speed limit to ensure the safety of everyone on them. Scooters or bikes can go faster, yet get to share that space. Me being mad at these things on sidewalks is me being mad at the city planers not giving them their own lane.
Alberat@lemmy.world 34 minutes ago
i agree but its worth it to take a car off the road. but yeah we should have speed limits and also the kids who go the wrong way on these things down one way streets should get fined or something
juliorapido@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Agree with your point, but cars are far worse…
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
False dichotomy. We can invest in public transit or even public bike/scooter rentals without allowing free reign for a private company to make profits. So we can all say “fuck cars” while simultaneously criticizing this e-waste as well.
juliorapido@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
True
bort@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
We can invest in public transit or even public bike/scooter rentals without allowing free reign for a private company to make profits
can we though?
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Agreed that cars are worse. If they were used primarily in bike lanes or on roads, I might believe they’re displacing cars. As it is, they’re primarily operated on sidewalks, effectively displacing pedestrian traffic and public transportation.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
They’re still displacing cars though? Most times I’ve used one, the alternative would have been taking my car, or a ride hailing app. I’m not taking one instead of a leisurely stroll, I’m taking one to get somewhere in a reasonable amount of time. Which walking was never going to accomplish.
juliorapido@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Yeah thats so true
Pupsocks@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
I see this at events and festivals in our town all the time and I think it’s a massive win. Every scooter you see is likely one less car clogging up our streets or taking up a parking spot. Plus, a lot of these riders are out-of-towners bringing business to our local shops and helping the economy. It’s a shame there are so many NIMBYs hating on them when the trade-off is clearly better for the town’s bottom line. I’ll take a sidewalk with a few scooters over a gridlocked street any day. Plus they are super fun to ride.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CARS?!? WON’T ANYBODY THINK OF THE POOR CARS?!?
Strider@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
In Germany this went reaaaallly awesome. First, some years back we had this with the shit bikes and it turned out to be a burden on all and there are massive bike dumps in China.
Then a while later we allow the same with scooters.
And as usual, some people with shit asshole behavior messing it up for everyone.
The other thing I do not get in my head is using public space for business. If I can’t just do that companies should be forbidden too.
Lemming6969@lemmy.world 25 minutes ago
In theory they get a city license and so could you… In theory.
subarctictundra@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I’m surprised there hasn’t been ang initiative to get all the DHL/Amazon/etc. pick-up boxes to all share one station.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I think that’s just the Post Office, with extra steps.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
That would mean prioritising the public interest over the profits of large corporations. We don’t do that here. And if you think that better organisation would benefit everybody, including the corporations, you’re a filthy communist.
tomiant@piefed.social 10 hours ago
The free market will solve this problem and introduce three new problems that the free market will solve, contributing to the economy and growth. Forever.
Napster153@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Until someone unlocks the enshittification meta, in which we package worse problems as solutions to be sold.
tomiant@piefed.social 6 minutes ago
Stock goes brrrrrr
GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Thanks for your business. We’ll just leave these externalities here for you to enjoy.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 1 day ago
they find so many of these in our river
Etterra@discuss.online 15 hours ago
I’ll bet it’s possible to “borrow” one, gut the electronics, and repurpose it.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 44 minutes ago
In YouTube, Berm Peak channel folks bought an e-bike from a bankrupt app company, and went on to replace the control unit (plus sensors and the panel). Doable but not painless. Folks in the comments pointed out that a lot of the control units are reprogrammable, though - swap the SIM card and send new settings over SMS.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
That’s a good point. Is it even possible to vandalize or steal something That’s been dumped/abandoned on public grounds?
Etterra@discuss.online 32 minutes ago
I suppose it depends on the local laws.
BanMe@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Unless they’re parked legally I just push them over, away from the sidewalk. And someone else has started as well! They do a decent job of coming to get them and put them somewhere allowed, all in a row. But the app requires you to take geostamped photos so they have proof their riders are just putting them in the middle of the sidewalk and walking away, and they don’t care.
Flipside, they’re hella nice to grab to work if my car is down or if it’s just nice, and you could techically get across my entire city on them (stopping to swap I assume) so there’s a bit of democratization about them, but you’d be dumb to try that.
They should be free if they’re going to be letting them leave tomorrow’s e-waste on our sidewalks. Maybe we could all pay for them together somehow idk
Seaguy05@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That kinda looks like a lot of cars not on the road. Sure, they should have designated drop off and pick up locations so you don’t get this mess. However, I think these lime bikes are providing an alternative option to solo drivers.
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 1 day ago
We hage designated parking spots for these in Ottawa (Canada) that’s not limited to any one company and it works pretty well. I own an e-scooter but I’ll still often rent one if I dont want to park mine somewhere
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Each end of the spectrum a has its own issues.
A centrally managed economy can be great for making unpopular but necessary changes, but are prone to massive failures when the law of unintended consequences inevitably shows up to bite you in the ass.
Free market economies are great for letting complexities sort themselves out, but are terrible for quickly making necessary changes, and you end up with “death by 1000 cuts” instead of one but failure.
In the end, I think it’s best to use the right tool for the right situation. As the goods/services are less critical, or the barriers to doing it yourself are low, a free market approach tends to work better. As the goods/services become more critical, and the do it yourself barriers are high, the free market approach becomes increasingly shitty for everyone but the owners.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
The free market will solve you
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
How are they all aggregated together? I’ve never seen more than a handful in one place at a time. Does lime hire someone to gather them all into one place in some cities?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Not sure, but if I had to guess, due to the no parking signs, bus behind the trees and number of lime things there, it’s likely at a convention of some sort. So people likely thought taking those was easier than finding/paying for parking. If true, this is lowering the number of cars needed in the area
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Ah, that would make sense. A 12 hour problem with a 12 hour solution.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 23 hours ago
Last time I saw so many in one place, it was at a beer festival.
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
I do believe that’s a 2016-2019 Chevy volt in the first picture.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It looks like that during sporting events and an hour after the event is over you won’t find a single bike within a mile of the stadium.
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 5 minutes ago
hey, at least there was an attempt to keep them out of the middle of the sidewalk. (Don’t get me wrong, people leaving these things all over the place makes me crazy. We’ve got the damn electric scooters strewn around, too.)