Why does the GOP think “ANTIFA” is bad?

Submitted ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Plurrbear@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Hey, coming from a history teacher, (now, server as I make 3-4x as much) — it’s horrid! And I miss teaching every damn day! FUCK AMERICA! Here’s my questions to you.

3 parts:

1: I’m here to ask a legitimate question, if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong then why is “ANTIFA”, now made the “enemy”??? Is it because now we’re living in a “Fascist State” or, (soon to be) state?? Lack of education?? Funding for public funding programs?? Do not know what “ANTIFA” truly means?, etc.

Because as Trump stated he, “he did not know Miller during elections”: so again, Trump: “didn’t even know the writer of Project 2025… but now a member of his cabinet”? So lie right?

The definition of “ANTIFA” means anti-fascism… so people who voted for Trump, how do you feel about this? As our economy is crumbling, are egg prices better? Food costs lower, wages higher? Are you MAGA voters living an “America First” life?

2: USA FAILS on ALL educational fields by a LONG shot we don’t even break the top 30 in anything, do you think this is why we have “president” who “won again”? I just want to understand the MAGA votes views… and want to know… America is not first in anything and prove me wrong PLEASE! So please explain why anyone thinks we’re #1, in honestly anything, but ego?

3: Finally question… if you voted MAGA, has Trump ACTUALLY helped you at all? If so please give me examples and FACTS so I can get a better understanding the voting you made the country suffer through? PLEASE enlighten me and others!

Finally thought: VOTE or STFU! You do not get to complain and comment about politics when your ass was too lazy or didn’t care enough to vote! Sit down and bow out because your voice DID NOT AND NOW doesn’t matter, just like you not voting put us here!

So ONLY comment if you had/have a voice with that vote please (any vote, not just MAGA).

Thank you!!!

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Red_October@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The GOP doesn't think they are fascists. They think the term is only being used to try to deride them without actually being correct. From there, when they see "Anti-fascists" constantly opposing THEM, they think it's just some violent group that has used an ad hominem attack for their name.

It would be comparable to someone making an anti-shithead group, and then that group is always out trying to stop you from doing whatever you do. Not only would they be a direct problem for you, but the fact that they're targeting you would imply then that they're also calling you a shithead.

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TheDoozer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
So, to your first question (about Antifa), MAGA don’t consider what the current administration (or anything they support) to be fascist. Because they tend to put the conclusion before the question: “I am against fascism. I support these policies. Therefore these policies must not be fascist.”

And because they’ve decided these fascist policies are not fascist, the term “Antifa” to them is similar to “pro-life” for pro-choice people. It’s a term that isn’t exactly accurate but makes the group naming themselves look like the good guys. And in the same way that pro-choice people don’t consider themselves “anti-life” just because pro-life people call themselves that, MAGA people don’t consider themselves “pro-fascist” just because Antifa call themsleves that.

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6nk06@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong

Republicans do not agree.

If so please give me examples and FACTS

It’s a religion, they have faith which is more powerful than facts.

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- Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Which is asinine, right?
  
  Which is what?? (Religion)
  
  I am a practicing Christian and this does NOT align with any of our views.
  
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  - Greddan@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    With you already being in a cult, you should be able to empathise with these people. They believe what they believe because they’ve been told to. Questioning that comes with consequences from the rest of the cult.
    
    When someone calls you a fucking idiot for worshiping some old storm god from a long dead bronze age religion who has had more “prophets” than most people have had pimples, you know how they feel when you question their delusions.
    
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  - mikenurre@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The ‘Prosperity Gospel’ does not align with Christian views. But it exists to allow “Christians” (heavy reliance on those quotes) to believe that having immense wealth is a sign that they are one of the chosen. These are the types of mental gymnastics certain people utilize to allow horrible anti-Christian behavior. Soon enough, you see Republicans having a little prayer session before they give massive tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy while taking health care away from millions.
    
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  - DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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cyborganism@piefed.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Because they’re the “FA” part in ANTIFA

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AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Fascism is capitalism in decay. It’s what you can sell right now. A modern definition is “moral belief in inequality based on identity (race / gender)”. This is what is selling right now because the dream of prosperity with liberalism is over. Shit’s bad. So that is what the propaganda channels have been churning out, on on fox, on social media, on youtube for younger audiences. Ultimately the reason is greed for money / priviledge by people without scruples.

Check out What Is Fascism? An Excerpt From “Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It” | Truthout

It’s only going to get worse from now on.

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tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Not trolling.

But randomly capitalizing words to express your outrage is off-putting. So is pointing at your PhD multiple times when you feel defensive.

Anyway, the answer to your first question answers the rest.

Not everyone agrees that fascism is bad. Yes, it’s what we were supposed to learn in school. But our country has its own history of genocide, racism, and hate. And we largely teach that greed and stepping on others is how to get ahead. I mean, we’re taught the golden rule. But also to be successful even if it means turning a blind eye to the harms you cause.

Our unresolved racial and genocidal karma is also very easy to tap into when folks are scared or feeling stepped on.

Which makes it very easy for a demogague to make the case, you know, maybe fascism isn’t that bad.

Couple this with billion dollar propaganda machines and a lack of critical thinking skills taught by religion and in our education systems, and most folks on the right don’t realize that anti-antifa is logically pro-fascim. And the rest don’t care as long as they get theirs and the right people get hurt.

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shittydwarf@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They are FA

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Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Because the GOP knows what they've become. Which are Fascists, pretending to have morals.

For everytime they allow Trump to do whatever he wants, they are fully in complicit.

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phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Fascists don’t believe that fascism is bad.

And I guess that’s correct when you’re a narcissistic psychopath whose in charge.

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kepix@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
propaganda based on classic mussolini style hate. you pick the opponent who doesnt want you to ruin everything, and advertise them as evil.

are you really a history teacher?

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- Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  No, they are a server now. If an ex history teacher has to ask this then server was likely a good career move.
  
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  - Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I became a server again because I can make almost $5k a month with WAY less hours!! And then I don’t have to deal with people and parents like you all pretending everyone ELSE is wrong and “stupid” for asking questions and telling people how fucked up they are via internet when probably have nothing valid to offer society!
    
    I am happy with my choice, I make so much more money since the American education system is GARBAGE! We do not even rank the top 25-30 in ANYTHING world wide! Hence why they keep cutting funding, keeping Americans dumb… corpo owned media, trolls on the internet, “news stations” but truly a version of “The View”, TikTok/FB for “news” etc. it’s honestly embarrassing!
    
    Have a great day and keep trolling on! ✌🏼
    
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ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Seems pretty obvious, no? Antifa is left-wing and the GOP is right-wing. They are opposed to each other on just about everything.

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- nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s more than that dude. Antifa is the perfect boogeyman for the right because it’s left wing, but also not and organization. Who is the leader of antifa? Where are they based? Who do you have to kill to eliminate antifa leadership? How does someone become a member of antifa? These questions have no answers because antifa is not an organization.
  
  Those are also questions that the right wing media machine works hard to get their audience to never ask. That way, by demonizing antifa, they can use force against anyone because anyone they don’t like can be declared antifa, because no one can disprove their membership, because “antifa membership” literally isn’t a thing.
  
  It’s carte blanche to do whatever they want.
  
  It’s honestly just another symptom of Fox News brain rot. Their audience is trained not to ask any relevant questions. It was always going to end badly.
  
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  - shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yet another item Democrats should be screaming about.
    
    “How is this administration so inept they can’t point to the leader of antifa? You mean to tell me that with the full force of our federal intelligence apparatus, they can’t name a single antifa ring leader?! These guys are so pathetic they can’t even tell us what antifa stands for.”
    
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Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Antifa has been branded by the GOP as a group that does not follow a specific ideology purely focused on fascism, they’ve been marked as a “dangerous, violent, leftist (important point) group.”

The politicians are using the antifa boogyman as a political tool and the MAGA supporters are just opposing a group they see as “leftist terrorists.” In their eyes it has nothing to do with any kind of “legitimate” resistance to fascism so they’ll outright reject the notion that being against Antifa means your for fascism.

They’ve been conditioned to absolutely loath anyone on the left with the most pure burning hatred, so in using the qualifier “leftist” in their description they invoke the thought terminating process, leftist means you hate them without thought, and antifa is now a label you can put on anyone you want to persecute. The “base” may have been conditioned to despise “the left,” but I think we’re still at the point where the right can’t simply say “we’re arresting them because they’re Democrats” so they need this “dangerous terrorist group” to exist as the enemy.

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- subignition@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  yeah, unfortunately expecting them to understand what fascism means in any sort of complex way is giving them too much credit
  
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- Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  THANK YOU! This helped me understand so much! I am just trying to wrap my head around what’s going on currently and what happened in history and how it’s melting together, so honestly thank you!
  
  I appreciate you not attacking me and being religion into it and just explaining it to me in reality and to the point. So seriously, thank you!
  
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  - ethaver@kbin.earth ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah I lurk around r/conservative and hubs still lurks on the remains of Twitter just because we both a) can't look away and b) think it's important to understand what's going on over there.
    
    I usually see stuff said like "they're not actually antifascists that's just a misdirection to cover their real fascist ideologies." Which is a genuine strategy in political propaganda. People use all kinds of labels to cover up all kinds of awful shit.
    
    Really the only way around that is to focus less on labels overall and focus more on individuals and either thoughts on or even more importantly actual specific real world actions. I don't know what political label people would put me under.
    A lot of my local politicians last year were listed independent. I picked the one that wanted to expand the bus lines. I think a fetus is a human being but that it doesn't have a right to use a woman's body without her continuous consent. I think the rich have broken a bunch of the social contracts they made to avoid bloodshed and that something bloody is inevitable more than it even is desirable. I'm thinking that next time there's political unrest in my area I should just sit on an out of the way street corner with a sign that says "RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES."
    
    Dunno what any of that makes me but I'd like to find more of us if possible. Sometimes labels help that, sometimes they don't. Wish I had a better or cleaner answer fire you.
    
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darthelmet@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think this sub may be wrong. There are some stupid questions.

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- Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Why “QUESTIONS” should NEVER be in question but ANSWERS to said “questions” speak VOLUMES!
  
  Have a great day knowing, you provided NOTHING but a troll response to a valid question!
  
  Cool story… keep on keeping on with your “comments” 🖕🏼 do better!
  
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thericofactor@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The GOP also has issues with DEI, which stands for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.

Their followers are either not smart enough to realize, and will parrot what they hear, and thereby spread more hate, or they’re willingly malevolent.

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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Because they are the “Fa”

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- JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Still waiting for the fo… This version of America sucks.
  
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Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
because they’re PROFA

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Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If you’re anti-Antifa, you’re fa, as in fascist. It’s really as simple as that.

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unmagical@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The people in charge dislike Antifa because people who align under that label oppose those in power.

I hesitate to use the argument “‘Antifa’ means ‘anti-fascist’ therefore if you don’t like Antifa you are necessarily fascist”–not because I don’t believe it’s true, but because I believe it’s more correlation. The “National Socialist” party was not as its name purports, nor do many of the “Protect the children” laws actually do what they say on the tin; therefore a deeper inspection on acts, means, motives, and results is warranted over a mere “literal definition of the name.”

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- mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Thank you for saying it so I didn’t have to. It’s so disappointing to see people on “my side” say dumb crap like “wait so if ur anti antifa that means ur calling urself fascist haha 🕵️‍♂️🕵️‍♂️🧠 Q.E.D republikkkan”. Like fuck me. Just like you said it’s the same shit as Republicans saying “oh you’re socialist??? Google what Nazi stands for sweaty 🤭🤗”
  
  You’d think people would learn not to use shitty reasoning when it’s used against them. But it seems like instead people only care that the reasoning is bad if it contradicts them. And as soon as they want to throw things at their enemy they’ll pick up whatever flawed garbage they can, not worried about how it reflects on them or how if undermines the state of reasonable public discourse. Any weapon is valid as long as it’s used against the Enemy. So disappointing.
  
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  - Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Thank you both! This is the answer I was trying to get and understand, nothing about religion, I get that but seriously cannot fathom or understand people hating “Antifa” when it WAS (previous) and anti facism group and I know groups can get morphed but seriously… how is that okay?
    
    I am not trying to talk religion, I was just legit asking a question and on the attack of religion.
    
    So honestly thank you! I have a better understanding!
    
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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Exactly, just because you oppose ‘The Democratic Republic of North Korea’ doesn’t mean you’re anti democracy.
  
  People hide behind fake names all the time, Antifa seems more anarchist than anti-fascist to me.
  
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OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Everyone (pretty much) agrees that fascism is bad, but Antifa is a movement that means more than anti fascism. Antifa is branding or marketing in the same way that the anti defamation league is, or like the patriot act put a certain spin on a bill that stripped privacy rights from citizens. Groups use branding to gain power and aren’t all encompassing as to their motives or actions. In the case of antifa it’s less of an actual organization and more of a rallying cry that gets used for a wide variety of people with different motives, and it’s detractors point to a wide variety of actions or intents (real or imagined) when criticizing it.

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bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Maybe everyone outside the GOP should start using the full name instead of “antifa”. “the anti fascists are the enemy” doesn’t sound the same way.

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mhague@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Because maga are human and they have similar capabilities to us.

For example, I know you know that they are often draped in Christianity, patriotism, etc. Does that mean we’re all anti-christian and anti-american?

They learn to associate us with certain labels. And then they learn new labels in the context of labels they’ve internalized. Antifa means a bunch of things that mean a bunch of things that mean a bunch of things.

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blave@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
because the GOP is the “fa” in “Antifa”

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52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think it is because people who identify as antifa are usually more than just opposed to fascism. They also promote a set of political opinions beyond opposition to fascism. Those political opinions are unattractive to many people who dislike both fascism and antifa.

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- Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Thank you! I feel like I was just attacked for my religion, when it had nothing to do with it! I legit had to comment something I never wanted and I just don’t get people! Just because I believe something doesn’t make me part of a “cult” and believe what they believe…
  
  That’s for the true MAGA CULT to believe and follow as this illegal held a Bible upside down for a photo op! (His family dodged a war, just like his father ass self). How dare they judge me while I am just trying to understand and never mentioned religion!!!
  
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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
they can frame antifa as enemy terrorist of the left, eventhough its not even a unified organizaiton like most terrorist group and its not even a terror group.

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weaponG@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Opposition should be labeled and then cancelled. Oh wait, isn’t that what the left was criticized for?

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Linktank@lemmy.today ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Anybody who argues against you is going to take bad faith arguments because they don’t actually care about right and wrong. They are stupid sportsball people who have “Picked a team” based on their feelies and nothing short of personal consequences for any of them will change their minds and usually not even then.

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- Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Thank you, I just had to comment about religion when I felt like that was nothing in my questions, I did feel like I was on the attack when just trying to understand why history is repeating itself sadly when we have “great education” in America. So thank you! You helped me so much!
  
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Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Antifa is a misleading name, just like “The Democratic Republic of North Korea”

They might be Anti
-Fascist, but it’s not that simple, IMO they tarnish the name

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- dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Can you point them out? Name one?
  
  Nee, want jy is 'n ouskool pre-94 wit-Afrikaner.
  
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  - Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They are often involved in riots, looting and violent protests.
    
    Tsek, ek is born free en als behalwe ’n ouskool Afrikaner
    
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- AyuTsukasa@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They aren’t an actual group. There’s no leader or meetings. That’s like putting everyone who hates candy corn in a group and saying it’s an organized faction to destroy candy corn.
  
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  - Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Ok look it’s simple I am against fascism.
    I’m also against violent protests, looting etc.
    
    Antifa is very often involved in violent protests, looting etc. So I can’t support them
    
    And I feel they give people who oppose fascism a bad reputation
    
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vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Some or even most of their goals are good, but there’s what I believe to be a fringe that’s anarchist and anti-capitalist. Those fringes are against civilization essentially.

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