Submitted 1 day ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
Who is the other enemy is this supposed cold war ?
The cold war was between the US and the USSR. They did not actually fight or bomb each other.
The USA, Israel,and Iran and others are actually killing people, destroying property and wealth. That is not a cold war.
The other wars weren’t cold. Vietnam was not a cold war. Nor was Korea or the first Iraq war were not cold wars.
So I’m not sure I understand the question.
Vietnam is considered part of the greater ‘Cold War.’ Soviet pilots flew for the North Vietnamese Air Force.
Angola’s long civil war was another bloody proxy war.
There were so many wars that encompassed the greater cold war.
You mentioned some. Vietnam was the big one. There was also USSR vs Afghanistan.
But also tons of smaller wars in Africa. All over the world really. Anytime two powers went to war, the USA and USSR would each pick a side and fund it. Some of these smaller wars outlasted the cold war. One of them went from like the 1970s until 2019. I forget which one, but just watch Oversimplified’s cold war videos. He covers all of them with a quick graphic showing years.
The cold war had plenty of fighting and killing. It was just done by proxy. Like in the middle east.
cool war
Cold war, maybe. No war is cool. :)
Neither? After Vietnam, the US doesn’t have the stomach/naivety to put up with that again. The US isn’t on a war economy. There aren’t two other massive countries supporting and supplying Iran. War isn’t waged that way anymore. It’s not going to be Vietnam, and it’s not even a semi cool war. It’ll go down as as distraction (hopefully not the distraction) from the criminality and depravity of the Epstein class. Iran will remain a power in the region and the world will have yet another reason not to trust the US.
Technically, the US has the stomach for the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars.
The problem right now is that the current policy goals for the war don’t match the current use of force occurring. I don’t see Iran capitulating without an invasion and Trump is likely going to need some sort of Congressional authorization or funding to continue the war.
My biggest concern with this is that it opens the door wide for China to attack Taiwan. No laws are left. I’m not Taiwanese or anything, but we all know how reliant the world economy is on both countries, and just the semiconductors issue is a major blow for the US economy, to which they cannot sit and watch.
If the US goes into that, it’s anyone’s game, and obv WW3. Russia can’t sit that out either, given their new status.
My only concern is Iran falling into a civil war and a failed state
I think that’s a completely valid concern.
IMO, most things point at usa will withdraw in under a month. “No boots on the ground”.
That doesn’t mean trumpty dumpty won’t want to go waring again soon, but it might be harder to go back to Iran a third time as there is much less “reason” to do so.
In and out. Twenty minute quagmire.
You can just withdraw if things go bad, because it’s not like Iran will continue to bombard US bases if we just shout “Time Out” loudly enough.
Sure, but they don’t have infinite resources either, so ther probable goal is to just make the usa go away.
Remember, armchair generaling isn’t an exact science.
Semi cool. Doesn’t look like China will be getting involved. Russia is over extended and won’t be stepping in even if they wanted to. Trump will keep blowing up little girls until his ego is satisfied or he’s extracted enough favors owed or the yes men surrounding him can divert his attention to something else. After that, whatever is left behind will be led by either resentful family members or opportunists, whose actions will probably regularly give war mongers in the States enough press to sell more “police actions” to their populace for many years.
That’s my 2 cents.
Doubtful. The manner in which technologically advanced countries wage war has changed so much from Vietnam it would be hard to replay it. Look at Ukraine and how important drone combat is and how quickly they’ve advanced their capabilities. Iran has plenty of people who could wage a technologically sophisticated defense. Iran is also about 5x larger than Vietnam and has a population of 90+ million, over twice what Vietnam had. Ask the Romans how hard it is to conquer that area in a land war. If Americans go in it’ll probably be less like Vietnam and more like a mix of Iraq/Afghanistan.
As far as Cold War, if you’re referring to all the proxy battles the US and USSR fought while never quite engaging each other directly; no. Iran doesn’t have the reach to fund a war elsewhere and the US already brought war to them. If anything, the US (and Israel) have been in a bit of a Cold War with Iran for sometime, targeting their proxies and allies in other nations, running spy/infiltration operations, who knows what kind of hacking. What it’s doing now would be the equivalent of the US bombing Russia on her own soil, but with the big difference only one party has a planet annihilating stockpile of nukes.
Having grown up drilling for nuclear destruction and living with that ever present fear that maybe it would happen, I will say that since the fall of the Soviet Union I have never been more concerned about nukes getting used than I am now. This admin is so unhinged, so aggressive, so desperate to flex, and Iran has no ability to strike back with equal force nor allies that are going to retaliate. I worry that these morons might go full Call of Duty and drop one “because they can”. It’d make us a pariah (more so than we are) but I know they don’t care. Hesgeth would nuke a city just so he can make tough guy memes. But I’d also say I wouldn’t discount Iran’s ability to pull off a significant terrorist attack on US soil, they fight back in a way very different from the Viet Cong or Soviets. Fuck only knows if they managed to build a dirty bomb.
It going to be syria or lybia not vietnam
My two cents; Cuba is going to be Trump’s Vietnam. He believes it is easy pickings after Venezuela and Iran, but it will more likely break him if he goes there next. Iran might end up being similar to the Korean war; takes too long, war exhaustion sets in, country gets cut in half.
Cuba is also very close to the US mainland
Hes going to turn Iran into another Syria, declare victory, then fuck off and pretend it never happened. If it destabilizes Europe and the Middle East he wont care. In fact, Miller et al. are probably excited about the chance another refugee crisis will push Europe’s far right into power. Hes going to try the same thing in Cuba, except the consequences there will be unavoidable.
Totally different. This is a multi-way religious war with Sunnis and Shias taking sides, and then Jews and Christians piling in. And on top of that is oil and nuclear weapons.
Iran has been kept destabilized by the rest of the world for the past 50 years because it brings stability to the rest of the region. KSA, UAE, Oman and Qatar are all quite happy to have Iran playing defense, as is Pakistan (traditional Persian lands and culture overlap most of the current national boundaries).
The main players in the Middle East have been fighting for the last 3,000 or so years, and it hasn’t been a cold fight. The US is traditionally willing to pour just enough weaponry into the area to keep things off balance.
The main players in the Middle East have been fighting for the last 3,000
That’s wildly ahistorical.
What you’re describing is the Ottoman Empire, a region that was largely stable and peaceful for centuries.
And the Persians in Iran did alright for a while too
This won’t be a Vietnam, but it will be a long mess.
Speed running the Tet Offensive in weeks rather than years
Those weren’t coverups for pedos.
Depends if they really go when he tells them to go.
MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s all the same.
Listen to the wise words of Dwight D. Eisenhower, maybe the last sane president of the U.S.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y
This man was a general in WWII, a military man and a patriot. He warned that perpetual war would be the result of the “military industrial complex” America had built.
He was right. It never ends. We are at peace with our neighbors to the north and south, have an ocean between us and our nearest rival, yet somehow this nation is always at war.