Alright, where do I begin?

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I poked around a while and couldn’t find anything, I see memes from y’all all the time and the progressive nature of Star Trek has got me. I wanna watch it.

Where do I begin?

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XiberKernel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Strange New Worlds (SNW) is the single best entry point for someone new to the franchise, and that’s a black mountain I’m willing to die on. It blends modern storytelling with the classic Trek formula, and since it’s basically a pickup of the original Pilot, it’s pretty darn close do the beginning of the timeline.

Strange New Worlds offers an accessible entry point that holds the same core as The Next Generation (TNG) or the original series (TOS). There’s only two seasons so far, but if you like it and are craving more, I recommend watching TNG afterwards, and continuing that line in order of series air date (DS9, VOY, ENT).

It’s easy for many of us to recommend our favorite series, or our own entry points, but the reality is most of Trek is dated and not a good place to start for someone used to modern television.

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- Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  cries in Galifreyan
  
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The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you find old shows charming, start with the original series and just roll with it. The original series is iconic, and it’s fun to see where it all came from.

If you want a little more substance, start with Star Trek: The Next Generation. It’s peak Trek in many ways (in terms of the whole Trek philosophy and world building).

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- Corgana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is what I usually recommend, too. Also I ususally say don’t feel bad about skipping most of TNG Seasons 1&2 if it’s not hooking you right away. Algernon_Asimov had a good guide at Daystrom ranking which episodes could be more or less skippable.
  
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antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Blasphemy warning…

I’d probably start with Strange New Worlds. Then go back for TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

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- DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Not blasphemy at all.
  
  ToS isn’t good. It was decent for the time, but it’s not good.
  TAS, see above but for kids. Think the Scooby-doo show from the 60’s.
  I liked Enterprise when I watched it on tv, but not a lot of people liked it.
  
  Other than SNW the new Trek shows aren’t really “core trek” either. They each have their own style which appeals to different people.
  I wanted to like Discovery, but it seems to want to be a CW show about 3/4 of the time. We made it through the first two seasons and stopped.
  Picard: I also wanted to like it. He’s my husband’s favourite captain after all. I burst out laughing when Dahj is jumping around like a superhero in the first episode That’s as far as I got.
  Lower Decks: Not a fan of the adult-comedy-cartoon genre.
  Prodigy: I am not in the right age demographic.
  
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  - Corgana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    So I don’t want to “well ackchually” you but I was curious about your claim about TOS so I looked it up and you were wrong, it’s actually really good.
    
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- IonAddis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  For a new watcher, especially a young one, Strange New Worlds is probably the best start. It has a lot of the classic “Trek” philosophy going on, but paired with modern production and special effects, and also paired with more modern treatment of female characters.
  
  I love The Next Generation, that’s “my Trek”, but certain things haven’t aged well.
  
  I’ve been watching Babylon 5 for the first time (didn’t see it when it was actively airing), and while it’s not Trek, it was produced in the same era as TNG, Voyager, etc. and I find myself jarred by certain ways they portray characters, esp. female ones, and that same sort of stuff is present in older Trek too. Like, Crusher and Troi got absolutely cheated when it came to great arcs and such. Strange New Worlds handles its female characters much, much, MUCH better.
  
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  - antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    The Orville feels like a very good update of TNG at times. They deal with a lot of cultural drama with analogs to our current society. And upping the humor a bit helps.
    
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zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Easy. Start with The Orville, then watch Galaxy Quest.

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- OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  And if you're still a fan after that but want something more serious, watch Babylon 5.
  
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pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This sub has a wiki guiding you where to start. I followed it and decided to go with TNG first.

startrek.website/post/191295

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KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Do what you want, except don’t watch the very last episode of Enterprise. And make sure you end with “Lower Decks”, so you can enjoy all the juicy easter eggs with your fresh Trek knowledge.

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- DarkMetatron@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  There is a much better novel adaptation/interpretation of the last episode of Enterprise named “The Good That Men Do”. I can only recommend reading that instead of watching the episode.
  
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- xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yes-waiting to watch LD is the best move, even if it is one of the best shows (at least that’s what I think)
  
  You must resist the call of the siren
  
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CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It depends entirely on your tolerance for and/or exposure to the different style of older TV shows. If you’re accustomed to a slightly slower pace and a markedly lower production value, I’d recommend starting with The Next Generation or Deep Space 9 and just start binging. If the kitsch of 60s TV appeals to you, The Original Series is great, just very different in style.

Once you’ve got a dozen episodes under your belt, you’ll know whether a given series is your bag or not. But you might not like TOS and adore DS9, and so on.

Be prepared for some real stinkers at the beginning, and scattered throughout but just know that’s part of having 20+ episodes per season.

If you’d rather just catch up with the most current series, I’d say start with season 1 of Strange New Worlds. You really can’t go wrong starting there.

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- almar_quigley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is the best answer. In that there isn’t a single answer. Totally depends on what you like as a person.
  
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ClarkDoom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you’re new to Trek, start with season 3 of TNG to get your proper Trek indoctrination. Then proceed on to DS9 and Voyager and onward to the current generation of shows. If you love it after watching that then go back to the campy TOS stuff and move forward from there until you circle back on TNG season 3.

I know it sounds weird to start on season 3 of a show but if you follow this order you’ll understand why. Trek didn’t become what most fans love until Roddenberry stopped being directly involved. He was a great dude for starting the universe but he’s also responsible for some of the worst decisions and episodes of the franchise. Before people get mad about me saying this please think about all the awful skippable episodes of season 2 and 3 of TOS and the low quality TOS scripts that were recycled in seasons 1 and 2 of TNG.

Also a pro tip for someone new, ignore anyone that says Trek ended after Voyager. Thats the neckbeard/anti-woke section of the fan base that is small but loud.

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- ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I'd just like to add The Orville to the list, somewhere after either TNG or DS9.
  
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  - ClarkDoom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’d argue you shouldn’t watch those till you’re done with the franchise for them to be at their maximum entertainment potential. A lot of the reason Trek fans love those 2 properties is because we have years of familiarity with what’s being parodying and being paid homage.
    
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tpihkal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I’d say just watch Star Trek: Enterprise and call it good.

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- ClarkDoom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This person definitely has faith of the heart.
  
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- HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  OP said they want to watch a progressive Star Trek
  
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- grayman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is definitely the most approachable for a non trekkie.
  
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  - CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    But also the least representative of what Trek as a whole is like. Enterprise is on its own frequency.
    
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SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
OG Star Trek, Star Trek: TNG, DS9 and Voyager are the beating heart of Star Trek as far as shows. After that is Enterprise, Picard, Strange New World’s and Discovery for live action and Lower Decks and Prodigy for animated. I only have opinions on Enterprise and Prodigy. Enterprise completly skippable. Prodigy seems good but haven’t gotten through much of it yet.

For movies there are six movies that take place in the OG Star Trek era (I like all the originals personally but some are unliked by fans).

Then there are four movies in the Star Trek: TNG era but Insurrection and Nemesis, the last two, are generally not well liked, but views could have changed with time. (I enjoyed all these as well)

(All ten of the above Star Trek movies were my childhood and therefore have a lot of nostalgia for them. So my views are skewed.)

After that you have the reboot movies which are completely skippable (my recommendation). I watched the first one and was so nonplussed I never bothered with the others. Also, J.J. Abrams is involved in them so if you like what he does you may like the movies. Personally he’s on my shit list with M. Night and avoid any projects involving them.

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Bebo@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I am very new to star trek. Started with TNG. Fell in love sometime around season 2 or 3. After finishing that, I am now enjoying Voyager. I have watched a few episodes of DS9, in the meantime, will get back to it after Voyager. Also loving Lower Decks and SNW. Fun fact, I actually watched couple of seasons of Discovery before watching TNG and found it so so. After falling in love with TNG, couldn’t stand it.

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Cagi@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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- HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  and God is real
  
  Lots of gods are real in Star Trek. Like Kukulkan.
  
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sehqlr@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
medium.com/…/star-trek-the-next-generation-in-40-… I’d start with this!

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- mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  This depiction of the future feels impossible in 2015.
  
  Hey good news, buddy, that cynicism is about to get extremely vindicated.
  
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OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Liking Trek means being good at coming up with and/or accepting established fan cannon explanations and excuses for why stuff happens, as often it makes infuriatingly little sense otherwise.

DS9 is the strongest of the older shows in my opinion and gives a really good grounding for the politics of the Federation and unfederated alien races involved, while having enough plot and action to be interesting.

It still has a lot of bad acting and poor writing (especially in the first few seasons, ugh) and it's practically a radio play for seasons at a time though, so be warned.

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mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Episodic television from the linear broadcast era means you can jump in damn near wherever and it’ll be an okay time. Usually. Deep Space 9 has more ongoing storylines and every series has some episodes people just haaate. The Next Generation has half of its what-were-they-thinking episodes in the first season. Nonetheless I’d recommend TNG as the starting point, because it has the right mix of grandeur and restraint.

The Original Series is technicolor sci-fi horror dressed as episodic space exploration. It’s campy and melodramatic and by god does it know it. Some episodes were blatantly “what’s available on the back-lot next month?” and are a coin toss between stupid and incredible.

TOS had some movies (roman numerals) and they range from “what if an episode was three hours long” to “modern-day San Francisco zoo heist.” At their best they’re fun and at their worst they’re even more fun.

The Next Generation is high-concept ethical debate framed as the experiences of naval officers. The cast is seriously talented and the writing is usually excellent.

TNG had some movies (bald guy on the poster) and they were written by people who didn’t like the show for people who didn’t watch the show. You have to turn your brain off, but they’re well-directed.

Deep Space 9 was a direct response to Babylon 5. it’s heavy on other species criticizing the openly optimistic and quietly human-centric Federation. It never goes full “revisionist western,” but it gets dark in places. It was also a deeply indulgent excuse to explore characters and cultures from prior Trek.

Voyager did the opposite, by yeeting a ship to the ass end of the galaxy, where nobody’s heard of the Federation. They’re just trying to keep it together and beeline back toward home. It’s the same formula as most TOS / TNG episodes, but with fresh character dynamics and new rubber-forehead aliens.

Enterprise is an origin story starring the guy from Quantum Leap, and the tone is just… weird. It’s not awful, but I’m not personally a fan. Apparently it had an ending even more disappointing than Quantum Leap, which is fucking saying something.

JJ Abrams did some reboot movies replacing The Original Series, and they’re everything you expect when reading “JJ Abrams did some reboot movies.” Great casting, though.

Discovery sounded like it got up its own ass a bit. There’s a point in any long-running franchise where the people making it grew up as fans of it, and it takes strenuous effort not to create a feedback loop of shallow fanfiction stupidity. See: RTD-era Doctor Who, numbered Star Wars sequels.

Picard sounds like season one was written exactly like the TNG movies, which is pretty far from a compliment. Season two is apparently more of a 1990s Trek reunion and I still can’t care.

Strange New Worlds sounds like it’s doing everything right, as a revival of TOS-era “wagon train to the stars” problem-of-the-week storytelling. The universe is big and weird and terrifying and we’re out there pencling in the map. Plus they pulled off a musical episode. That’s always a good sign.

Honorable mentions to Galaxy Quest, an aliens-abduct-actors comedy that is accidentally one of the better Star Trek movies, and The Orville, Seth MacFarlane’s extremely Seth MacFarlane love letter that’s honestly a pretty solid realization of the formula and absolutely knows it. Also neatly illustrating the difference between parody and satire.

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- lowvisnitpicker@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  TNG had some movies (bald guy on the poster) and they were written by people who didn’t like the show for people who didn’t watch the show. You have to turn your brain off, but they’re well-directed.
  
  LOL I’m stealing this to use as my IRL description of those films. I wish it wasn’t true, but it is.
  
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ipacialsection@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can start anywhere you want! I often recommend starting with Star Trek: The Next Generation, since it’s aged a little better than the original series. You might prefer to jump ahead to season 2 or 3 to get to the really good stuff, but even season 1 is worth watching.

Up until Enterprise season 3 it’s pretty much all episodic (or in DS9’s case, mostly episodic with a subset of the episodes forming a series-long story arc), so you can pick a random episode with a cool-sounding description and start there if you want. That’s how I got into Trek, just picking random TNG and Voyager episodes.

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xkforce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I would reccommend starting with TNG or TOS.

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ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
We do have some thoughts on this.

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iamjackflack@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you start with the new it will be hard to go back to the old. If you are not Trekkie / nerdy person, start with voyager and go newer. If you like well written intelligent shows and don’t mind it sometimes being slower, next generation is definitely the best starting point and go forward.

I’m gonna get flamed for this but I would personally skip deep space nine. Everyone loves it but I couldn’t get into it. Requires numerous episodes to be watched to latch on potentially.

Newer shows aren’t bad, but they lose alot of what made the originals great. Strange new worlds is good. Picard is ok, way different than the other shows but good. Discovery is new age and just not that great, it’s really odd after watching all the others.

Enterprise is forgettable but worth watching.

The original series is really only for the die hards at this point.

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- hallettj@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Deep Space 9 is a different animal. It’s fantastic if you like a political drama. There is less space adventure than the other series.
  
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  - iamjackflack@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    See that’s the thing. Political drama isn’t bad. Take Andor for example. That was a slower heavy politically infused and that show was amazing. I think it was extremely well written, not to say that ds9 is badly written, it’s not. It’s just missing something in my eyes to keep me captivated, can’t quite put my finger on it.
    
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lulztard@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Sadly Star Trek ended with Voyager, but you'll still enjoy it. Especially TNG and the Babylon 5 clone, Deep Space 9, which are both pretty slowstarters, but switch to Warp10 after a season.

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HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you’re a kid, start with Prodigy. If you have a tiny attention span, start with Lower Decks. If you’re used to mainstream modern TV, start with Strange New Worlds. If you can tolerate 90s TV, start with TNG season 2. If you love old TV, start with TOS.

The best entry point is going to depend on who you are. There’s lots of diverse Trek for different kinds of people.

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PutangInaMo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This was my start:

Strange new worlds (best) Picard Deep Space 9 Voyager (not a fan) The next generation (good) Back to ds9 (favorite)

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CarlsIII@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Alternate suggestion to what you might be getting: if you have an antenna for your tv, check the local antenna channels. We have one that does a block of episode of each of the first 5 live action Star Treks. Pluto TV also has a Star Trek channel that alternates between the different series. Most Star Trek is serialized so you can watch episodes out of order and not be lost.

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lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Voyager, TNG, DS9 Have watched these dozens of times. TOS for the history of it. ST - The Animated Series and Lower Decks.

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- bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Why did you put them out of order? TNG -> DS9 -> Voyager
  
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  - EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    TOS, TNG, VOY, ENT, DS9 is the way I went
    
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  - lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Just my preference.
    
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Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Watch Next Generation or a few episodes of OG Star Trek & then seeing Wrath of Khan movie.

Starting with Next Generation isn’t a bad option I think. The beginning is rough at parts but has some really good episodes in it. The series got much better after season 2. You could follow a skip list to skip over the episode that are deemed horrible on your first watch to make it all easier. It’s worth going back later to watch them though.

Deep space nine follows up an event that occured in Next Generation, so that show might be confusing till you watch NG.

Voyager is pretty much self-contained since that’s a big part of the story lol. Only thing that could be confusing would be a character that’s sorta important later on that is from NG. It isn’t much but just something to state if stuff like that bothers you.

Enterprise is a pretty okay show I think. It’s the earliest show in the timeline and mankind’s first exploration. People don’t like it for some reasons that are completely justified but it’s never been anything to stop me from enjoying it. Might be best to watch this after others because it is different.

OG Star Trek is a fun series to watch. Really episodic so you can find some of the best episodes and try just watching those. Watch 3/4 of the best (including the one was Khan) and then watch the movie “Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan”.

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julianh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The original series or next generation depending on your taste. Although be warned that TNG’s first season is rough, so if you’re not committed to watching everything, maybe pick a few episodes to try first.

Personally I watched through the entirety of TNG and then moved on to DS9, and I really enjoyed both shows. DS9 is also a direct follow up to TNG in a few ways so they make a good pair. I wouldn’t recommend watching DS9 first though since it’s so different from “normal” star trek.

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