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• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That link is an unsourced opinion piece a site belonging to something called the Adam Smith Institute. I’m gonna need something a bit more credible before I believe it tbh.

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  • kugel7c@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The Adam smith institute is a right wing free market think tank with likely very questionable donors. wiki It likely doesn’t really do research but takes sources that support their preexisting believes and retells them.

    Certainly it was at least very hard to make the capitalist exploitation of the worker so all encompassing before the invention of the mechanical watch (Although there was likely a ton of housework and the general situation was garbage what with feudal lords and all that) . It then likely exploded with the industrial revolution and at least in places where the working class managed to emancipate themselves got somewhat cut back. Now especially for countries outside of the west and increasingly also the US and parts of EU it’s likely getting worse, especially with multi employment and precarious employment(gig work, semi self employment, 0h contracts, mechanical turk …).

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    • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Adam Smith Institute

      I always find it kinda funny when the right turns to Adam Smith. Smith thought that the free market would free us from the monopolistic tendencies of the mercantile system. (Although he wouldn’t have written it as such, as the term wasn’t nearly as taxonomically precise as it is now.) If he was alive today, he’d probably be rather dismayed at the failures of capitalism.

      But then again, I guess that’s the right’s shtick: coopt any idea that they can and pervert it to benefit the ultra-wealthy.

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    • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The time was very different. Most people lived and worked in the country, not in cities, so de facto they couldn’t control them however they liked. Christian Church was also imposing morality over everything, which means they couldn’t enslave people as easily as today.

      We are living in neo-feudalism. Your boss is a lord, and your only freedom is to choose a lord, provided this lord accept you.

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  • pimento64@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s historical consensus. Your quality of life is still better because you have civil rights and access to medical care that actually works.

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If it’s consensus then there must be sources somewhere.

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    • yiliu@informis.land ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not historical consensus. It’s a claim made by some historians that went viral online.

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    • deft@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      no it isn’t.

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• dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Medieval peasant’s idea of luxury was also “some butter”. Let’s not glorify the past.

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  • Prunebutt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why can’t we have both? Why must we trade one for the other?

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    • MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because medieval peasantry ain’t exactly all that great. There’s a reason why we grew out of it.

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  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They loved showing off what spices they had, like “yo this is a nutmeg pie, that’s right I got nutmeg bitches.” Some of the recipes are actually hilarious cause they seem to be based around showing off your spices, the original lasagna for example.

    What’s also funny is the foods peasants could afford and eat, were at least to our modern diet a lot healthier than what the lord would eat. They’d be eating root vegetables, cabbage, squash, porridges. Cheese as well because it was a method of preservation and the separated whey had it’s own uses, lot of peasants made their own cheese. Meanwhile the lord would be eating marrow and fatty salted meats, hunting his own game, or more like wanting people to believe he did so trying to curate that image of himself. Maybe commission a “morning hunt” portrait of himself in case you weren’t sure.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    All I need is some cheese to be happy. And a tip from my tenants. (Just kidding, I’m not a landlord, please don’t kill me)

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• Underwaterbob@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  More time off to take care of the fourteen children you need to have to keep your farm going.

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  • norgur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And almost succumb to some form of the common cold

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If one dies, I’ll just pop another out, right in the field. Cut the cord, and he can get to work.

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    • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There was a much higher likelihood of dying during childbirth too.

      Families with more than 4 or 5 children were almost certainly blended families.

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  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’d be having sex in the same room as all your kids and animals lived too

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• MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Redditors thinking that having time off as some dirt fucking poor peasant in the Medieval Era is all fun and games.

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  • Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At least ye’d probably get to eat yer daily porridge next to a fuckin’ goose. May not be your goose, or the village goose, but a find goose and an important part of peasantry nonetheless. Better than serfs get… Eatin’ their porridge next to a mule and a rake.

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• Prunebutt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There was a recent report (rather exagerrated but still) which claimed that in the 1930s it took 65 hours of human labour a week to run a household. Today it takes 3. Things were worse back in medieval days.

  Doubt.jpeg

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  • ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only way that is acceptable is if they missed a 0. Even then 30 is pushing it

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• balderdash9@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You don’t want to go back to the past. At least not before germ theory and anesthesia.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nothing wrong with some whiskey and biting down on a stick when you need your leg amputated.

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  • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I do. Common sense would take care of me better than this healthcare system. All the knowledge we have serves capital, not me, day to day, in my silly little life.

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• ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s still bullshit.

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• Goodbyeworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  there were no cameras in the Middle Ages. Checkmate shitposters.

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  • Carvex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also that woman clearly isn’t middle aged.

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• azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can’t wait for people in debate class to look at this post and discuss which logical fallacy is most fitting

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  • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or how is just blatantly wrong.

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  • Prunebutt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Name one.

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    • Prunebutt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m genuine: just because you think it’s wrong, doesn’t automatically make it a fallacy.

      So name one logical fallacy that applies, i.e. “Slippery slope”, “Appeal to authority”, etc.

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• Assman@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Actually medieval people got wayyy more time off across the board. It’s because they all died by 45.

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• Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  OP I thought debunking the Adam Smith Institute claim would be easy, but you’ve just introduced me to Tim Worstall and he might be based: We Can afford UBI, and its better than the cruel welfare state - Tim Worstall

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s a great read, thanks for sharing.

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• banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s holiday season, we got pies and ale, a new preacher is coming to town and we’re getting shitfaced. Nobody has plague yet and life is good.

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• Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They also had an average life expectancy of about 30 years, so I’ll stick with the current Era thanks.

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  • ElmarsonTheThird@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Common missconception: people didn’t just die in their thirties, the average is brought down somewhat hard by lots of infant death, childbirth complications and the like.

    @Prunebutt says it right, it’s the advancements in medicine, but thats more reactively treating diseases than proactively lengthening the lifespan.

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    • WldFyre@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh that doesn’t sound bad at all

      /s

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    • corship@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hate those type of stats that sound good but don’t actually express what they seem to express.

      Instead of looking at the average age at death, I’d be much more interested in the average age if the population alive at a give point in time.

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  • Prunebutt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s because of advancements in medicine, not because we work longer hours.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would have been dead for 10 years by now. Sweet.

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• afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No way in fucking hell it takes 3 hours a week to run a household. I do that daily.

  Clothing, kids homework, meals to cook, cleaning, shopping for food, kids extracurriculars, bills.

  6:00 pick up kids from aftercare

  6:15 Get home with kids, take care of pets, reheat dinner

  6:30-7:00 kids eat dinner and I do laundry

  7:00-8:00 kids homework and cleaning

  8:00-8:30: violin practice

  8:30 - 9:00 whatever subject they are lagging in or if nothing shared reading.

  9:00 - 10:00 kids bath and ready for next day. Around 9:20 or so I eat dinner

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  • Murais@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You also do it alone.

    People generally used to live with their extended families.

    The tasks you’re describing were generally spread out between 4-8 grown-ass adults.

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• Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  A medieval peasant looked nothing like this.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I sincerely apologize for the historical inaccuracies contained in this shitpost.

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re literally worse than Hitler!

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I already work less than a medieval peasant.

  Just don’t tell my boss.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I do too. My boss is an asshole though, spends all her time on lemmy shitposting and then tells me to work harder. But then again, I am my won boss, so PEBCAK.

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• Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Good addendum!

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  • Prunebutt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nah. The Adam Smith “Institute” is nothing, but (mostly debunked) liberal propaganda.

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    • Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Comparing yourself to a medieval serf is a magnificent intersection of privilege and ignorance.

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• crackajack@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t know about others, but I know many Spanish colonies only worked 4-hours a day up to the 1890s. It could be tradition, and also unlike other Western powers at the time, Spain had not industrialised as much and would still have to rely much on physical labour. So I think the combination of Spain and its colonies being too hot to work for long periods, and lack of industrialisation, made 4 hour day work the way of life for them.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I knew I liked Spain for a reason. I know they have tons of issues, especially with unemployment, but man is it a beautiful country.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Again I have to wonder if you actually seriously believe such nonsense ornif you’re really just shit posting

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ll give you 6 guesses.

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• bouh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  A source from an institute called Adam smith? This will certainly not be a liberal interpretation of history…

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Eh, they are neoliberal capitalists, so call that what you will.

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