Some part of me hopes that the current shit show eventually reaches some sort of conclusion and all of the people that actually have real-world skill sets will get to go back to what they know how to do because the business that ran on capital will have collapsed. I know it’s an unrealistic hope. But it’s a hope nonetheless.
2025 be vibin'
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otacon239@lemmy.world 2 days ago
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Most of this is due to Xitter didn’t collapse spectacularly after only a skeleton crew were left working overtime (crunch), so others followed suit, then kept pointing at AI. What we need is strikes, building alternatives so we can actually boycott, etc.
entwine413@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Man, I hope so. I’ve been job hunting after my position with a government contractor was eliminated in February, and despite a decade of experience, I can’t even get to the first round of interviews.
I think we’re going to see a big shift towards small to medium IT/dev companies, and a ton of freelancers. I’m one of those, because I’m about to start doing IT work for businesses in my small town.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 days ago
despite a decade of experience, I can’t even get to the first round of interviews.
I’ve had several places reject me without even a phone screen. My last job was the same role, the same tech stack, and I achieved the things they wrote about in the blurb. I just get back “we’re looking for someone more aligned with our needs”.
What needs?? I check every box you put on the post!
My friend thinks the jobs don’t exist, and they’re just posted so the company looks good. Or they’re some other fraud.
I think that happens, but also there’s incompetence in the funnel. Recruiters can’t read, ai sucks, blah blah blah.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I think we’re going to see a big shift towards small to medium IT/dev companies, and a ton of freelancers. I’m one of those, because I’m about to start doing IT work for businesses in my small town.
My friend is a townie, and he does this. Actually, we’ve been musing about putting our lot in together, since I usually work for the corp outfits, except I can’t find fuck all lately in the 9-5 realm.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I see a lot of people blaming this on AI and raised interest rates.
The real reason for this stagnation is Section 174 of IRS code that was added by the 2017 tax cut bill. The section took effect in 2022 and was added to balance the budget.
This section basically doesn’t allow to deduct cost of the software engineers and they are amortized over 5 years (10 years for international engineers). This puts some strains to regular businesses, but it kills start ups, as they are required to pay taxes even when they are still not profitable and might not even pay 5 years.
Lack of start ups means there is smaller number of openings which is lower mobility. Combined with amortization, it discourages hiring new people as again it requires 5 years.
I see this being dismissed and “it is definitively the interest rates and AI” AI is nowhere close to replace software engineers, in fact from the coworkers that enthusiastically embraced it I see lower quality of code. Interest rates actually came back to what they originally were before 2008.
The hiring issues started exactly when section 174 went into effect. I think the hiring craze in 2021 was only because companies realized that with slim margins in Congress a bill won’t pass that will repeal it so they were hiring like crazy before it become a law. Indeed Democrats were trying to repeal it, it even pass the house, but it was blocked by Republicans in the Senate. Because God forbid they would help Americans and in turn let economy to look good under Biden.
cornshark@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why are all companies talking about efficiency and AI instead of creating pressure to fix easily changed tax laws?
10001110101@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I think this is only a small part. Interest rates are kinda high. VCs only want to invest in companies with AI exposure because of all the hype. From companies I’ve interviewed with, offshoring seems to have accelerated dramatically (companies only had or wanted a few US devs to manage larger Indian teams). I’ve visited career pages of companies working in the business domain I have the most experience with, and all open software positions are exclusively in India.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Good fucking god, the traitor’s handlers are just pure unadultered fucking evil.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Unfortunately I have no hope of this happening in our lifetime. Maybe the lifetime of the next generation, but with climate change on the horizon, I have little hope for that as well.
qarbone@lemmy.world 2 days ago
With climate change on the horizon, people with real, applicable skills will come around again. Because we’re all eating roach stew and 49’ing, like nasty boys in Fallout.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
wooo! comp-sci dropout! I heard way too many of you describe the kind of code that gets written under deadlines and client demands. Programming is fun, why would I want to ruin it by turning it into work?
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
A piece of advice I wish I had listened to is “don’t turn your hobbies into a vocation”.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
There are a lot of other hobbies though, and not many other careers that pay as well as comp sci. If you can turn a programming hobby into a career, you should. You’ll have enough money to find another hobby.
PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 2 days ago
I abandoned my plan to go into software development by means of university, left secondary school and took up employment in a different field.
After a bit of lateral movement and promotion to a job that was more desk-oriented, I’m doing a computing degree part time, and I actually really enjoy it.
I’m doing it for fun, because I enjoy the subject - I’ve got no plans to use it and there’s no job pinned on the hopes of passing. It’s wonderfully liberating.
That said, I appreciate I’m in a privileged position to be able to do what I’m doing.
jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
This happened to me. I did a couple years of Java web dev work right out of high school from 2001 to 2003. I used to love programming, but doing it full time completely ruined it for me. After all this time, I still haven’t even done more than start and immediately delete projects.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Me with a degree in wildlife conservation!
Yet finding work is almost fucking impossible and dealing with the bureaucracy of job hunting is so overwhelming, my unmedicated AuDHD ass cannot keep up.
uberfreeza@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah, I loved graduating with an environmental degree, and the only relevent jobs being hours away.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I expected a lot of travel for the career, I just was naive in expecting that travel to be reimbursed as it’s a condition of the job. Nope, gotta foot the bill yourself.
I have passion for this career in conservation but, unfortunately, I also have to be able to afford the cost of living.
absolutejank@lemmy.world 1 day ago
yeah pretty much. sometimes i feel like the only thing standing in the way of a job that could serve as an entry point into IT/software engineering is me. but i’ve tried everything and have gotten nothing but radio silence and rejections. i developed personal projects, cleaned up my linkedin page, networked with others that happened to be in the field when i worked retail, revised and revamped my resume several times over. my standards were low to begin with, now they’re below the floor. nothing’s come of it. i don’t know what the secret sauce is. i really don’t know what else there is to do besides succumb to neetdom and chronic dependence. my stupid ass applied for a master’s program too, i guess i’m hoping that things are somehow better once i’m finished with that. or so that i can keep telling myself that i’m the one in control lmao.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
What you’re doing is the secret sauce already, you’re just missing luck. Obviously take whatever job you need to pay rent in the meantime, but if you keep it up then I think you’ll get something eventually.
It is the worst time in all of history to be a software developer looking for work, so don’t internalise it.
glorkon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve started working in IT over 20 years ago. In my humble opinion, one of the keys is being specialized on something that not everyone else can do. Become proficient in a certain area - devops, quality assurance, security, whatever.
On top of that, try and acquire a niche skill that makes you the type of employee that’s hard to find and replace. For example, banks are really desperate to find Cobol experts because most of them are pensioners now.
I know it’s tough, and I wish you had it as easy as I did back in the days, but it’s all I can tell you, unfortunately.
yum@lemmy.eco.br 1 day ago
No way man. I thought this entry barrier was ‘only’ in my country. We are all on the same boat, then…
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
LOL, this meme has two layers, as they say “real sciences don’t need “science” suffix in the name”
cornshark@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I went to school for Rocket
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Can you actually get a degree in rocket science? I feel like the closest would be aerospace engineering.
join@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Computer science and programming are two different things. Computer science started as a branch of mathematics, looking into calculability: what problems can a computer even solve. I had a course on algorithms by a professor that had never programmed a line of code in his life, everything he did was in pseudocode.
Lussy@hexbear.net 2 days ago
They really love to have it both ways. ‘Oh, I’m a scientist, not some antiintellectual engineer’ and ‘Here’s why I’m an engineer even without a license, I’m not some poor lab rat academic’
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Computer degree
Outsider9042@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
Got a degree in not a real science to do not real engineering.
Carl@hexbear.net 2 days ago
Been feeling this way doing rideshare the past couple of weeks. So many college kids and their wealthy parents going out partying and me with my degree and years of experience driving the cab.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 2 days ago
The roasting I got the one time I put the box in front of the wrong house and the lady was there to see it.
doggirl-cry I know what electrons do in transistors
Carl@hexbear.net 2 days ago
Oh man, i would fukken EXPLODE. I haven’t had to do this yet (knock on wood) but i stg if anyone’s ever rude to me in my own car I’m kicking their ass out, don’t care where or when or how much money their ride’s worth.
lil_tank@hexbear.net 2 days ago
Few years earlier it would’ve been a humanities degree, now it’s your turn “learn to code” bros comfy-cool
KingJalopy@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I need that emoji on my phone keyboard that’s super cute
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
Me, the janitor behind corner guy:
“They probably think I’m low-key good at math.”
Dialectical_Idealist@lemmygrad.ml 1 day ago
It’s not your fault.
Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Minnie Driver eyebrow waggling
Lussy@hexbear.net 2 days ago
Possibly the best rendition of this meme I’ve seen, shut it down
Toes@ani.social 2 days ago
That’s my life currently 😂😭
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 days ago
I haven’t seen couples dancing like that in awhile.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
Yeah that’s like how I dance with my cat lol
andybytes@programming.dev 1 day ago
Go get your dick wet its easy… You might have to lower your “standards”…
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Get it lower… even lower… alright, low enough to reach that American Standard.
andybytes@programming.dev 1 day ago
Yet they think they are gonna be anything with that business administrator alpha delta phi dum dum degree. Would you like you hogslop on the floor or on a bed of rice with a nice glass of aged 30 year pee? Dreams yeah they got em. Dreaming dreaming away.
trubedour@midwest.social 1 day ago
what
tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 1 day ago
This is basically my job site, we all have degrees of some kind and the customers are constantly on us about being uneducated cuz we’re in retail since coupons didn’t go the way they wanted them to.
Lenins_Sabocat@lemmygrad.ml 1 day ago
qarbone@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why would you do this to me
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Me, with a degree in informatics engineering working in data science for almost 3 hears on my third world country: How the fuck does an uneducated burger flipper in the US/Europe earn as much money as a congressman 😭😭😭
gndagreborn@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Vibe coding you mean
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Haha! Funny meme, with no real world connection!
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aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Found the computer-science major.