How do I get informed on Joe Rogan without watching his videos.

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I’m a bit concerned about how much my husband has been watching his videos, but he’s a hard man to argue with. I want to understand what it is Joe Rogan is saying, but I don’t want to give the man my viewership. How/where do I get the info I can use to debate my husband?

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ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I get the sense that your concerns aren’t who your husband watches but what your husband’s opinions are.

Instead of debating over what Rogan says, maybe just have a conversation with your husband about your concerns. Express your thoughts on issues important to you and see how that goes. Maybe your husband just likes the drama and doesn’t put much weight into Rogan’s hot takes.

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- player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is good advice! I listened to his podcast for a little because I was interested in a particular guest and I wanted to hear what the guess had to say, not what Rogan thought. I found a few other guests I liked but I quickly stopped listening because Rogan always makes interviews about his interests and it grew old.
  
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- Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The real answer. Everyone is different, can’t really judge a person’s views by who they watch. I know people that watch a lot of Fox because they want to know what kind of crap they’re spreading.
  
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Baahb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Sorta the problem with the joe Rogan podcast is that Joe doesn’t have an agenda, but every guest he has on does. Some folks think that platforming scumbags and allowing them to say awful things isn’t cool, and therefore refuse to go on the show, which means fewer same people and more insane. This then repeats until only insane guests are in the show.

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- justastranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  He does have an agenda now, though it’s not a political one. It’s the chasing of those strokes to his ego that his alt-right audience gives him every time he says something they like.
  
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  - Baahb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I mean that’s fair. It may not even be ego, might be money. But the point stands either way.
    
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- thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  he definitely puts his own agenda into his show. like, with COVID, he only invited guests with one opinion. he picked the anecdotes and every part of the show that wasn’t pure interview. he very very clearly and strongly wanted to push that vaccines are bad and COVID is overblown. that was not a guest doing that.
  
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  - sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Only segment of his show I ever saw was Bill Burr calling him a Knuckle Scrapper when masks were brought up, lol.
    
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crypticthree@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Behind the Bastards and Some More News have covered him albeit tangentially. Knowledge Fight has covered when Alex Jones has been on Rogan and it really illustrates how dangerously unprepared he is to deal with people like Alex

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- RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I dont think anyone can be prepared to deal with someone like Alex Jones.
  
  The guy is literally a Warhammer 40k space marine in real life.
  
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  - crypticthree@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You should check out Knowledge Fight. They are the experts. When the Times wants to cover him they call them.
    
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- iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  America’s not even ready for those people.
  
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- decerian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I agree with many of the other commenters that OP debating their husband might not be the best idea.
  
  But if that’s what they want, “Decoding the gurus” did at least one Rogan specific episode, and I think they do a better job covering and dismantling Rogan’s rhetorical approach than the podcasts above.
  
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- CrackaAssCracka@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’m listened to Jones on the Joe Rogan show when he was on with Eddie Bravo. It ended up with them getting wasted and spouting some really off the wall shit. Bravo was deep into chem trails. Jones confidently proclaimed that “interdimensional child molesters” were the biggest threat to humanity. If they were trying to get people to believe in that stuff they were doing a terrible job of it. Unless you’re already primed to think that way, it was obvious they weren’t thinking rationally.
  
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FireTower@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I don’t know your relationship but you might want to reflect on your desire to debate your husband. This seems like a recipe for disaster. If you’re concerned he might be sliding into a bad rabbit hole maybe you could try exposing him to some contrary view points, that way he doesn’t feel like his loved one is attack his beliefs.

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- GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What? She’s trying to be more informed, to better understand the source material. She isn’t intending to debate him for fun, like a highschool club, but clearly takes issue with some of the topics and acknowledges she does t know enough to competently engage.
  
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  - ickis@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This is actually solid relationship advice overall, no one wants to be challenged on their views - oftentimes those who are challenged become incredibly defensive & double-down on their beliefs in irritation. Discussing it peacefully & respectfully will allow an opportunity for growth.
    
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WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Use piped.video to watch his content. It is a privacy respecting alternative front end for YouTube that will strip out ads and such so you don’t give your support to the content creator if you don’t want to. I use it to keep up with Trump stuff without fully supporting those who choose to host him.

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- psmgx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  neat. i’m always vaguely curious about some of that stuff, but if you watch even 5 minutes of a video about Jordan Peterson you get spammed with OWN THE LIBS videos and nonsense for weeks. it’s to the point where i don’t even bother.
  
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  - WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Piped is the service for you then. I have noticed 0 change in the holy algorithm from the things I have watched on Piped, so that must mean that the privacy measures are working.
    
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- Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Mmm but only his older stuff in on YT. He moved to Spotify before covid. Does Piped also scrap Spotify?
  
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  - WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I had no idea that he moved—goes to show how much I like Joe Rogan, lol.
    
    Here is a list of alternative front ends for Spotify, some of which block ads so you don’t have to give him ad revenue:
    
    github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends#spotify
    
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Aghast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
One good way to get an understanding is to watch the summary of Joe Rogan that Johnny Harris, a YouTube journalist did.

While it won’t give you a summary of each episode that Joe Rogan does it will give you an unbiased look at what Joe Rogan’s program is all about

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- 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Unbiased? Because a journalist is doing it, or how do you figure?
  
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  - Aghast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    A fair question.
    
    I view him as unbiased because he doesn’t promote Joe Rogan but also doesn’t dismiss the the good aspects of Joe Rogan. He views Joe Rogan as nuanced as he should.
    
    Johnny Harris didn’t rush to label him Joe Rogan as horrible or great.
    
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Hegar@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can also read into some of the very easily disprovable professional morons that appear on show. Jordan Peterson is a great example because he's obviously wrong in a very well researched area.

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- Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  When it comes to psychology, I think Peterson has a lot of valuable insights.
  
  When it comes to anything else I just wish he would shut his mouth.
  
  That combination of feelings really sums up a lot of Joe’s guests.
  
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epicsninja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Consider joining a Joe Rogan community or similar. As a lurker, you can learn a lot about whats going on just by listening to how other people react.

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- MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The Joe Rogan subreddit has basically turned on him since Covid, and the comments are usually a good source of critique counter arguments against him and his guests.
  
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Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
As a man who works with a bunch of guys that listen to him, nothing worth listening to.

That being said, I’m not married to the guys and work and your going to have way more to deal with in his viewership than I do.

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Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I’d just find the comedy special from many years ago where he told his audience that “I’m not an expert in anything except smoking weed. I’m a moron. I don’t know anything. Nobody should listen to me or take me seriously.”

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- Spiracle@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’m pretty sure I’ve seen several different clips where he repeats the same "I’m a moron" spiel.
  
  While I have only watched what few clips came my way, I was under the impression that was the entire point of his podcast: Invite interesting* people, then validating them in discussion by agreeing to most of their takes regardless of how bizarre they are so that they freely speak of their topic.
  
  *wherein "interesting" is usually something from the categories of fringe beliefs (often conspiracies), drugs, culturally influential people, or experts on whatever is a big topic for his viewership at the time.
  
  Many of the experts are also those of the fringe belief kind.
  
  Basically, if you take Rogan’s views significantly more seriously than the beliefs of your local meth head, you are doing it wrong.
  
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EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Thankyou for those that gave constructive answers and didn’t assume anything about my relationship

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LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can ask him to explain the episodes to you. It might help him reflect on the information and give you something to talk about.

If he’s difficult to “debate” it might be that the format of your conversations are to blame. Sometimes arguing, especially by throwing “facts” and trying to prove someone that their views are wrong, just creates tension and pushback causing the opposite effect. There’s something called Street Epistemology that can help open the door to actual conversations and reflection, instead of antagonistic debating.

streetepistemology.com

If that fails, there’s also the option for couples therapy if you feel like you’re not communicating.

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- PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Thanks for linking that.
  
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HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Johnny Harris has a good video: youtu.be/sLaXSvpfDZs?si=ckqeiEdfaknWnBeu

But if you want to debate your husband on what he sees, you’re going to need to get a good idea of the guest. The problem with Joe Rogan is that Rogan does very little pushback as an interviewer.

There was one interview that I watched with Mel Gibson touting a stem cell cure-all treatment being given out in Panama and making claims about it helping to cure anything. That treatment was beginning to undergo Phase 2 FDA trials, which basically meant they were studying to see if it would kill people, not what benefits the drug had.

If you are going to debate, ask for a non-Rogan source to back him up. It will at least get your husband to start fact checking. And if your husband asks why you need a second source, you can tell him that Rogan describes himself as an idiot.

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badbytes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
JR lost touch with reality a few years ago. Hosts nonsense guests on his show who spread BS. To debate him, you simply require a brain and any simple reasoning skills.

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atlasraven31@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Video transcripts? Not sure debating your husband is a good idea.

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mikeboltonshair@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Don’t kid yourself, you “giving” him a few views isn’t gonna make any difference, taking a principled stance on it is like peeing in the ocean.

Just watch a few of his videos or listen to some of his podcasts, instead of letting other people give your their viewpoint on him just get your own viewpoint, do it without any bias either… pick an episode that you are interested in pick something you don’t agree with and pick something that could go either way. You might agree with some stuff and not other things but at least you determined that for yourself

I used to listen to his podcast but lost interest plus I’d only listen to the stuff I had any interest in, science and technology stuff. He had some odd views/stuff I didn’t agree with but that’s living in reality you aren’t always gonna agree with people.

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elouboub@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Watch it with him and discuss the video afterwards. No matter how many people sit in front of a screen, it counts as one view.

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1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I’m sorry, but you are going to let someone else interpret what Rogan is saying for you, so you don’t have to watch his videos?

All you are doing is copying that person’s opinion about Rogan if you do that.

Watch the videos. Be an adult.

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Jackthelad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What’s there to be concerned about?

I don’t watch/listen to Joe Rogan, but it’s not like your husband is watching some Nazi propaganda.

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- morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Bad take. There are literal nazis today who take their talking points from JR.
  
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- bane_killgrind@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  https://www.ajc.org/news/why-what-joe-rogan-said-on-his-podcast-about-jews-was-antisemitic
  
  Is this not concerning?
  
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realcaseyrollins ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Why do you want to debate your husband about Rogan's talking points if you yourself are having trouble arguing with them?
- morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  OP doesn’t know what his arguments are yet, just that his videos are full of fallacies, and a lot of terrorists/traitors love his content
  
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  - realcaseyrollins ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Focusing on one or the other should suffice for an argument though. Although you can't do both because the latter is an ad hominem fallacy
    
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NormandyEssex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can just watch a little bit of him, it wont hurt you that much to give him viewership and will help you understand what your husband is watching better. You can also find some video clips or compilations on YouTube.

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- RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Be careful of clips and compilations though, because those are easy to miss the context of a conversation with.
  
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FoundTheVegan@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Aww, I am so sorry to say this but your post is just littered with red flags. Sis, he isn't hard to argue with, he just doesn't care what you think. I would say that making yourself informed about the specifics of Joe Rogan matters more than his view count going up by 1. But frankly, you aren't going to like anything. Since your husband knows you won't approve (Because Rogan is a bigoted pig), THAT is why he is defensive and hard to argue with.

Honestly, I think you need to take a few steps back and really think about what you are asking. If your husband is a fan and regular listener to a source you are so adamant against, that even giving him a view is a concern, then do you and your husband have the same values?

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- alokir@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  So many assumptions based on so little information.
  
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rising_tony@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Hey, pure coincidence , Johnny Harris from youtube recently put out an informative video on Joe a month ago:
https://youtu.be/sLaXSvpfDZs?si=CPwiMtAEdhaWA3Jj

His video is nuanced and informative, but I cannot say it is unbiased and it leaves with a very centrist conclusion, but this might be the best for someone unfamiliar with Joe.

If I may add my own take on him, his show should be considered purely entertainment, and any semblance to actual discourse or debate is purely coincidental and done for entertainment. At best, it should encourage people to start forming their own ideas and opinions (without actually providing reliable resources where to start proper, sadly), and at worst it validates the unfounded opinions and hypotheses of those who believe their internet look-up and echo chamber chatter is equally reputable as peer-reviewed, documented, proper research.

And lastly to alleviate any concerns you have, people who watch Joe simply yearn to be more knowledgeable, even if his show isnt a good chanel for it. Your partner may be able to understand your concerns with a good discussion and communication, so I wish you the best in talking to them and a prosperous outcome. Cheers!

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sadreality@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Well at least nobody suggested divorce yet!

Either way... I am more concerned about how OP thinks she has some sort of right to dictate her husband's podcast viewing BC she doesn't approve of podcast BC teevee told her Rogan is "bad"

This is some fucking degeneracy, I wonder her husband would react to being treated like that

This is not how a partner behaves, you got a lot it learn OP

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- EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  At what point have I dictated his viewing? I’m guessing you’re not in a relationship, because it’s clear you are actually the one with a lot to learn.
  
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  - sadreality@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Good luck with your marriage, dear ;)
    
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- morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The right to choose your entertainment is superseded by the obligation to eliminate fascism.
  
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Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Of all the right wing assclowns, rogan is the one that people least need to “keep up with”. He doesn’t create conspiracies or thought. He just regurgitates what others say.

But, more importantly: What do you expect to come out of this? if you aren’t comfortable speaking to your husband about what he is watching, what will you do once you find out?

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- BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I think we shouldn’t refrain from over-extrapolating about their relationship based on one - admittedly concerning - short paragraph.
  
  I can understand wanting to discuss it with him from an informed stance.
  
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  - rising_tony@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I agree, and if I may add to your comment, it is very unlikely their conversation will go anywhere if the OP were to approach their spouse with the same tone and attitude as the person you replied to. That comment is neither informative or welcomes communication. The OP wants to be informed, even if their opinion is the same as the comment they will get nowhere talking to an avid Rogan listener with that, just two loudmouths yelling at each other.
    
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PapaStevesy@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Just watch Tim Heidecker’s parody episode from his show Office Hours, it’s quite accurate.

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- AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Excuse me, why is this an 12 hour video?
  
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  - massive_bereavement@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It's free real estate.
    
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  - PapaStevesy@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Lol, that’s just one more Rogan jab. It’s only 90 minutes I think, then just looped.
    
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can@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Some of the videos on this channel may give you some insights.

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ZyQo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It’s impossible to say. What does he say regarding what? And what do you consider is worth debating over. It’s usually not Joe’s opinions per se but the guests.

His podcast literally covers everything you can think of. Indigenous people, hunting, technology, different diets, archeology, random chatting with comics, or otherwise interesting people (according to him).

Usually the guests are experts in some field and tell their opinions on whatever matter they have a degree in or they just talk random nonsense to make dialog that some might find interesting.

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- Hegar@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Usually the guests are experts
  
  No they're not. Usually they're two-bit grifters spouting nonsense they obviously know nothing about, in order to sell some BS. Like how spam emails use bad grammar on purpose to select for the gullible.
  
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  - ZyQo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Sure they are, depending on the subject of course. Someone with a phd in mathematical physics from Harvard talking about physics would be considered an expert in the subject no?
    
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p5f20w18k@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Johnny Harris did a pretty good video on him recently

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Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
He’s big enough that a lot of people tend to make videos explaining what he is wrong about and how. Searching YT for “Joe Rogan is wrong” or similar and picking some large looking channels from the list tends to give useful results.

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- remotelove@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That is the path I would take. All JR does, and all people like him do, is provide people with a encyclopedia of logical fallacies to use during arguments.
  
  An “argument” with these kinds of people usually just drives you into a state of confusion trying to debunk lists of interconnected “facts” they are spewing out. Not only does it put that person in a place to “win an argument by default”, they are generally masters at shifting the burden of proof on to you.
  
  Two approaches I take are: Recognize what a person is about to spout off and counter each “fact” they come up with, immediately. Or, you ignore that person and walk off.
  
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