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• Junkers_Klunker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Im far from “woke” but damn it creeps me out when people use female instead of woman, not that the word itself is creepy but because all the people ive seen use it were massive creeps

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  • Mang@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ever heard of english being a second language?

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    • lemann@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I got curious after reading this, and had a mess around in a translator with various words used to address ladies in different languages.

      For french at least, “Woman” turned into “Wife”, but “Females” stayed the same. Assuming the translator I used is any good, I can see there why a french speaker would call a lady “Female” instead of “Woman”

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    • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      English is my second language and man and woman is taught earlier than male and female

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    • sneezycat@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think “men” and “women” are taught waaaaay before “male” and “female”.

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  • ZILtoid1991@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    "Men and fffffffffffffeeeeeeeeeemmmmaaaaaaallllles."

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    • blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly this. People often use “female” because it’s a dehumanizing word.

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  • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only when it’s men and females. Like, dude, if someone speaks like that you know they’re a huge incel

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  • Th4tGuyII@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah. It feels weird to say even ironically. Woman, lady, lass, bird, even girl wouldn't have made this sound half as weird...

    Though we are talking about a post of a guy trying way too hard to stare at a woman's backside, so it was gonna be weird from the offset.

    Was a permanent ban too much? Maybe, but I wouldn't call anybody a snowflake for getting a weird vibe from the OP here

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  • blargerer@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think entirely phonetically so struggle with spelling. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a word for this but I don't know it. Some words like woman vs women really mess with me, because at least in my accent, the ending of the word doesn't change, its the beginning of the word (which doesn't change spelling). As a consequence I get them mixed up all the time in text. I switched to using female/male so I could consistently get the spelling right. Its extremely annoying that some redpill bullshit or w/e then co-opted the use of the word in some dehumanizing way.

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    • Khanzarate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Totally is BS. You could switch to lady/ladies. It’s a bit old-fashioned, but isn’t automatically being taken that way. Dunno if that helps you but if it doesn’t help directly then at least you could then remember that more letters means more people, so ladies is plural.

      You could also go full gender-neutral and just use person/people. Doesn’t help if you need to specify they’re women, but I bet most times you wouldn’t actually need to do that.

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  • solidsnake2085@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I was in the Navy, we got it drilled in our heads in Boot camp that we had to say Male and Female. Literally we would have to scream “MALE ON DECK” when entering a female’s berthing or the opposite when a Female entered a Male berthing.

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• Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The ban is a bit over the top but your choice of female instead of woman is strange. No one talks like that.

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  • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maybe not everyone is a native English speaker who can sense the difference in nuance between words which are essentially synonyms.

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    • noahkamara@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Never heard a non-native speaker say „female“ When you learn the language that’s a term you’ll learn after man and woman because it’s usually only used in scientific or academic context

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  • Chariotwheel@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Oh, some people talk like that, but don't ask what kind of people or OP will be upset.

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    • GONADS125@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Incels that probably belong in cells…

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    • nxfsi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Brown people?

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  • BrownianMotion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “a bit”? This is totally out of control, and the mod should lose all privleges, to being a mod.

    the other part is a person whom speaks english as a second language. Its not always a clear translation, particularly with English since the language is bastardised from many languages, and many “grammar rules” can be broken, by our own design.

    As a mod you should be amenable to that.

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    • Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oddly enough ESL speakers don’t make this mistake as often as native English speakers in my experience.

      I say “a bit” because frankly reddit is not known for having reasonable mods.

      I am a mod only because I started the Warhammer community but sadly I haven’t had the time to grow it and have failed to attract active users or volunteer mods.

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      the other part is a person whom speaks english as a second language. Its not always a clear translation, particularly with English since the language is bastardised from many languages, and many “grammar rules” can be broken, by our own design.

      It isn’t even incorrect English. If you look up female as a noun, in the dictionary it says:

      female noun:

      1. An animal that can lay eggs or give birth to babies; a plant that can produce fruit
      2. (formal) a woman or a girl

      As for why English has two words for it, it comes down to its mixed roots: female has a Latin root and came into the English language via French. It’s ultimately derived from femina, which is Latin for woman. The word woman comes from the proto-Germanic wiban, which originally means wive, which itself coincidentally has the same proto-Germanic root.

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• yyyesss@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  nah, good ban. calling women “females” is creepy, non humanizing and weird. like you’re referring to an animal in a zoo or something. you complaining about it here seems pretty snowflakey

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  • lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Banning is a bit much though. Remove the post and let OP resubmit. Unless OP was beimg an ass about it.

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s a pretty sensible argument to be made for nipping problems in the bud

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  • ruford1976@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    but aren’t females also human?

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    • hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Women necessarily are human, but “females” assuredly are not. If someone refers to “a female” they are most likely referring to an animal, likely livestock. They could also be referring to a particular type of electronics adapter or something along those lines, though. They’re probably not talking about an adult human woman.

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    • Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you will find that not all females are human, see female ducks, female turtles, female elephants etc.

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  • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thinking it’s fair to ban someone for the use of the word “female” seems even more snowflakey tho

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  • porkins@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Adding a heading to a picture or article is a form of classification. It actually should qualify as an acceptable use-case in the same way that I would identify the contents of slide. “A female is seen doing blank” is purely scientific classification. I think that the mod is being anti-science. The ultra-left is a bit regressive.

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  • WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you ok with calling men “males”?

    People forget that there are also girls, teenagers and possibly other variants you may want to specify (plus all the male ones etc.).

    By using female/male you cover those bases.

    Besides, have you never seen internet posts like in AITA or such using F/M?

    Never mind all the professional language (e.g. “military age male”).

    Just, come on. Getting insulted over bullshit.

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• skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Reddit is clearly racist against the Ferengi!

  Three Star Trek Ferengi looking into the camera, captioned with the word “feeeeeeemales”

  Seriously though, I’ve never heard anyone use “female” rather than “woman” without incel undertones. Maybe there’s some regional dialect of English where this is acceptable behaviour? Or maybe it’s just non-native English speakers? Either way, if the user has been warned before, I don’t disagree with the mods here.

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  • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you serious?

    You’ve never heard say “female athlete”? Because saying “woman athlete” is absolutely fucking Neanderthal.

    You can’t just swap every instance of female for woman. Same applies for male/man. It’s basic grammar at this point.

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    • Burnyoureyes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re misunderstanding a little here. The issue is not with using ‘female’, the issue is with using it as a noun. ‘Female athlete’ is fine. ‘The female’ is not.

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Female as an adjective, is fine, sure. Female as a noun, no.

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    • hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Pretty sure they meant “as a noun” since almost nobody complains about the use of female/male as adjectives. The OP had it used as a noun, after all.

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    • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Female in female athlete is an adjective, not a noun

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  • WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    TIL all doctors, military, police etc. are incels.

    Are you ok with calling men “males”?

    People forget that there are also girls, teenagers and possibly other variants you may want to specify (plus all the male ones etc.).

    By using female/male you cover those bases.

    Besides, have you never seen internet posts like in AITA or such using F/M?

    Never mind all the professional language (e.g. “military age male”).

    Just, come on. Getting insulted over bullshit.

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    • ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We’re talking about a creep staring at women and a creep posting photos to reddit, not a doctor treating a patient or a scientist studying people. We’re not talking about someone filling In a form oor using an abbreviation. We’re not talking about technical writing. You can’t just remove context and pretend like the situations are the same. Any language loses meaning without context. Your argument is meaningless because you ignored context. That context is incels using the word female to objectify and dehumanize women and as a dog whistle to call other misogynist pedants to their defense.

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Besides, have you never seen internet posts like in AITA or such using F/M?

      I think in those cases they refer to the adjective female and not the noun.

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  • FireTower@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My understanding is that female refers to the gender while woman refers specifically to an adult of the aforementioned gender. As in you wouldn’t call a 3 year girl a woman and you wouldn’t call a 90 year old woman a girl, as girl carries a diminutive connotation compared to the more apt term woman.

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you ask someone to babysit your little female, you’re probably gonna get weird looks, I don’t think female works as a way to reference children.

      Female may work as an encompassing term for girl and woman, but it’s rarely practical to refer to a particular member of that combined group except for technical works like research or maybe police reports.

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    • PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sex.

      Female and male refer to sex.

      Sex is what is between your legs.

      Woman and man refer to gender.

      Gender is what’s between your ears.

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  • bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a reason why the Ferengi use “female” as a noun. But some people don’t seem to understand that. When I heard someone use the word “female” as a noun they either are:

    × reffering to animals × sexist × talking about some incel shit × a capitalist race in Star Trek × trolling

    or speaking english not that well.

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hope nobody thinks the Ferengi use “female” out of respect, their whole “women must be naked at all times and are not allowed to work” attitude is kind of a clear sign that they’re not exactly a feminist society. Every scenario where they say “female” they’re either sexist or creepy.

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    • RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or using the term to refer to a genetic female, for example in a medical context.

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  • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve never seen someone on the street calling women “females”, I wonder why…

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• OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oh wow, we have reached this point in time. Some people tried to explain but nobody seems to care. I too use female/woman interchangeably, English is not my main language and personally I don’t see any of the 2 words as demeaning or one better than the other. You do realize the rest of the world doesn’t speak English at a native level so they might use words without attaching some hidden meaning behind them.

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  • sneezycat@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t worry, I’ll explain it to you:

    -Girl, women: nouns -Female: adjective

    How to use:

    -She’s a girl/woman -She’s female

    There you go.

    PS: English isn’t my first language either.

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    • RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Male and female are definitely nouns also.

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  • flicker@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As a person who has learned 2 languages besides English, let me say the idea that you would go into a place where native speakers are discussing their own language and then tell them why they are wrong because non-native speakers wouldn't see a problem with the usage of the word in their own language...?

    Certainly gutsy, I'll give you that. I can't imagine the balls to tell people speaking their native language that I, a student of their language, am learned enough to educate them on the subtle nuance of the use of a word in various contexts, but you do you I guess.

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    • OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So lemmy/reddit is the place where only native speakers are discussing in their own language? I must be an outside here, I am not talking about hypothetical situations…I’m happy for you that you speak multiple languages, so do I…

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not even sure I get what’s bad about that. Are they saying it’s anti-trans or something? I doubt many transwomen would be offended by the word ‘female’ in that context. And if it’s for sexism, that’s not really the sexist part. So I’m very confused.

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  • TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To be clear, there’s nothing wrong with using female as an adjective.

    A female customer / politician / patient / etc is perfectly fine and normal.

    The problem comes when you use it as a noun.

    Think of calling someone “a gay”, “a black” or “a Chinese”.

    You just don’t use adjectives-as-nouns to refer to people, apart from a very limited set of exceptions.

    Instead you talk about a gay, black or Chinese person.

    The same goes for ‘female’.

    And since there’s already a word for ‘female person’ - ie. ‘woman’ - then going out of your way to avoid it makes you sound like a raging incel.

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    • Sjotroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And since there’s already a word for ‘female person’ - ie. ‘woman’ - then going out of your way to avoid it makes you sound like a raging incel.

      Lol. You people are completely nuts 😂

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  • Jimbo@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s kinda like treating a woman as something subhuman. Normal people call human women, women. But you might refer to a dog as a female dog, for example. Calling a dog a woman dog is weird because their not human, just as calling a human a female is weird, it is dehumanizing.

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    • Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Calling a dog a woman dog is weird because their not human

      Wodog

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree it’s weird, but I’d say the rest of the post is the dehumanizing part. ‘Female’ just sounds like someone who doesn’t understand English very well.

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  • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Does seem oddly decontextualized, doesn’t it?

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  • ruford1976@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are they saying it’s anti-trans or something? yes, comment section is also defending OP

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Okay. I’m still confused as to why ‘females’ is anti-trans. I honestly do not get it.

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    • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nothing in that screenshot mentions trans people? And also I wouldn’t use the people who are making racist dog whistles to try and prove your point.

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  • GONADS125@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is how incels commonly refer to women. It could be a case for English as a second language, but it’s most likely an incel creep.

    Still seems a bit excessive to jump to a ban just for that word in a title tho…

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• Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m genuinely confused by what might cause one to get offended by this. Can anyone translate snowflake to English for me?

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  • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The internet has some extreme cultures. One group has taken to asserting any use of female, from a non medical professional, as a dog whistle for incels, terfs, and extremists .

    As far as I’m concerned any weaponization of common English is just evil

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It sort of has a fluid meaning, but essentially a extremely sensitive person. Sometimes one who lashes out.

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    • Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh no sorry I worded that incorrectly. I meant “Can someone translate this from [the language of] snowflakes to English?”

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• Chozo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Men and females.

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• Hazdaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That entire site is toxic as all hell.

  How many people have been banned from one sub because they posted in another sub? It happened to me, and I’ve heard it happening to a few others. It wasn’t even anything bad or offensive or controversial. It was literally just the fact that I posted in one sub, made the mods in another sub think they could ban me in this other sub. WTF? And of course there is zero recourse with those clowns.

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  • Classy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure blocking for out-of-sub discretions goes against TOS, or at least the community guidelines, but never once did I see any admin address it.

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  • Magister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Me, I think I commented a lol or whatever on political compass même, and got banned from others subs because of this, wtf?

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• trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Based modteam on reddit BTFO a weird neckbeard*

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  • blaine@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You think people should be banned from a subreddit for using the wrong synonym?

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I will use whatever words I want. :)

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• JazzAlien@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Found the redditors

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• willya@lemmyf.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Image

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• YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  U.S. Government agencies require saying male or female when referring to a person. This us especially true for military developments.

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• handhookcardoor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You deserved it op, just by judging how you’re acting.

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• OneNot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Seems like a really stupid ban. Unless you’re overly online and/or up on the latest trans discourse in the US, calling women females is at worst a little weird, but ultimately innocuous. Could easily be an ESL issue also.

  Now if there is good reason to believe OP is intentionally using it in the weird incelly way, sure that’s bad. Although unless OP is like intentionally missgendering or otherwise harassing people with the word, I personally think it’s way overkill to police it even if he does mean it in the incel type of way…

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• TheInsane42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yeah, so? Every woman is a female, not every female is a woman. Same as that every woman is human, but not evey human is a woman and that every human is a mamal, but not every mamal is a human.

  If people are offended by the truth, they should go to truth, as no truths are to be found there.

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• WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m just gonna pile on that snowflakes are stupid and deserve the same kind of treatment - blocks and bans.

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• ruford1976@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  BTW i just realized i could just copy image and paste in comment box, it automatically generates a link. that link can be pasted on URL to share photos rather than downloading that image and then sharing them from the directory.

  I think i accidentally ate 2 gummy bears this morning.

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• Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Dudes not a snowflake, he’s the entire artic circle

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