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• UniversalMonk@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I think this is a great way to go about things. Thanks for all of your work!

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• ramble81@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Another thing to your point is most clients now support blocking communities or entire instances, so by doing this you’re leaving the power and the choice to the users to block as they want at a client level.

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  • Ashyr@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does anyone know if Voyager supports instance blocking?

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    • LlilL@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Absolutely!

      Settings > filters and blocks  (manually enter all the way at the bottom)
      

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem with this, is that it only blocks posts. You’re still going to see comments, and posts and comments are still subject to vote manipulation.

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    • ramble81@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      vote manipulation

      What is this? Reddit? Votes really don’t matter here.

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    • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I like how connect handles this, all posts from said instance are blanked out wit a message ‘blocked due to a server ban on name of server. Click to view anyway.’ or something along those lines.

      This effectively shields you from those comments, but also makes them accessible should you choose so.

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• JakenVeina@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yet another proof that I stumbled into the best instance from the beginning.

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  • kyle@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly same. I saw that lemm.ee was the second largest and had an active admin, felt like I would dip my toes in and I would change if needed.

    Never needed to, stuff like this gives me confidence in the platform.

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  • flerp@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the second one I came to, glad I changed… Very glad.

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• tacosanonymous@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Seems reasonable.

  I’m perfectly fine blocking shitty instances on my own.

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  • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the wonder of Lemmy 1.19

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    • IronKrill@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Needs a distinction between users and communities though.

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• LedgeDrop@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wanted to thank you for creating and promoting an agnostic platform, like lemm.ee.

  I’d started exploring Lemmy on beehaw, but was confused and frustrated why I couldn’t do “simple things” like downvote (spammy) topics (especially, outside of beehaw channels) . Then beehaw started to do more and more defederations. Although, I respect the transparency the admins have in their communications, I’m not interested in their curated form of Lemmy. As an adult, I can make responsible decisions. Fortunately, the federated nature of Lemmy allows me to easy “pack-up my stuff” and go elsewhere.

  Thank you for providing me with a place to go!

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• Foni@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I want to tell you that this type of policy is what made me create the account in this instance. Also thank you for the great work you do, I think it is not recognized enough

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• SherlockHawk@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I like your take on defederation, I always believe that having a moderate take on most issues is the correct approach.

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  • Azzu@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Moderate” should not be a criterion for choosing anything. Rather you should choose the approach that has the best score when comparing reasons for and reasons against it, i.e. making a rational decision based on the available evidence.

    The reason your “middle of the road” approach doesn’t make sense is because if you really decide like that, one side just has to get more and more extreme for you to “sympathize” with their side, since suddenly the middle will shift in their direction. You can be easily manipulated that way.

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    • SherlockHawk@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are very few situations where a choises are black and white. In most cases we are talking about shades of gray. I think that this us vs them mentality on the internet is pretty dumb in most cases.

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• rihatsu@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thank you for bringing both your technical skills and your steady handed approach to moderation to Lemmy. I signed up on lemm.ee a little over a year ago because at the time it was the largest instance with an open sign up process that had a reasonably neutral stance on moderation. So far it is my only Lemmy account, and I doubt I’ll ever need to make another.

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• narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Very reasonable take. Thank you!

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• kostas@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These three points you make here completely validate my decision to start to mainly use this instance.

  1. One thing which is probably important to note here is that I tend to view Lemmy instances as infrastructure, rather than as communities.

  2. I do not want to end up in a fragmented Lemmy network, where users are required to have accounts on 5 different instances in order to be able to access all their communities.

  3. Communities should always be free to set and enforce rules which foster healthy discussions. On top of that, instances should always be free to set and enforce rules for all of their users and communities.

  These adress the majority of issues I have had when trying to switch to using lemmy in the beginning.

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• Godort@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Honestly, now that users can individually block whole instances, there isnt really much need for defederation outside of special cases where an instance is especially hostile or home to illegal content.

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  • lud@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Instance blocking only works for posts though.

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• mtchristo@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Keep on the good work. Those who advocate for defederation want echo chamber silos, this weakens the promise of Activitypub.

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  • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Those who advocate for defederation want echo chamber silos

    OP: Makes a very nuanced post respecting all sides and understanding why people might want to defederate

    You: Immediately reduces everyone you disagree with to a single catchy line.

    I say this knowing I’m likely to get shit on for the .ml after my username, and also as someone who thinks meta is about the most evil company in existence, and who will not use any instance that voluntarily federates with threads.

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    • schwim@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      threads

      I came to lemm.ee solely for it’s defederation from threads. If they ever choose to federate, I’ll move again.

      I’m not going to shit on you, you seem pretty nifty. I think you’re right, as well. Many people have forgotten how to disagree with someone and now just regurgitate catch-phrases at each other. I’ve been working on improving that myself. It’s like reversing brainwashing or reconditioning. It’s been hard-wired into us at this point by the social network scene.

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• wer2@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thank you for your hard work. I am glade I support this instance.

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• Sotuanduso@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m glad that, when I arbitrarily chose an instance to create an account on, I ended up on one that I agree with on this so much.

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• roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s sad that people devote any time at all politicking instance admins to the point that writing something like this seems necessary. You’re experiencing their vision for a community when you join it. If you have another vision fuck off somewhere else.

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• hakase@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Best admin. <3

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• TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thanks! I’ve been pretty happy with this instance from the start. Keep up the good work.

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• cestvrai@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  While I appreciate the otherwise smooth operation of the instance, my main reason for choosing lemm.ee is your approach to defederation.

  Stay strong against the haters!

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• Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  .ml is absolutely abusing the federation system though. They’ve been caught red handed modifying mod logs several times, and there’s evidence that they run a modified version of Lemmy which gives them additional levers of control.

  .ml should be treated like the malicious state actors they very obviously are. It’s crazy to me that otherwise paranoid techies who are afraid that Google is recording their very boring lives, just doesn’t seem to care about actual, very plausible threats from actual, very plausible state actors.

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  • Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    there’s evidence that they run a modified version of Lemmy which gives them additional levers of control.

    If you are referring to them removing things from the modlog, isn’t that possible to every admin by removing lines in the database?

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• muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This policy/ideology is the whole reason i ditched .world and came here. Im worried about what happens when a big instance decides to implements a secondary defederation policy ie they will defederate unless u defederate everyone they defederated. I recon .ml will do this when they start to lose control of the narrarive.

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  • mathemachristian@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What control over what narrative does .ml have??

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey look at that hexbear is here to come propagandise the masses.

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• Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Great post, thank you!

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• crawancon@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  great job and thank you for your instance and service.

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• absentbird@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Very well put. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work!

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• Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thanks for all you do, Sun-Anus ;)

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• Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This just reinforces why I chose lemm.ee to be my chosen instance. I think what you had to say here was well worded, as well as I feel it aligns with how I would want to handle it should I be in charge. Thank you for creating this instance, and thank you for the explanation of your stance. You nailed it, a lot can be handled with proper communication. And going nuclear and completely defederating I would agree should be a last resort.

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• vxx@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you don’t distance from garbage, you’ll become the garbage.

  It might not be over night. Maybe not even in another year, but when it happens, it’s too late.

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• Floey@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thank you. One reason I stuck with ee instead of one of the other instances I made accounts with was that eventually this place was the only place I could go where I could still see content from all the instances I wanted to see. I couldn’t just make an account with one of those instances because they were generally defederated with one another.

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• Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nice, summed up what I felt about it as well. The multiple defed dramas since last year have felt mostly overblown

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• pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  About completely uncensored content: The fun part is that anyone who actually wants that can have that, I’m sure there are instances that federate with anything (or they could make their own “free” instance). And people who don’t want that (probably the majority but I have no data) can simply join moderated instances.

  Great article :)

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• Monstera@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You make a good case for migrating here. Is there a list of defederated instances somewhere?

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  • Xamrica@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lemm.ee/instances …/instances also works for any other instance you might want to check out.

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    • Monstera@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Awesome! ty

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