This should be illegal

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• KpntAutismus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  you will own nothing and you will be happy.

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  • RyanHeffronPhoto@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It was a free 'game' that was little more than a tutorial 🤷‍♂️

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    • brawleryukon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not like it’s never happened to paid full games before.

      *cries in Battleborn*

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    • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No it’s the great cleansing where… checks notes… billionaires crush the working classes by taking away their free virtual pets?

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• Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the natural progression of the games-as-a-service model. Any game that relies on online support of some kind just to function will eventually cease like this.

  Is it stupid that a vr game about a pet relies on online support to function? Absolutely. But it is what it is. Buy more offline games.

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  • vox@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    drg is technically game as a service right? it works fully offline are relies on local save files and steam networking for lobbies

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    • KreekyBonez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      game that doubles as a service? beats me.

      DRG is also a unicorn of a game

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  • kolorafa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGszw0KubQ

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• emax_gomax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Game preservation is dying because of DRM. You want games you can still play in 10 years, pirate that sht and donate to those keeping up the good art of game cracking. It’s either that or buying remakes a decade later that are just thinly reskinned. I can live with sht like denuvo since newer games just remove it after a year and then I can buy it. Storefronts like uplay or egs that are dependent on a malignant profit only entity are at best mid-term rentals and at worst spyware you have to pay for the privilege to use.

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  • twoface_99@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Furthermore, if you don’t want to pirate: Buy your games on GoG. They are DRM free and you don’t need the launcher to play (GoG Galaxy is amazing though btw)

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• spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You touch anything from Meta with a 10 foot pole, you deserve whatever comes your way.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not like this phenomena is limited to the Quest or Meta. It happens all the time across the whole industry.

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    • Classy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Google

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  • Liz@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or we could make shitty behavior illegal so that people don’t have to vet the ethics of every company they interact with.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Complete agree. Disgusting evil company. Fuck Facebook

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• sparr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My proposal is for a mandated label on software and hardware to indicate that it will stop working when some online service goes offline.

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  • Darkenfolk@dormi.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And then what? Corporations will just slap a disclaimer on their products informing you of said condition and that you need to agree, understand and accept these terms and conditions and call it a day.

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    • UFO64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Aye, but forcing them to put a clear “We support this until this date” label will make that a mandated part of their marketed.

      That or, you know, force companies to release server software when they sunset support for their product. That would also be nice.

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    • sparr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And then products without that label would gain at least a little a bit of market share. Most people still buy inefficient fridges because they are shinier, but at least a few read those yellow labels mandated by law and choose the more efficient ones.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ironically Nintendo sort of did that on physical boxes for their consoles that was actually just a download key in a cartridge

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• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This really sucks when you have to explain this kind of thing to your kids…

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• JokeDeity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve had that thought many times. I wish companies would release the source of games they discontinue instead of letting them completely die out.

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• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I bought a bunch of music on Google Play Music, forgot about it. Come back a year later and it’s all deleted because they shut the service down.

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  • WldFyre@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Your purchases didn’t migrate over to YouTube music?? I still have all the music I bought

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You had a limited time window to manually do that. I didn’t get the memo.

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    • Oaksey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I did find that some of my uploaded library got changed to different versions of songs, which I didn’t like.

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  • Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s still on your YouTube Music account.

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    • JdW@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sadly there was a pretty short grace period to do so. It should have indeed been automatic.

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• DrSleepless@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You don’t own things anymore, you just lease them

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  • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And if you can’t own anything by paying, is game piracy even theft anymore?

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  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I believe the founder and first queen of Carthage said that if we don’t learn to circumvent that, we deserve nothing more than we get. She went on to claim that nothing we have is truly ours.

    Is it just me or was that Phoenician quite a bit ahead of her time?

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• dx1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Archival is extremely important and one of the side effects of copyright schemes is that they limit its viability. The less access people have, the more likely some work becomes lost forever. I’ve seen it a few times already, with recent world, but in one or two hundred years we’re talking about libraries of art that could have been preserved but are just gone.

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  • OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pirates keep many things alive. 🏴‍☠️🦜

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  • jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s pretty insane. At first I thought damn, from now on our culture will be so thoroughly documented that future historians will struggle to parse it all, but now I can’t trust anything to last for 5 years and I can’t have copies of it, either.

    Piracy shmiracy, some random dude’s homegrown server is not an archive, and anything that fails without electricity to power it is not a copy.

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  • ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Archival projects like ours !2009scape@kbin.social

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• mintiefresh@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And this is why I have trust issues

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is why I don’t touch anything fucking Facebook does

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• iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s meta lol. It’s the devil.

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• S491@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is this made in unity?

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  • lemann@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t be surprised.

    Partner found out about the unity crap when a bunch of steam library games published updates about changes in development, at least one of which stated they’re transitioning from free to paid

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• slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Pretty big assumption that you own something digital you paid for. Let’s be honest, you paid for a license not a product.

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  • kolorafa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I concur Buyer should not gain rights to product, so they should not be allowed to profit from it, but they should be able to preserve it, unless the license that you actually buy had a time limitation, but that should be clearly stated when you buy it that you only buy access to it to (at least) X amount of time like you have with online subscriptions.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s why pirating is completely based.

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• Epicurus0319@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is why I always look for cartridge-based Switch ports of games I play, so they’ll be mine long after the online play ceases and my current device reaches the end of its product life. It also helps that game cards last longer than optical discs

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• notabot@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If people stopped renting games developers would start selling them again. Until then, the incentive is for them to keep pulling this nonsense.

  There’s a difference between a game having online elements, such as a MMO, and games that require a connection just so they can keep charging you. Even in the first case though, you should own the client, and ideally it either has a single player mode, or the developer releases the code for a basic server when they shut it down.

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  • kolorafa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s why I stated that it should be illegal to promise product while selling a undefined time limited license, there should be a clear minimum time stated when you “buy a subscription” for (single player?) games.

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    • notabot@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fair, stating a time-to-live when you’re paying might make some people think twice. At this point though, I think people need to just not be paying unless they get to keep it permanently. Paying for access to the online portion is fine, but the rest should keep working and you should be able to get your data out of the developer’s system.

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• buru5@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  the problem is that we’ve allowed this to happen. all mobile games function this way, the “rug” can be pulled at any time. all that money you spent on gacha pulls, was it worth it?

  the problem goes back innocuously to MMO subscriptions, i think. which had a valid reason for existing, but an MMO can be “rug pulled” at any time as well, thankfully most of the greats have stayed up (wow, ffxi, eq) but ONE DAY they will be gone forever, relegated to private servers only.

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• fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I must be missing something here.

  1. Company buys land, designs and builds theme park
  2. Company operates theme park.
  3. Company isn’t profitable.
  4. Company closes theme park
  5. ???
  6. Company must give away designs and schematics to theme park rides for free so people can build theme park themselves that might be in direct competition with new theme park company is trying to build???

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  • average650@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maybe I’m just missing some crucial info, but an amusement park seems like a fundamentally different thing than software.

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    • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s the designs and schematics part that makes them equivalent.

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  • provomeister@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good analogy. The battle shouldn’t be about forcing abandonware to be opensource. We should focus on DRM, it makes games almost impossible to play when servers shut down.

    OP should have compared it to other medias such as movies. When you buy a box copy, you expect it to work long after the authors/studios/etc. are gone.

    The issue is about the lack of legal ways to play older games as time moves on. It will only grow bigger in the next few years with even more games relying on DRM and online servers.

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    • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is a good distinction.

      Online only play models are difficult for the consumer. I personally don’t play that many online only games for partly this reason… and partly because I don’t play many only games at all.

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not a good analogy. Buying a one time use ticket to an amusement park is a very different thing than purchasing a game.

    A better analogy would be buying a season pass to an amusement park, which then abruptly shuts down 3 months later.

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    • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s not the analogy I gave.

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• toynbee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In theory, Ross Scott is (or at least was) trying to get something done about this. youtu.be/tUAX0gnZ3Nw?si=acNlZLK8MRqKWwgh

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• yokonzo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ll never miss a chance to shill Ross Scotts excellent video on games as a service and how wrong it is here

  My man has been personally leading the charge against this issue and has even looked into making this practice illegal

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• spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is this a Facebook game…?

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  • Knusper@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s developed by Facebook, but it’s not one of those in-browser games you might be thinking of. “Meta Quest” is their VR platform. So, while the quality might be similar, you do need to buy rather expensive gear to play this particular game…

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yup. They’re complaining about a Facebook game. No fucking shit that company will unceremoniously end support. Everyone who bought into Zuck’s vision deserves what they’re getting.

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    • NightAuthor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hope you get the help you need.

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think illegal might be a little bit too far

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I read more, and I changed my mind. I think it’s fair to require games to state a minimum time frame of support. Like say, a year. And if they cancel the game before then, you get a full refund including microtransactions etc.

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Someone is very addicted to Facebook games rofl

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  • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “You know that thing you legally purchased? We’re taking it away and you’re not getting your money back.”

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• ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “don’t worry, you can form a new 3-year attachment with Bogo 2 for just $29.99!”

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  • Norgur@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Unless we sell less of it than the arbitrary sales number we used a bunch of estimated pseudo math on to ultimately guess. Because if we sell less than that number we pulled out of our rectums with a faulty Excel sheet, we'll just shut the thing down immediately. Because, you know... fuck you.

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• CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And this is why I only buy games that I can load on a PC and play without an internet connection.

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• Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I appreciate the sentiment around preservation, but there’s an argument to be made that if you make something, you should get to decide if you want to destroy it. Banksy did something like this recently by destroying one of his pieces of art when it went up for auction.

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  • NinjaYeti76@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    @Kushan so you're saying they should be able to take your money and then destroy what you bought with out any sort of warning or compensation right? I strongly disagree with you if that's what you're saying.

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    • Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is more like if it was successfully sold at auction, and THEN banksy destroyed it after taking the money.

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    • Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No no, not at all - I agree with you, if you sell something to someone you shouldn’t be able to just take it back arbitrarily.

      However, OP is talking about forcing companies to open source something they created - and while I love open source and am a big supporter of it, I don’t think that’s necessarily right either.

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• HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why should a developer be forced to forfeit their source code just because they don’t want to sell their game any longer?

  If people focused on DRM-free games instead, this wouldn’t be an issue in the first place.

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• FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Don’t let Meta metastasize.

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• Transcriptionist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Image Transcription:

  A message from Meta Quest with a picture of quadrupedal orange alien with purple spots down its spine and large green eyes named Bogo from the Oculus Quest experience of the same name. Below the image is the text:

  “Hi Kolorafa,

  We are reaching out to let you know that Bogo will no longer be supported as of Friday, March 15, 2024. You may continue to wave at, pet, and feed Bogo on your Quest device until 11:59 PM PT on that date.

  We admit we’ve gotten attached to the little guy too! There’s still time to grab that just-slightly-out-of-reach fruit one last time. Bogo will appreciate it. And so will we. 🐾 🎆

  Thanks,

  The Meta Quest team”

  [I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

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• azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I concur

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• Ziglin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  But then how can they force you to buy a new one?

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