Do all there former Republican leaders endorsing Harris do her any good?

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• radix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The idea is that it gives moderate republicans a path to voting for her.

  Without the endorsements, they would feel like they’re betraying their principles and their party to vote D. With them, they can make a choice: Lots of rank and file voters will stick with Trump, but if a few party leaders, recently respected within the party, can vote for Harris, maybe that isn’t such a betrayal after all.

  Will it change the vote by 5-10%? Basically zero chance of that. But if it swings a few thousand voters in some strategic areas, it can make a difference. It’s not a strategy aimed at very many people, but those votes on the margins matter.

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• NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Its unclear how many “moderate republicans” will vote for her. In large part because it is unclear how many “moderate republicans” there actually are and it is worth remembering that folk like liz cheney and romney largely voted in lockstep with trump and the magats outside of MAYBE one or two issues that personally impact them. And it isn’t like any of the “former Republican leaders” have particularly strong support bases considering they lost to the magats years ago.

  The reality is that this is just part of the republican party trying to prepare for a post-trump election. trump supported candidates consistently lost downballot and the primaries for this election were a shitshow. maga/tea party republicans die with trump so they are making sure they can go back to reagan/bush style “We are the party of decorum and church rights. You need to meet us in the middle and let us kill just a few trans folk per day”

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  • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The scary part is now they basically can’t ever be trusted with power again. Project 25 is their platform and they’re not going to turn away from it. How can there be any path forward besides not them and how long can that be sustained?

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    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      project 2025 likely ends with trump and the magats. Because it is almost entirely based upon the idea of a POTUS who actively has no idea how government works and doesn’t want to do anything other than get headlines.

      Because under a romney or a cheney? They don’t need project 2025 because steps will already be taken. Just like they have been since reagan with the bushes gradually eroding away democracy.

      And… the reality is that it is inevitable that republicans will gain power again. Because The Left will pretty rapidly be at each other’s throats once trump is gone (just note all the Bernie Or Bust crew who still can’t shut the fuck up about the most important event in the past 8 years…). And people will lose interest in voting because they didn’t get exactly what they want.

      The hope is that Kamala actually acts and works to restore those checks and balances so that four years of a republican is four years of a mess for Democrats to clean up and not the first four years of Gilead.

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• BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Kamala came in with some lip service to progressives at the beginning and has essentially adopted bidens platform with little in the way of changes. She’s doubled down on fracking, distanced herself from the green new deal, and courted the center right (Democrat or Republican) from the DNC forward. It’s not surprising but it’s disheartening to see so many people get fooled by what has been the typical Democrat playbook since the 90s. Biden was bad optics so they traded him out. Vote for her because she isn’t trump, but don’t pretend that she’ll do anything different than follow the party line like her and everybody before her.

  If you want to make some real change go ahead and vote for the Democrat. Then stop paying attention to electoral politics. Organize in your community. Agitate for worker unions in your work places and tenant unions in your neighborhood, start a political theory reading group, organize a food drive, free store, tool library, something. Literally anything other than wasting your precious time and energy on following the clown show in DC. None of them care about you. None of them want to help you. None of them are planning to make your life easier.

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  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Republicans are not center right

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah that’s the Dems, Republicans are far-right.

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    • Teils13@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      currently most republicans are not center-right, but OP was referring to the (now narrow, but still existing) circle of center-right republicans, not to all the republicans.

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    • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Broadly I agree with you and have said more or less the same thing. But there are people who label themselves republican and fall in line somewhere closer to democrat. The two parties aren’t as far apart as we’d all like to think

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  • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Do you people realize that if you go against fracking you WILL lose Pennsylvania and then the election? There’s a reason for what they’re doing…

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    • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You people? Please enlighten me, who am I?

      Sorry that I’m maintaining some degree of this esoteric concept known as having principles. If extremely mild criticism is enough to upset you then I’m not really interested in anything you’ve got to say. Take it easy

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  • Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have the hope that she’ll end up being more progressive after votes are counted.

    Partially because she has Walz which is a good sign, but mostly I’m hoping for hopes sake. 🤞

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  • ashok36@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If your predecessor beat the guy by using platform A, it stands to reason that a pretty safe campaign strategy is to not deviate from platform A very much.

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• Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  From a game theory perspective, a trumper discouraged to vote is worth 1 vote, a flipped Republican vote is worth 2 votes.

  So the appeal to the right makes sense if it works, because every vote from that camp is also a negative vote from Trump.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    But from the other side, an endorsement from Bush and Cheney might flip some Democrats, specifically the Muslims who are already pissed off about the “helping the Gazan Genocide” thing.

    Hillary lost my vote by campaigning with Kissinger. If he escaped Hell and went on campaign with Harris I’d abstain again, no question. Maybe just an endorsement could slide but it’d have to be unasked for and she’d need to take a stance on immediate execution of zombies.

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    • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Flip to what? There’s no alternative in the US.

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• inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Can’t hurt.

  However I don’t really care what Republican leaders say at all, hopefully Republican voters probably do.

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• AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  In part it might be anticipating trouble during and after the election with Republican state officials interfering with the election process—they might be more hesitant if they see other Republican leaders supporting Harris.

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• Sundial@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  We’ll know after the election.

  It might be that these endorsements help bring in some more moderate Republicans to her side but there’s also a very real possibility that she disincentive the more left leaning voters from voting for her as well. Remember, Hillary lost because she didn’t do enough to incentivize people to vote for her. She just relied on people hating Trump and didn’t rely on people actually liking her. Regardless, this is all conjecture. It’s too early to tell and no one will have a definitive answer until the results are in and a winner is announced.

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  • kersploosh@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Hillary lost because she didn’t do enough to incentivize people to vote for her.

    Hilary got more than enough votes. She received 2.9M more votes than Trump. Her problem was that her support was much too concentrated in a small number of states. The Electoral College math punishes candidates in that situation.

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    • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      A big part of where she excelled in votes was because she spent too much time in safe states and didn’t spend a lot of time campaigning in the states that ended up being decided on thin margins.

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• Euphorazine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Undecided voters aren’t undecided between Trump and Harris, they are undecided on leaving the couch to go vote.

  So I don’t really think it’s changing the mind of voters and I don’t see it motivating people to go vote.

  Just seems like an attempt at counter narrative for “Comrade Harris”. I don’t see it moving the needle.

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  • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    …and I don’t see it motivating people to go vote.

    But it can do the opposite perhaps — “motivate” people to stay home who would otherwise vote R. Not that, in general, we should be celebrating voter apathy, but I think that some of these endorsements could dishearten folks enough that they end up abstaining.

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• zephorah@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Maybe. Republicans usually toe the line. DEMs individually fight about what the line is all the time, it’s a defining characteristic. Not so much with repubs. So, maybe.

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• vaderaj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Completly out of context, but I want to ask an important question

  I am from India, currently studying in Australia and back home I was actively involved in politics. Being involved in politics means I have to give a damn about the US, and for the first time in my life I happened to watch the presidental debate. Ever since, I have been wondering how Trump has so much following and how was he a president of your country? Not a single statement of his made sense, and not to mention how he always deviated from the topic being discussed. Can someone please explain what is happening in the US?

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  • JTskulk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think the simplest answer is that Trump “owns the libs” and that’s enough to make people who don’t follow politics vote for him. Hillary ran a pretty shitty campaign also. Trump has definitely gotten older and way more whacky so I guess we wait and see what happens in November.

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    • vaderaj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Are libs of US that naive/insane to blindly follow him? I observed that good number democrats(supporter’s) acknowledge that Kamala is not the perfect solution. Are libs truly that naive/insane?

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s difficult for at least half of us to understand as well, but the only answer is repressed anger, desperation, fear of change. People are unhappy and Trump gives them an outlet with his rants, identifies scapegoats to hate, attacks changes they are afraid of.

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    • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is the conclusion I’ve come to as well. I used to be frustrated at how stupid Trump supporters are. I would wonder how anyone could be so gullible, cynical, racist, or mysogynist as to vote for Trump. How does he get away with, even prosper, saying such crazy and harmful things? But I’ve come to the conclusion that Trump voters are just extremely unhappy. A vote for Trump is a big fuck-you to the establishment. Both parties were basically run by a modern day aristocracy. The Kennedys, the Clintons, and the Bushes are the most obvious dynasties, but they also have many, many surrogates. More importantly, they defined a kind of cursus honorum for becoming president, including all of the right schools, fraternities, clubs, contacts, donors, etc that you have to follow to move up through the various offices to get to the top. The Tea Party disrupted the Republican aristocracy, but then Trump came along and just obliterated it.

      Now, on the one hand, we can probably all get behind the idea that breaking up the aristocratic hold on political parties is a good thing. However, history has also shown that supporting populist demagogues who specialize in chaos and hateful rhetoric often leads to a bad time for the country and the people.

      These last five years are the first time in my life that I’m genuinely worried for the stability of the republic. It has been said many times by people who have lived through it that people never think civil war will actually happen until it does. And then they look back and the signs were obvious. Whoever actually wins, when half of the population is voting for a hateful chaos candidate, that’s a big red flag.

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  • howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I suspect a big part of it is that he actually acknowledged that people are having problems, while Hilary decided to go “America is already great” as if their problems aren’t real.

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There are 2 important factors.

    1. Very few people are doing their research and making a logical decision about who will best represent their interests. They will just vote for whoever their friends vote for.

    2. The way the president is elected through the electoral college means that a few states are over represented. IDK the numbers but for example, it might be possible to become president with as few as 40% of the votes.

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• infinitevalence@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  For me personally, no.

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