Online attacks against an actor on a Star Trek show is not very Star Trek philosophy. World needs more Spock’s and less Kahn’s.
Kate Mulgrew Defends ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ And Captain Ake From “Disrespectful” Online Attacks
Submitted 3 weeks ago by hopesdead@startrek.website to startrek@startrek.website
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AlanWake2112@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
For the record, if anyone reading this is that sort of person, you can save us a lot of time and just go away now.
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I feel like calling Captain Ake “mumbles” is right up there with calling Picard “baldy”. I get the feeling we’re dealing with the kind of people who think one of those things is okay and the other isn’t.
DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s pretty stupid to pick on Holly Hunter for her trademark.
CptEnder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even Kahn respects his enemies! These cave dwellers need to fuck off.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
A lot of deleted posts in this thread. Wonder what that was all about.
hopesdead@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I haven’t seen STA yet, but it seems like, with a few exceptions, the most recent Star Trek has always been controversial, since The Next Generation. I feel like Enterprise deserved it the most, and SNW escaped most of it. Discovery probably got it the worst? Though TNG was by far the least deserving of it.
Shadow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Which I find kinda surprising, since I would call SNW fairly “woke” if you actually pay attention to the show. Maybe it’s just because it’s a male captain set in the TOS era, and it’s a more traditional trek show?
DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
SNW is a good balance. Discovery on the other hand, was way too emotional for me. Where is STSA on the crying-every-other-scene scale?
Little8Lost@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I dont like DIS because it does not feel very trek to me with the ugly klingons and the overall dark stories and characters. Also (like PIC) its very storyline so i cant really just jump into an episode and be happy (or unhappy, whatever story the episode is)
On the other side i think SNW is what should have been the first series after the pause after ENT. Its hopeful, most episodes can be watched alone and it still has a background story like VOY. And like every trek its woke.
I think that PIC would have gotten a similar (smaller?) shitstorm compared to DIS if that was the first after the pause. LD maybe too but less for the quality and more because its animated. And PRO for feeling more nicelodeon than trek (or rather a mix)
If DIS came just later than others it would have probably been either more liked or at least ignored like a lot ignore PIC or Short Treks
isosphere@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
IMO “woke” is a red herring when it comes to criticism of newer star trek. Some people hate things for this reason, but it obscues a more interesting discussion.
The real dimensions of value are the writing, the vision, what each series considers “action”, etc. I think it’s a distinction between what you’d expect from a Star Trek movie and a Star Trek TV show. They’re for different audiences, and I think Discovery, STA are going for a much wider market appeal (in varying degrees) and it changes the narrative structure, pacing, etc. I think they’re exploring the audience space with variations on Star Trek themes to grow the francise, and sometimes it’s to the detriment of what some people like about Star Trek - and sometimes it brings in new people.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
snw is actually quite less “woke” than STD, std has all no-men crew by season 4, it was pretty obvious, and the lgbtq+ people have largely been marginalized by that time too, after they served a purpose in season 1.
Kirk@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Discovery probably “got it the worst” because it came out during peak gamergate-era politics. Online fandoms were weaponized and radicalized into right-wing culture warriors. Discovery is easily the least preachy of any Star Trek series but because it had a black woman in a leading role it became an obvious target for ragebaiters to make stuff up about.
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Ironically my biggest issue with Discovery is that it’s pretty right-wing with its CIA stand-in apologia and blatantly militaristic style in Seasons 1 and 2 at least.
That and the sheer degree of melodrama. Every episode needs to have scenes of at least one or two characters in total anguish. It just wears me down compared to other Treks.
sanzky@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
it is also the series that had to define what Trek was in current times. It took it a few seasons and the later shows used a lot of that lessons. it might had a lot of problems, but I dont think it was for a lack of trying.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
STD was the most PREACHY of the series and they did pretty poorly, you know where it was the most obvious, targeting specifically 2 demographics.
T156@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Discovery definitely feels like it, especially since you have people still arguing quite animatedly about how it’s not Star Trek, and might have Ruined Star Trek Forever, though I would rather imagine much of it to be recency and accessibility more so than much else.
The other shows are a bit less accessible, even if they are newer, since CBS moved it onto their streaming service, and off of Netflix, whereas Discovery aired on Netflix around a time when Netflix was one of the bigger streaming platforms out there, and more people who aren’t as into Star Trek or other CBS properties might encounter it incidentally.
But for the most part, every single successor to Star Trek has always been controversial, and deemed to have ruined it forever, though most of it abates when the next show comes around, and is then deemed to have ruined Star Trek forever.
Though TNG was by far the least deserving of it.
I actually wonder about that. Most of the complaints, like the ones about Stewart being a shakespearean actor who wouldn’t be able to handle the rigours of serious television, or being bald were nonsense, but there was a lot of good reasons to complain about early TNG. A fair chunk of the early episodes weren’t very consistently good.
We know it to be better in hindsight, but if The Next Generation had started today, and not only is the second episode a rehash of a Star Trek (1966) episode, but the fourth was Code of Honour? I would also be inclined to criticise it for being quite bad. There’s a good reason why a lot of the advice for people watching TNG is to stick around until Season 3, or start from Season 3, since that’s when it gets better.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 weeks ago
I think the series with the worst long lasting impact is Voyager. VOY Borg are really bad compared to TNG Borg. PRO uses TNG Borg, which is great, but LDS suffers for its VOY Borg and I heard PIC stinks because it makes VOY Borg the main villains.
encelado748@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Discovery lacked much needed love for the franchise, with lot of nonsensical, lore breaking episodes. The same is true for Picard sadly. But I am finding STSA boasting some of the best episodes for a Star Trek season 1 series so far. Star Trek was always woke, and that is why it was so loved. STSA is no more woke than Voyager was. I see lot of respect from the writers to the previous series. STSA makes me think of TNG much more often than any other nutrek series (except lower deck, but that is nearly fanservice). Being into the future you have a lot of flexibility to do something new, and I like that a lot. Nahla Ake is a different character than Picard or Janeway, and that is fine. A great character nonetheless in my opinion.
Damage@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
STSA
Noo don’t tell we chose this acronym (no corrections please) over SFA, which is 3 letters and much better
encelado748@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
No no, we did not! I simply were not sure what to use! I saw STSA, SA, SFA, STA. I wanted to be unambiguous 🤣
SA sound good to me if we use LD to be honest.
CptEnder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah I agree, there’s still some lingering odd choices from Discovery, but for the most part the ship has been set back to the right course with SNW and Academy.
phx@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I haven’t watched STSF yet but yeah there’s ton of stuff in Trek that would quality as “woke” right back to ToS, as well as a bunch of stuff that “broke” from an intellectual level.
I think my biggest issue with Picard is the latter… with the “fireworks in space” celebration (complete with sound of course) just making me want to bury my head in my hands.
It’s never been perfect, but it’s still entertaining.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
The irony is that honestly, Academy feels way less “woke” than any of the other new Trek stuff. Its way less “in your face” about everything these annoying jokers call woke about Discovery or even Strange New Worlds.
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They went for the serious serial plot but with few episodes so it was only dour and everything had to be constantly on fire
FrChazzz@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
What bugged me about Discovery was their need, especially in the later seasons, to have like an affirmation circle in the middle of a mission–frequently when there was a ticking clock of some kind. My wife and I would be yelling at the screen “this is what the debrief is for!”. SNW does this sort of thing really well. As has Starfleet Academy. I’m really digging it.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s part of a general problem where old trek is basically competence porn (everyone is ridiculously competent at their jobs) while in new Trek everyone kinda acts like a teenager. Maybe it’s a desperate attempt to appeal to a younger audience (I don’t think that actually works tho), but it certainly doesn’t appeal to fans of older Trek.
It definitely breaks immersion to have characters that have serious jobs acting like teenagers.
hopesdead@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
This is literally about people who don’t know how to do the job, being taught how to do the job.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How old do you have to be to stop swallowing your comm badge? Aren’t they all adults in the show?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I thought the captain was the one that supposed to teach them how to do the job? Why is she acting like a teenager? How are they supposed to learn how to stop acting like teenagers and take their jobs seriously if the captain is acting this way too?
Yeah it’s just a show, but characters in a show should be acting as if the world they’re in is real. It breaks immersion when they don’t.
There’s a general fear of being genuine with characters in a lot of shows and movies, and it’s gotten really old. It’s really cringey at this point.
It would be nice to have a show about people on a spaceship acting like people that are really on a spaceship that have serious jobs. It’s boring to have yet another show where it’s just people acting like youtube influencers on some spaceship sets. People that actually like vapid youtube influencers will only just watch clips from these shows, so what’s the point of trying to appeal to that crowd?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
That’s when I cashed in my mental chips.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Paramount is trying to establish a younger audience for the future of the franchise. This writing mimics the plethora of accomodations now in schools and colleges, plus the female only body positive agenda.
harsh3466@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Kate Mulgrew is awesome.
EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Seriously. I want to be Kate Mulgrew when I grow up and I’m a fully fledged adult
Skunk@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
She’s the captain and chairman, she does whatever the fuck she wants. Those losers probably won’t even make it to Starfleet pre-selection.
Also, when you love Trek, you love all of them and are happy to have something new in the IP.
Abundance114@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Also, when you love Trek, you love all of them
Mmm, it’s a bit like saying if you love gourmet food, than we’ll love pig slop.
Skunk@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
No, you can dislike some, like recently I did not like the Section 31 film.
But was I bitching about it on the internet ? No Was I happy to have another piece of the Trek universe to watch even if it was a bad one ? Yes
You give me Trek I happy to be able to consume Trek, end of story.
CCMan1701A@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
I like star trek starfleet academy for the most part. What I don’t like about the show is that I can’t watch it with my kids yet.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And hopefully you never will.
DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I haven’t watched STA. Is the captain really lounging in the chair and going barefoot?
themoken@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Yes, but in context it’s not a big deal. A lot of it is contrasting her with her peer, the chancellor of the war college, who is uptight. Ultimately, she’s less military commander, or even explorer, and more chancellor of a school full of students and in that capacity it makes more sense to generate a relaxed atmosphere. When the situation calls for it, she can be serious as well.
She just has her own style, but people want to be negative because she’s not Picard-ing hard enough or some dumb shit.
Kirk@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
On the contrary it is a big deal, it makes Ake extremely endearing and likeable.
reddig33@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just remember, Star Trek ships don’t have seat belts. Gonna be fun when someone slams on the brakes and Captain slouchy goes flying out of her chair, across the freshly waxed floor, and into the viewscreen. At least the nextgen crew knew to put carpet on the floors.
DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t even know the premise for the show… If the captain of a flagship was lounging in the chair, I would lose lock pretty fast. Apparently this is an academy and she is more like a professor?
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 weeks ago
I have an autistic friend who likes to go barefoot because it helps her sensory stuff. Chancellor Ake is good representation - she does a damn fine job with no shoes on!
vii@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
She’s a Lanthanite memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Lanthanite They tend to have certain eccentricities for obvious reasons.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
to be fair prodigy would be better than the current Nutrek series, shouldnt have let Kurtzman or whoever is a predecessor take over it.
CptEnder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unironically I think Tawny Newsome would make a fantastic showrunner. Frakes has taken her on as a sort of protege and she killed it with the witing of the SAM episode.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
HOPE THERE IS NO “protege” of kurtzman, shouldve kept the animated series that was post-nemesis arc.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 weeks ago
Prodigy is great!
heiligerbimbam@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
When I say that I don’t like how she lounges in her chair as a Starfleet captain, that’s not disrespectful, it’s just my opinion. Otherwise, the series is okay; it deserves a chance.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s what a captain does. Captains going on away missions weekly is what’s totally unrealistic. But that’s the engineered drama.
heiligerbimbam@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
Oh, really? Which other captains do that? Did Picard or Janeway lounge in their seats like 13-year-old schoolgirls? I don’t remember that.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 weeks ago
It was a long warp, she needed a book to keep her mind busy. I’d hate to have a boring dumb captain who just sits there all warp.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Isn’t that what the ready room is for? Captain chills out reads a book or whatever in a room next to the bridge, but they are ready to go out to the bridge and conduct themself formally when they get out there.
isosphere@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
It’s alright; I think I’m too old to be the target audience but that’s ok. Seems to be directed at teens.
Every scene is so busy and glossy. The robots going around bear an uncanny resemblence to the Star Wars prequels (“it’s so dense; every single frame has so many things going on”). The teen angst and romance doesn’t exactly fit into what star trek means to me, but we did get a bit of that here and there. Like in Discovery, IMO there’s too much focus on exceptional individuals and less on teamwork. To me it seems like it’s trying to be many things at once. Star Wars, Marvel, and Harry Potter mixed up in a Star Trek setting. I’m a bit sad we aren’t pretending Discovery was a bad dream, but I can live with it.
… but, there is some star trek here, and I like those parts.
krnl386@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
My thoughts exactly… I don’t think this show is for me, TBH…
CptEnder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I started viewing Academy through the lens of a YA show more than a flagship Trek series and that really helped me form a different opinion of it being quite fun. I like that it doesn’t take itself seriously like SNW has mastered and I think Ake and her XO are the best parts of the show for sure. The stressed tf out military Chancellor is pretty hilarious too.
My only real concerns, with most of Kurtzman shows, is the inconsistent writing. Some episodes are fantastic, and you can tell there’s talent in the writing room like SAM’s episode, but I feel like too often a lot of the plots just rely too heavily on who screams the most at each other and odd tangents.
I also just can’t really get behind the fact that the Federation would abandon any of its planets, much less a founding member. That being said, having the capital be on Betazed is totally a Federation move I love it. Bringing back the MACOs really feels forced and an illogical choice for the Federation to do as well. I think it could’ve worked just as easily if they had the rivalry between a more amped up Security and Science/Medical imo.
Despite all that, I’m still very happy to keep watching and enjoying the show. Ultimately I’m kinda glad it takes place in the 32nd century as its kinda a soft version of the alternate Kelvin timeline. I’d really love to see some new post-Dominion War shows imo.
Kirk@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
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Amazing
Aganim@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This begs for a response by Robert Ricardo, offering an analgesic cream for those burns. 😂
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Even a dermal regenerator is going to leave scars with that burn
amikulo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Are these people even watching the show? (probably deliberately disingenuous)
Ake sits up and also wears shoes when things are serious. It a consistent visual cue. I’d be as mad as they were if cadets were dying and she were laying back in the chair just shrugging it off, but that’s not at all what is happening. Part of her character is that she is serious only to the extent the situation requires, and I think that casual attitude makes sense for someone who has been around for hundred’s of years.
Kirk@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
Honestly? I have to assume not. I think they watch YouTube ““reviews”” of the show instead. At best, I’m sure some of them have it on in the background while they scroll rage bait on their phones.
I think it makes sense too, but even if she was only in her 60s… who the hell cares? She gets the job done, she has the respect of her crew, again, who the hell cares? The fact that male characters are seldom criticized for doing the same thing should tell you all you need to know.
CptEnder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Flawless, as always from the Captain.