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The Fediverse should do what redditors have always wanted and Reddit Inc. has always refused to do; Distinguish between NSFW and NSFL.

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Comment105@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨meta@lemm.ee⁩

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  • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nsfw, Nsfl, and “Porn”

    I like nsfw memes but dont want my feed full of porn. I have a seperate account for porn.

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    • FrederikNJS@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, a renaissance artwork that contains naked women, actual hardcore porn, and a Russian soldier being blown to pieces in Ukraine, should not occupy the same “NSFW” tag…

      Of course there’s going to be grey area stuff, but 3 buckets like this is much much better than a single “everything people might not want to see” bucket.

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    • collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Butball the sfw porn subs ruined it.

      Need a new tag like “sexporn” or “genitals”

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      • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sounds like we’re just describing tags at this point.

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      • TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        SeGz

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    • CorrodedCranium@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I feel like the lines at that point get way too blurred. It would be like having a “porn” and “full blown porn” tag or hardcore versus softcore.

      I will admit a distinct NSFW tag could be good for somewhat taboo stuff like mildly offensive jokes for example.

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      • ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Would be kind of hilarious. You can have one normal tag like “serious” is for ask lemmy, then a million tags like soft core, forced, NSFL, etc…

        Like the fediverse would be catering to SO MUCH PORN at that point

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      • tehmics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What if we just had specific tags that we could filter for. everything gets the nsfw tag but we have specific tags for nudity, violence, etc.

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    • ChadCMulligan@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dig it

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    • fruitSnackSupreme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How do you actually find porn on Lemmy? I’ve tried and failed.

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      • RGB3x3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Apparently lemmynsfw.com.

        But it’s mostly celebrity pics, so I’m not entirely sure where else.

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      • TheBest@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        sort by new search term “nsfw”, subscribe and filter from there.

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    • pascal@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      NSFW is an American construct, in Europe people don’t get scared by nudity. If Lemmy is truly worldwide, we can get rid of it.

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      • thepreciousboar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        In Europe you wouldn’t want a dick on your phone while you are in the office or on the subway

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  • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or just copy Mastodon and do content warnings. They’re a lot more versatile.

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    • keefshape@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How so, for those of us who are avoidant of other places?

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      • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m confused on what your question is

        A content warning tag is similar to a spoiler tag, but you can fill out the warning yourself. So you could type something like “movie ending spoiler” or on Mastodon you’ll see considerate triggers like “TW: suicide” for various trigger warnings.

        Which the ability for that makes more sense then having multiple individual tags. Also ActivityPub supports it already anyways, and it works nicely on Mastodon

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    • Zeus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      github.com/Neshura87/Lemmy-RFC/

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  • favrion@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not Safe for Work versus Not Safe for Life?

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    • gavi@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think content warnings would be a better approach to this, all other fediverse software have content warnings anyway. Making community content to force use content warnings would be helpful too.

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      • dth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        i agree, use of cw would be more useful because ’nsfw’ is just too vague and not specific enough.

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    • Whisper06@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Porn be gore

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    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not safe for lemmy

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    • zeekaran@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not safe for looking. Gore, usually.

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      • Subverb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve never once heard it called “Not Safe for Looking”.

        Thats like a few years ago when my wife said she thought LOL was “Lots of Love”.

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      • favrion@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Al Gore?

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    • Bebo@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lol even I thought it’s not safe for life and was wondering what’s that about

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      • Fridgeratr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Life is correct, NSFW is just something risqué or something that has bad language that you shouldn’t look at at work, but NSFL is like gore or something disgusting or terrible that you shouldn’t look at EVER unless you’re desensitized lol

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  • JokeDeity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I haven’t seen anything gorey here, luckily. I would much rather see an automatic video tag for both titles and comments. Kind of sick of opening YouTube unintentionally.

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    • Hildegarde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I regularly see videos and images from the war in Ukraine on lemmy. It is marked as NSFW, and blurred, so it looks nearly identical at a glance to content that is NSFW due to sexual content.

      I would prefer if those two things were visually distinct in the interface.

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      • JokeDeity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Maybe it’s because my main account is lemm.ee? I just don’t see that stuff at all and I primarily browse All.

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    • zeppo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There was some video a few weeks ago where some guy fucked up passing on a motorcycle and shredded his foot. Then showed it, quite graphically.

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  • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just do NSFW and PORN.
    Porn is the reason for wanting a distinction, so don’t beat around the bush.

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    • Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A gore or nsfl tag is much more important than a porn one. The disturbing shit that will haunt my nightmares is what I want to keep off my feed, I’m not particularly worried about accidentally seeing some genitals.

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    • Perfide@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, the NSFL tag is more important imo. I don’t mind seeing tits randomly, I do not wanna see gore ever, period.

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      • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Even NSFL could be ideally split into NSFL and ENSFL (Extremely Not Safe for Life)

        I don’t mind seeing like an X-RAY of somebody who broke their arm in 4 places, but a photo of it IRL and blood everywhere is ENSFL

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    • Thrillhouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think gore as well. Things can be nsfw but also not gore.

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      • kib48@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        at that point it’d probably be better to just have a CW system like Mastodon

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    • CleoTheWizard@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s not what the terms are aimed at though? NSFW covers a very broad range of things. You expect it to be pork 95% of the time, so it already means that. The main thing people want to separate are things like gore, death, racism, etc. So that’s what is being asked for. Separate links out because a NSFL link should seldom be clicked on but imo deserves to exist for discussion and calling out people on legitimate issues.

      I was never a fan of the “death porn” put on Reddit but I do appreciate the real and unsanitized reality of some situations when the news can’t show them.

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    • TheFrirish@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      oh yeah I’m doing bro don’t worry

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  • colourlesspony@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can we add spoilers too?

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    • gavi@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They are already there. But it’s in wonky markdown…

      ::: spoiler spoiler
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      • owlboy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Huh, that does not work in Voyager.

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    • pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      !eternity for lemmy test!<

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    RIGHT!?!?! Like I hate taking a gamble on whether or not I’ll see an infected maggot ridden foot, or a big breasted cat girl turning into a Willy Wonka blueberry

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    • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Some of these responses seem to find bouncers and springers more gross than wounds, death and diseases. Like a bunch of psycho puritan Catholic warmongers.

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      • Misconduct@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We grew up watching people getting cut in half in movies while mom covered our eyes if a nipple appeared lol

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      • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Bouncers and sprigners?

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Where even are you seeing gore? I left Reddit a while back and I miss eyeblech.

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    • FrederikNJS@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s plenty of combat footage in the various combat footage and Ukraine related communities.

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    • Stern@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      one more reason to not go back: they banned it.

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      • littlecolt@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Wait, they banned eyebleach? Fucking monsters…

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  • schwim@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Absolutely. Throwing everything that you may not want to open at work in with porn as an all-or-nothing view choice is incredibly shortsighted.

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    • SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, porn stars would appreciate being able to see their work without having to expose themselves to Gore et al

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  • SGG@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    NSFW and NSFL can mean different things to different people and cultures.

    Best example is that in some countries, showing a boob isn’t straight away NSFW as much as it is in America.

    Opposite example: In America, showing blood is almost G rated at this point (at least it feels that way to a non-American watching American media). In China you effectively can’t show blood in any media.

    As has been mentioned in the comments already one solution would be more specific categories, probably customizable by site admins to suit their particular site culture. Either that or a site can stick to just a single NSFW tag to donate a more “hey, this might not be the best thing to look at on the job”.

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    • thepreciousboar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The distinction is made to differentiate between two very different and clearly separated categories, one being just inapproriate to show around (a boob on your phone in a public is inappropriate pretty much everywhere, not just in the puritan US) and straight disturbing content that you might never want to see, even in private.

      Different customizeable categories would be needlessly complicated to implement in every client

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  • gavi@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is one of my dream features to make lemmynsfw moderation easier, alongside site mods and content warnings ~(alongside the ability to edit and force nsfw on posts in specific communities… and maybe being able to by default turn off instances caching OUR images as a “do not cache” server flag…)~

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  • Abnorc@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can see many people in the comments mentioning various levels of specificity for the tags. I think porn and gore should perhaps have a tag each. Maybe one or two more categories, but having too many would complicate posting on Lemmy a lot. For example, whether or not to put a politics tag may be ambiguous in some cases. I’m not sure about historical artwork, as there are situations where it’s normal to be viewing it. There are also some works that I’d rather not be seen looking at in all places: some of that stuff got weird. Not to mention: people marking things NSFW as a joke just confuses things further.

    I never noticed it being a big problem though. I think just having one, two , maybe three different tags at most and letting communities play it by ear would work fine.

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  • toxicbubble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d rather we get rid of downvotes, serves no purpose but too “disagree”

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    • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Screw that nonsense. Trash exists and should be binned, your comment case-in-point.

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      • PatFussy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Downvotes basically allows for dogpiling and allows stupid people to circlejerk. Also, i am perfectly ok with getting downvotes but others are not. These weak boned sensitive weenies delete their comments the first sign that people disagree so thats why you see everyone agreeing on everything. This is compounded with the fact that the fediverse is a series of bubbles so, for instance, i will immediately know I will disagree with someone if they have a lemmigrad or hexbear in their name.

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    • Dagrothus@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Downvotes help to mitigate disinformation, ads, etc. It’s a big reason why old reddit posts are such a good resource for so many topics. When any random idiot can post garbage on the same footing as an actually useful comment, you end up with Facebook or those copy paste/AI articles at the top of Google searches.

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    • moriquende@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah but I mean that’s a pretty good purpose

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      • lemann@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        🔥Hot take - I think unless the post being disagreed with is some kind of troll or spam post, the op or ocer might appreciate a discussion around it.

        People usually disagree because they view something from a different perspective, and most times that perspective could be a valuable thing to share IMO

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  • AndreTelevise@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    NSFL is just another name for gore or footage of death or injury. “Not safe for life” is not a thing. There’s no actual image that can kill you unless you have epilepsy or some other form of photosensitivity. I heard “Not safe for looking” but that’s an idiotic acronym, and most people don’t interpret NSFL that way at first, and it still has the connotation that it can physically harm you for some reason.

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  • synceDD@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No

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