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Exploration
Submitted 11 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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LEONHART@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The tired anti-capitalist’s review of bioshock lmao
LEONHART@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Yeah, kinda hard to ignore those themes in a game whose antagonist is a deliberate gender-swap of Ayn Rand.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
No wonder they sank R’leyh to the bottom of the ocean.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wasn’t Ryan a Libertarian?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 months ago
No, he was a “Libertarian”
lugal@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
There isn’t much to see on the moon. It’s a giant piece of rock. You’re been there once, you’ve seen it.
Deep ocean is a whole different story. Very many, very different ecosystems.
Tbh I’ve never been to the moon so I’m not sure actually
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
What about the theme park?
pedz@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
🎵 We’re whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon. But there ain’t no whales so we tell tall tales and sing a whaling tune. 🎵
lugal@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Never been there. Is it worth the trip?
dogsoahC@lemm.ee 11 months ago
If Lovecraft has taught us anythig, it’s that looking too closely into either one is a BAD idea.
SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
He was just too afraid of what was inside him, and that’s what the abyss was reflecting to him, hence his quote.
SwordInStone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
which quote?
SwordInStone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
yeah I wanted to write “HP Lovecraft wrote this”
Thorry84@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Also not true, we know much more about the oceans than the moon, because the moon isn’t really that interesting.
We know pretty much all there is to know about the moon. The oceans are much more complex, so there is a lot more to learn. But we also know a whole lot about the oceans, way more than we could ever know about the moon. Sure there’s still a lot of things more to find out about the oceans, so percentage wise we maybe know less than the we know about the moon. But again this is because there really isn’t that much to know about the moon, so you can get up to a high percentage really quick.
Now people may say we have high res scans of the entire moon and not of the bottom of the ocean, but that isn’t true either. We have scans with pretty decent resolution of the ocean floor, not as good as the moon, but still decent. There really isn’t that much there. Everywhere we’ve seen something interesting we’ve focused in on and checked out. Most of the ocean bottom is pretty much a dark desert under water, so no we haven’t “explored” it, there is nothing there.
People use this argument as a shortcut to maybe there’s a whole lost civilization of Atlantis down there. Well no there isn’t because humans haven’t been around all that long let alone civilization, so the Earth isn’t all that different in terms of land masses compared to when the first civilization started. Also something that big would definitely show up on scans and under water archeology is a thing. But maybe there’s dinosaurs down there. Again no there really isn’t, if something that big were there we would have come across it a long time ago. Even if we hadn’t seen it directly, we would see signs of it being there. But scientists are discovering new species every day in the oceans! Yeah but have you met scientists? They go crazy for some kind of weird jellyfish which is exactly like most other jellyfish but is technically a different species. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell those species apart, only people who really know their stuff can. All of the big stuff has been found.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We know pretty much all there is to know about the moon. The oceans are much more complex, so there is a lot more to learn.
So you’re saying we know more about the moon than the ocean.
Weird way to agree with the post but okay.
Thorry84@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Well no, if you think that I’ve failed to communicate it properly. Sorry for that. I mean the exact opposite.
Say for example we have some unit of knowledge called T. The moon has in this hypothetical unit about 1000T of possible knowledge and humans know about 900T of things about the moon. In this case the oceans would have at least 1000000T of possibility knowledge and humans know about 800000T. We thus know much more about the oceans than we could even ever know about the moon.
You might argue that we know 90% about the moon and only 80% about the oceans and thus know less about the oceans than the moon. But this fails on three parts:
First of all, we can’t know what we don’t know. So whilst we might guess the moon has somewhere around 1000T of total knowledge, we can’t know this for sure. This means talking about percentages makes no sense. We can only say with some certainty there is orders of magnitudes more to learn about the oceans than there is about the moon.
Second of all, we can estimate the total number of knowledge about the moon is a relatively low order of magnitude compared to the order of magnitude of total knowledge possible about the oceans. This means the percentage is meaningless as even relatively little knowledge leads to a high percentage.
Third of all, knowledge isn’t linear. There is always low hanging fruit that can be learnt with little efforts and says a lot about what a thing is. Then as it is studied further, more details emerge which fill in the gaps. The gaps in knowledge get smaller and smaller, and the overall picture stays more and more the same. As I said we’ve studied the overall structure of the ocean and focused down where interesting stuff is.
Thus comparing knowledge based on percentages makes little sense.
These kinds of things are often used to justify things that aren’t grounded in reality. Such as the lost civilization. It’s in the same vain as something having a non zero chance of happening means it can happen. For example there is a non zero chance your atoms scatter within the next nanosecond. It’s theoretically possible but can’t happen in the real world.
Hope this makes more sense to you.
zaph@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You know there’s more in space than just our moon, right?
Thorry84@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Yes, but the post was specifically about the moon?
Zachariah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Spoken like a true thalassophobian.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Classy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Thalassophobe, probably
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
bitfucker@programming.dev 11 months ago
I love the W40K chaos vibe
Zerush@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
It is much more complicated and difficult to explore the depths of the ocean than going into space, given that in space there is no need for vehicles that must withstand these enormous pressures. In space they only have to withstand an air pressure of 1 atm and not a thousand atm in the depths of the seas. A simple crack in the hull and you’re dead before you can say sh…
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 11 months ago
Just like how we explore moon/mars, we been using remote controlled submarine for quite a while now
youtu.be/I1ozbgy5N-U?si=Z33ZZ0ij04uKl1le
The challenge of deepsea is not pressure, it’s the limited visibility and range they can get with the submarine drone. On moon and mars, everything on the horizon is visible once the sun hit the surface, but deepsea doesn’t have that perk, and water block any radiation so well the submarine need to be tethered in order to receive signal and send video feed.
Shaggy1050@lemmy.world 11 months ago
youtu.be/O4RLOo6bchU?si=4TbR0JWOkCeq0FbK
Made me think of this Futurama scene.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 11 months ago
Wait till we get far enough in space.
The voids will prove harder than the oceans.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
No, space is hard because of radiation and great distances, but a hole in the hull of the ship, for example due to a micro meteorite, can even be covered with a piece of duct tape. A hole in the hull of a submarine however is a catastrophe, if it does not directly cause the hull to implode, the water that enters has enough pressure to cut you in two.
anguo@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I can see the moon from right here.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
fr are these oceanographers just trying to wake The Old Ones or what? Ain’t nobody got time for that shit.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 months ago
You are just saying this cause you found out about the butt worm.
Don’t let the idea of multi butts scare you. Come back to the oceans.
Flyberius@hexbear.net 11 months ago
What about all the oceans on all the other planets?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 11 months ago
And it occurred to me that the animals are swimming Around in the water in the oceans in our bodies And another had been found, another ocean on the planet Given that our blood is just like the Atlantic, and how Well the universe is shaped exactly like the earth If you go straight long enough you’ll end up where you were
Flyberius@hexbear.net 11 months ago
I really like the Iron Horse version.
tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Yea and I’d purely guess most worlds with life of some kind are on some sort of water planet, so you flee the ‘scary oceans’ at home to encounter alien ones of the same. If you can’t adapt to the first real good luck on the second.
rockerface@lemm.ee 11 months ago
In fact, we have a massive liquid methane ocean right in our solar system, on Titan. And we don’t know anything about what might be in it’s depths
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“We know more about space than the oceans”
Bitch the stars are out in the open. All you have to do is look up. We’ve been doing it since the dawn of civilization.
Sorry, I hear that factoid too much from people don’t know better.
lseif@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
but that doesnt make the ‘factoid’ any less true…
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It’s a factoid to me because it doesn’t say much because what is “know better” any way? We’ve only sent people up to the moon and there are only ten people in orbit at this moment. Meanwhile, we likely send out more people underwater, everyday. The factoid suggests we know a lot about space even though we have no idea what 95% of space is.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
How’s Dagon these days? Haven’t heard from him since that whole Innsmouth incident.
essell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is Nadeau the opposite of Cousteau?
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That or the opposite of Zeneau.
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 months ago
This is revisionist actually, we must Return To Sea
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Da moon way cooler tho.
OpenStars@discuss.online 11 months ago
Yes, come to space…
eldritchen horror
We welcome you hereUh I mean nobody is here, it’s entirely empty.nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 11 months ago
In a way, the emptiness is more terrifying than anything else.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Great, now reaper leviathans are in space too
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I mean… that planet is somewhere in space.