does anyone feel like searching doesn't give them a answer?

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• JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨24⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I use Kagi for search. Between it and my self-hosted copy of Wikipedia, I’m pretty happy.

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• SmellHerCartography@lemmy.zip ⁨25⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I’m confused by some people saying “Google wants you to use AI now”. I think what they mean is they think Google wants you to just use the shitty AI answer at the top of its results. This is because people don’t know how AI works and confuse the technology with specific products. A result summarized by AI has to come up as fast as possible in search results and doesn’t have time to find good or verified info.

  Search has been broken for years before AI was a twinkle, because people and companies don’t care if you find what you’re looking for, they only care if they make money off you. Want to know when shoes were invented? How about 92 links to Amazon to buy shoes instead? I just stopped using search for years.

  To answer your question, I use Claude, usually Opus. I ask it to find the information I want, where to look or not to look in some cases, and if its something technical or troubleshooting related , I tell it to do research and only rely on training data as a last resort.

  Since I started doing this I’ve learned so much more than I could have with search engines, and had conversations about the information to really make sure I understood. Its also great for getting info on laws and specific scenarios and has gotten me, and friends out of several predatory situations that would have required an expensive and unrealistically motivated lawyer. Like another commenter said, use your common sense, ask for direct links to its sources if you want to verify, and never use Google, Brave, or other shitty search engines again.

  Message me if you have a specific issue. I’m pretty good at finding where a request went wrong if unhelpful info comes back.

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• unitedwithme@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Search has grown worse IMO to push you to use ai more. Ai reviews, ai sites, they need to give the appearance of it working better so you’ll use it. To do this they dumbed it way down.

  Use something other than Google or Bing, like Ecosia, Qwant, or Mojeek.

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• judgy_jackdaw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  well just make a post with the wrong answer and somebody will come to correct you

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  • tonyn@lemmy.ml ⁨41⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    That used to be the case. Now, LLMs slurp up the wrong answer and regurgitate it until it’s just what everyone believes.

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• MeowWeHaveAProblem@toast.ooo ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  I think what your seeing is search engines don’t work like they used to. They give you what they think you want not what you asked for. Google might have been the first to make there search worse. They want you to use AI instead now. It also sucks. I usually try other search engines other than the main ones. Also indexing the entire web is not easy and would take a large amount of resources to do so some of the smaller ones seem incomplete.

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• death_to_carrots@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Well, IMHO it depends on what kind of answer you expect and what question do you ask.

  Maybe you’re not good in asking. Maybe the question is to open ended. Maybe you’re the first person asking.

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  • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨43⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Maybe search engines have turned to shit for a combination of reasons, most of which are malicious.

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• Fallibilist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Ask an LLM. Haters will tell you it’ll just make up stuff but the answer you get is almost certainly correct. Just use your common sense to validate the results just like you would with a search engine.

  Let there be downvotes.

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  • blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨41⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Yeah like that girl in Seattle who just died a week or so ago when she followed the advice of an LLM that told her it was a good idea to stop her anti-seizure medication.

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  • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨41⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    How do you validate the answers when you can’t get results through something like a search engine?

    Why wouldn’t you just use the validation steps to get the valid answer the first time instead of asking the bullshit machine first?

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    • Fallibilist@feddit.uk ⁨25⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Well yesterday I asked about near-extinct tree species that could survive in the climate I live in and when it gave me the names of those species I googled them to double check and to find out how much those cost. It pointed me in the right direction and I figured out the rest myself.

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  • BevsDad@lemmy.ca ⁨39⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I’m yet to have an instance of me not being able to find an answer to a question and giving the hallucination slop machine a desparate try work for me.

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• y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  You must search within…

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• remon@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Not really.

  Try refining your search terms and/or use advanced search.

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