“The crackdown on women [...] also stems from growing anxieties many evangelicals have about what they see as swiftly changing norms around gender and sexuality in America.”
"Swiftly changing"? This stuff changed in the 70's!
Young Women Are Fleeing Organized Religion. This Was Predictable.
Submitted 11 months ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to nyt_gift_articles@sopuli.xyz
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aramis87@fedia.io 11 months ago
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But apparently they’re working on changing it back to 19th century normal.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And let’s not imagine that’s where they want to stop either.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I think they’re talking about trans people, not women’s rights.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But when they attack trans people for some reason cis women keep losing rights and safety
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is why the GOP and conservatives are so bat shit of the walls lately. Their belief system is on deaths door and they know that if they don’t take power now, they’ll never regain it.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yeah that’s part of it. People are leaving Christianity, and it’s disproportionately the rational ones. So who does that leave behind?
StaySquared@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The U.S. isn’t the only nation that has Christians. I’d argue that the Christians in modern western civilization are actually just Christians in name only compared to that of Christians in non-western nations.
However, I feel that it is democracy that is the killer of conservatism of any sort.
Cognitive_Dissident@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Organized religion to young women: “Your role in life is to make babies, raise your children, and serve your husband, everything else is a perversion in the eyes of God! Oh and by the way if you get pregnant for any reason including rape or incest you have to carry the child to term, no abortion allowed, not even if the pregnancy kills you” <sarcasm>LOL can’t see why young women wouldn’t be okay with that!</sarcasm>
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
side note, I kind of like how we’re back to fake html tags.
Cognitive_Dissident@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Too many people claim to not see ‘/s’ so I have to resort to flashing neon signs.
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Those would be valid HTML Custom Elements if they contained a hyphen like <tone-nerdy> the best practices defines: html.spec.whatwg.org/…/custom-elements.html </tone-nerdy> Brand new specs too.
StaySquared@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Islam allows abortion. Do you need details about that, or can you use the internet for more than just watching porn, video games, and lemmy?
Asking for an imam.
Cognitive_Dissident@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Islam, the so-called “”“religion of peace”“”, is responsible for the most agregious, brutal, violent offenses against women – and sometime even from woman (vis-a-vis 'female circumcision). Furthermore any religion that prohibits women from getting an education above grade-school level, and prohibits them from having their own money, having a career, and, for fuck’s sake, even from showing their faces and hair in public, is just more toxic patriarchal bullshit, and is right up there with the American Taliban, aka “”“christian nationalists”“”. Anyone LIKE YOU who defends “”“islam”“” in any way shape or form is just as bad as the rest of the fucking theists on this planet, you’re TOXIC and you deserve all the hate you get.
radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Islam punishes women for being gay. And don’t give me the “Well, ackchually, Muhammad never explicitly forbade…” bullshit because it is irrelevant. In most Muslim-majority countries, being queer is met with imprisonment at best and the death penalty at worst.
Snapz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Please, stay and don’t talk or be in leadership!!! Seriously, we need to tell you what to do with your body!!! Where are you going?”
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I never let my daughter get started.
Isoprenoid@programming.dev 11 months ago
I never let my daughter [insert any action here].
You could make a religion out of this.
mholiv@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s a a bit of an unfair characterization.
Never letting your child be indoctrinated or abused or harmed isn’t a bad thing at all.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I got your joke
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
That’s a bit of a shit take. I also never let my daughter get behind the wheel of a car, smoke marijuana, or do meth.
Valmond@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You start by thanking god for supper and end up losing the right of your vagina.
samus12345@lemmy.world 11 months ago
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Religion is always organized. That’s the definition of it. It’s organized belief. Take away the organization (= rules on how to believe / act), and you’re left with personal beliefs.
Fuck all religions :)
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t know. I’ve been to some pretty disorganized Hellenistic pagan events. Damn good time, though.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“Ah shit, when was the sermon supposed to start? Let’s see, where did I put my notes…does anyone have a bible or something I can borrow?”
samus12345@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, you could actually have your own personal set of beliefs and call it a religion.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You could also call a volcano a frog. Makes just as much sense, but you could call it a frog.
SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I do believe these still tell their followers what/how to believe. A belief system is a religion. And there are Hindu and buddhist extremists acting as a group committing hate crimes
Cognitive_Dissident@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yet in some places they manage to oppress and kill people over it.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Iʼd flee too if church leaders were matchmaking me in order to enforce racial divides. Mormon church example, emphasis mine:
“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144).
Source: Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3. (1995). churchofjesuschrist.org. Chapter 31 “Choosing an Eternal Companion”. Accessed 2024-06-13.
Context: This manual is what is currently taught to young men beginning at age 12.
samus12345@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fedizen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
maybe we need a new religion that thinks corporations are demons from hell and need to be destroyed.
samus12345@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Will never happen, because religions serve to help keep the people in power where they are.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 months ago
Can we stop using "religion" to refer to only Christianity? Please?
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The stats they’re using refer to the increase in women identifying as “unaffiliated” regardless of starting religion. However, the examples and stories they use refer to Christianity specifically.
So the title is right, just the article as a whole is just weirdly focused on Christianity
dumples@midwest.social 11 months ago
Well it’s still the dominant religion in the USA so it makes sense that it’s where people are fleeing from.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 months ago
The stats they're using refer to the increase in women identifying as "unaffiliated" regardless of starting religion.
True enough, but that's almost completely because they've leaving Christianity. Upon reading the title I thought religion as a whole was in decline in the US, which isn't very inaccurate but Christianity is clearly an outlier here.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You got one that humanity wouldn’t be better off without?
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
No, it’s very important that we pretend indigenous and racial minority religions don’t exist for uhhhhhhhh totally not white supremacist reasons
zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
People consider Catholicism, protestantism, and Mormonism as separate religions. But also that’s the vast majority of religion in the US, so.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 months ago
That makes more sense yeah.
dumples@midwest.social 11 months ago
Mixing religion and politics has made both worse. When your values and your religion are mismatched one will have to give. In this case it’s religion. While I know some churches know this most do not. Especially those who are more politically connected. You made your bed now watch women leave it
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You literally CAN’T make religion worse.
rekabis@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Good. The sooner the poison of religion is relegated to the dustbin of history, the better. The Abrahamic faiths are just the worst of the bunch.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is the real reason for this push toward dictatorship. These religions know they are dying out and wish to push the world back into darkness. Its only in darkness and ignorance that they can flourish.
silence7@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
I don’t think it’s as simple as there being one sole reason, but it’s definitely one of the reasons.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Don’t discount the idea that their fundamental drives/perversions are not the primary reason for nearly all of their actions. At the heart of these broken people is the idea that they can control women so they are free to rape them at will. They wont put it that way but lets face it that is what they want.
I’m a middle aged white male. As a result when meeting these petty little people I often hear comments and opinions that make it clear they have little respect for women or anyone who does’t share their pigmentation and religion. I’ve met some truly horrible people. Not that they are the majority but it seems the more wealthy they are the more unhinged they are. All I have to do keep silent to hear it. I’ve heard these trash ideas many times from sad little garbage humans who think women taking a pill or controlling their own bodies is the reason why they can’t ‘keep’ a woman. The idea that they are wrong never enters their mind. They blame everyone but themselves for their troubles. Nothing would please them more than to be able to make a woman a owned object and to be sure its their final goal. Along with anyone who they don’t agree with or approve of.
set_secret@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not fast enough imo
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s mostly white women, and it’s only because conservative politics of the church are beginning to effect them so I have no sympathy.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Whoa, that’s so weird. The social structures intentionally and consistently attempting to remove autonomy from a subsect of the population are unpopular among that same subsect. I can’t understand why. It’s like, kitchen anti-abortion nuclear family, amiright fellas?
_cnt0@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Do you mean subset?
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Yes, I did mean subset. Weird typo for me, thank you for pointing it out.