Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨KrisND@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world⁩

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I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.

Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything.

2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)

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d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!

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- Moc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The new Debian is fucking awesome.
  
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  - sep@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it’s contemporaries.
    
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  - tev@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    what’s cool about it?
    
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- KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.
  
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  - metaStatic@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I switched to Pop!_OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM
    
    (because you've only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it's always the same)
    
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  - gunpachi@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    If you don’t play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windkws VM is a good option.
    
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- Mio@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
  
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famousringo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Windows is nagware now. Microsoft dared to imagine an entire OS on the Winrar model.

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- Zozano@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Its actually worse than that. I PAID for Windows. If I paid for WinRAR they would stop.
  
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  - M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Well WinRAR only nags you when you use it, unlike windows that is always running and almost always nagging.
    
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- lemmylommy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I wish they went with the winrar model. Winrar just nags you once when starting. Windows keeps trying to trick you into giving them your data and signing up for a subscription.
  
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- Erk@cdda.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Don’t you compare windows to that time honoured and helpful software. WinRAR knows when to quit, and is free
  
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kavkya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
So many comments shitting here and not giving helpful advice at all, so so fucking stupid. The best way to get ahead of this would be when the next time this pops up, press Shift + f10 and then type “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” easy and simple, takes only a few seconds and makes everything more seamless, such as no one drive bullshit etc…

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- riodoro1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Easy and simple
  
  Dont forget to shit on linux afterwards for how difficult it is
  
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  - RogueSensei@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Honestly I find constantly having to keep on top of disabling questionable windows features and bloat (knowing I’ve definitely missed something) more difficult and exhausting than just using linux. Linux feels way more “easy and simple” to me than windows ever has been.
    
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  - Draedron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I really didn’t think anything about linux before but the number of people on lemmy being so annoying about linux just makes me really dislike it.
    
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- LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  press Shift + f10 and then type “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” easy and simple, takes only a few seconds
  
  Not picking on you, that is actually really good advice and a neat shortcut I’ll be trying myself. I just think it’s funny all the reddit threads regarding Linux usage, someone will pop in with a simple commands to get whatever the user wants done quickly (Ex: Open the Console and type “sudo apt update” then “sudo apt upgrade” and you’ll be good!) and they get shit on with comments like “OMG! You have to Open a terminal to do anything! This is why Windowz rules and Linux is for fanboy dorks!!”
  
  Btw, I dual boot.
  
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  - kavkya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I understand. I use Linux with dual boot myself and I know how great and free it feels to just use a terminal for everything. However, I cannot count how many times I have been frustrated when something just doesn’t work. Some software that doesn’t exist in apt is can be hard to install sometimes if you have to compile it yourself. And if you want to delete something that you didn’t install via apt?? Good luck with that. Linux doesn’t exist without its own problems. The use cases for both windows and Linux are very different. It doesn’t fit everybody
    
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- KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’ll give that a try, thank you.
  
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- HRDS_654@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah just a bunch of Linux nerds on their high horse feeling smug. This attitude actively pushes people away from your platform, not towards it. If you want more people to use Linux the first step is NOT acting like a smug dick about it.
  
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  - kavkya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Exactly, the one thing you cannot do is force someone to move to Linux. They eventually do it on their own when they get tired of being shit on by Microsoft, or just see in general that yeah! This specific thing is gonna make my life so much easier! That’s why I did it and I understand why people wouldn’t want to switch to it, there’s nothing that we can do about it
    
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- Jaybob32@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I believe this method was blocked. But it’s also not what the screen shot is. This is an update screen.
  
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  - kavkya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It worked on my machine
    
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- PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  How did you learn this? Serious question, as I probably will be using Windows at whatever job I get. A huge part of what has made Linux so easy to learn is that there’s always documentation. There’s no secrets, even if it might be a lot of reading. Everything I learned about Windows I either bumbled my way into it or learned from someone else who was taught.
  
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  - kavkya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    To be honest, you just have to Google things that you really want to fix. Genuinely just ask it how to make simple things simpler and you will find so much helpful stuff out there. If you feel some discomfort while using windows, know that there’s always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it
    
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- speaker_hat@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I wonder whether the developers who wrote this script, did it in order to avoid these annoying messages by themselves
  
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- cubedsteaks@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  thanks!
  
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kszeslaw@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This kind of shit is what made me switch to Linux. I just didn’t feel like I owned my computer anymore.

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- bromine@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Only Linux for more than 15 years - because of this I don’t understand many of today’s problems, because I don’t have them
  
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  - Madnessx9@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I would love to switch, I’ve used Linux a few times but primary use of my machine is for gaming, Valve have done wonders with Proton and the Steamdeck but imo it’s probably not quite there yet?
    
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- KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah, I’m going to see about Quebes or just running VM inside Ubuntu at this point.
  
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jecht360@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If it’s your own machine, I recommend running one of the Windows 11 debloaters.

I’ve moved all of my personal machines over to Linux (specifically Ubuntu). Windows just isn’t worth it anymore.

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- KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That’s a good recommendation, I actually did run a windows debloater/spyware before. This just happened to be snuck in with an update I guess? I should probably do it again at this point.
  
  I wouldn’t use Windows if I didn’t have too…I do run Tails and Ubuntu as well but unfortunately 40hrs+ a week on Windows…it sucks.
  
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  - deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You have to run it again after every major update.
    
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  - 7Sea_Sailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Question: if you already don’t like Windows, I assume you don’t care about the new features that come with new updates. So I wonder - why do you update at all? Set everything up as you want it, remove all the hot garbage as you see fit, and disable updates.
    
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  - Khanzarate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Run the debloater every update. Some stuff in there is actual settings, but other stuff will be “repaired” by windows.
    
    Also, a workaround to that screen (so far, at least) is to shut the computer down and start up again and it doesn’t return till next update.
    
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- monsieur_jean@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  How do you like the Snap store and snap packages being pushed on you silently when you try to install packages through APT? :)
  
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  - GigglyBobble@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Give them a break. They just moved from Windows - moving to another distro is a small step in comparison.
    
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  - jecht360@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I have run into zero issues installing packages from other places. The snap store is a bit annoying but not a big deal. I’ve been on and off using Ubuntu since ~2005 so that’s why I went with it over another distro. No room for elitism for certain distros - everyone has different reasons for picking what they use. We can all agree to hate on Windows though.
    
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- CharAhNalaar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You want a broken Windows install? This is how you get a broken Windows install.
  
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  - jecht360@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Speaking from experience here. I’ve done this on over a dozen different computers with zero issues over a three month span. It was part of a proposal for transitioning our company computers to Windows 11 while cutting out the junk. None of them had any problems running without Xbox services, Cortana, bloatware games, activity tracking, etc.
    
    We ended up using Microsoft Intune for restricting Windows 10/11 to our standards. But that’s not really available for consumers and debloaters are safe to use instead.
    
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starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The most infuriating thing about windows to me is the big stupid fucking red X on every single file, reminding me that I’m not currently storing my shit on someone else’s computer. Is there a way to remove that service from my computer entirely?

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- dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Uninstall onedrive
  
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  - KrisND@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    That’s what I did, it’s one of the few things that it does let you uninstall.
    
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- martinbasic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Disable Manage folder backup feature in OneDrive settings -> Backup -> Manage backup -> Stop backup on all folders, or toggle them off on newer version.
  
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dcooksta26@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can prevent this. Click remind later then go to your notifications in the settings app. Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up” and anything else you don’t want to see.

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- Ibaudia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Alternatively: You can prevent this. Use a different operating system.
  
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  - Zetta@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This is the best option, I like Fedora
    
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- zik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I love that I have to go out of my way and follow instructions to undo something that they forced on me in the first place. That’s customer antagonistic design for you.
  
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  - ech0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    *Complains that Microsoft gives you a way to turn something off.
    
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- c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  “No thanks, I’d rather complain that Microsoft advertising their other services in a totally configurable setting which I can disable is the same as the entire OS literally being an ad.”
  
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  - TheFonz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Why do we have to take more time to disable this shit? We are not all.made of unlimited time. And yes “it only takes a few seconds”. Every time something like this shows up the seconds add up
    
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ronflex@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
We can bitch all we want but their dollars still go up

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- paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  And those dollars need to go up so those who invest get returns. And you are an idiot if you don’t invest your money, what kind of loser doesn’t invest their money? Don’t you want your dollars to go up?
  
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  - Xeknos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Line goes up!
    
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CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Eh, this particular screen is kind if misleading. You say you dont see a “skip” or “do not remind again” button, well that’s because those buttons are on the next screen(s) for each individual feature. I’ve gotten this screen a couple times, just click through and you can skip/opt out of all the features. It’s kind of silly, but I think the point is that they want you to look at each new feature individually.

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- 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah, but nothing here would be considered as a “new feature” and each is an ad for a product that OP chose not to use during initial install. As such, s/he shouldn’t be reminded of them, especially not during an OS update and certainly not with an unskippable window. Yes, s/he has the option to skip each feature individually later, but this initial window is either a “remind me later” or a “do it now”.
  
  To get into specifics of each item:
  
  OneDrive has been around forever.
  
  If OP customized his/her browsing experience, s/he clearly doesn’t want “Microsoft recommended browser settings” (which, by the way, is Edge with Bing search and with all telemetry turn on high).
  
  365 has been around for a while, and this thing is pushing the subscription (by definition, an ad for a paid product).
  
  Windows Phone app isn’t new, either.
  
  Microsoft Hello has been around for about as long as Windows Phone app and features.
  
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SaltyLemon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Windows 10 is my last windows. When it’s no longer supported I guess I’ll have to learn to use Linux.

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- Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’m not waiting for that, just waiting until I have a free few days to figure out linux.
  
  Also abandoning Android for Graphene as soon as I get a new phone.
  
  Enshittification advances ever onwards
  
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  - dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It only takes like an evening. Go with Linux Mint and essentially you will be using your computer in a half hour. Everything else is the fun of discovering all the cool stuff that Linux does easier and more flexible than Windows.
    
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- Sused@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Or you can use ShutUp to turn off a bunch of annoying shit that microsoft pushes
  
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  - Lyricism6055@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Is it open source?
    
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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Windows 7 was my last Windows. Why wait?
  
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- Killercat103@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You could try dual booting to make the migration a little less extreme. I started that around the time Windows 11 came out and realized about a year later I don’t use Windows for personal stuff anymore. Windows is now gone and I do not really miss it.
  
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  - excitingburp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Pro-tip for dual booting Linux: make it the primary OS. Humans are inherently resistant to change, so you need to set yourself up for overcoming that.
    
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Crow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It’s not your computer, it’s Microsoft’s. That’s the message I get from using windows.

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- deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  In otherwords, it’s Apple now, but with none of the benefits.
  
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Transcriptionist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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The Windows 11 Set Up Wizard with the following text: Let’s finish setting up your PC Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices. Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage Have peace of mind knowing they’re backed up and available across your devices. Enhance your web browsing experience Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings. Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more. Back up your phone to your PC Access your phone’s photos, texts, and more, right on your PC. Sign in quickly with Windows Hello Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile. Below are the buttons Remind me in 3 days and Continue

[I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

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pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Don’t support Windows. Just use windows activation scripts and run Chris Titus Tech’s Windows security and debloating script. If you can, you’re better off on Linux.

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Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I swear this gets posted weekly, here’s an easy solution but it’s always missing from the comments.

Go into notification settings

Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows”

While you’re at it, turn off any of the other suggestion / recommendation settings.

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Jaybob32@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Go to Settings > System > Notifications. Turn off the last three check boxes. This screen won’t come back.

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xoagray@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The thing that really rubs me the wrong way about all this is we pay for Windows, I have 3 licenses for Windows 11 and it’s gotten so annoying that I don’t even use them anymore. I’ve been a Linux user for quite a while already and between Microsoft’s doing more and more data collection, and more ads, I just walked away from it a couple years ago. Fortunately, I was in a position where I could do so. I feel bad for folks that must use Windows for this or that and can’t escape it.

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TheHighRoad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Windows is actually right back where it used to be, to be honest. Getting pretty tired of the whole “ecosystem” tech philosophy.

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jarfil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Local account and disabled as much as I could

2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems

Why are you running updates for beta testers, if you decided to disable as much as you could? Those “Preview” updates will install everything you’re missing and more every time, that’s their purpose.

Switch to stable updates only, and you won’t have that problem… or at least have it way less often.

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Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Note to be less pessimistic about this:

This is exactly how you are supposed to handle system settings being added to, removed or modified. You re-display a limited version of the first-run setup dialogue to the user. It feels familiar, they see it every so often, but you reduce it to the relevant pieces.

You may not like what MS changes, but from a user workflow this is sort-of the best case.

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conner5@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Windows is bullshit

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WheatleyInc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Just upgrade back to Windows 10.

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spiderkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
That pops up on every feature update on win11. But you’re on the preview channel which is known to push and test experimental features. I’d suggest you unenroll your device if stuff like more ads for 365 or missing features for testing purposes bug you. Microsoft even regularly roll out one feature for a percentage of testers and take it away from the rest, just to see what happens.

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jetsetdorito@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I always laugh that the option not to get Microsoft 365 is just “Stay Basic”

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Granixo@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
They are desperate because 2/3 of their userbase still use Windows 10.

Look, i don’t mind the CPU/TPM requirement too much now, but did you really needed to mess up the interface? (Plus, forcing you to have Teams always installed.)

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phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Install. Linux.

Yes.

Yes, install Linux, yes, it’s better, yes, it’s a little different, but yes, you will like it better.

Bloat ware? Gone. Antivirus shit? Gone. Spyware? Gone. Reboots for bullshit reasons? Gone. Forced updates? Gone.

Yeah, but it’s so complicated and games don’t work because there are no drivers!

Bullshit. Drivers exist now for just a out everything and most drivers are put of the box, not like windows requiring installs. Most of not all games now work.

But I needy software X!

Many, not all, but MANY software packages out there have open source equivalents that many times are equal or better than what you’re using. If not that, Wine will allow you to run a huge amount of windows software transparently on Linux. YMMV of course but “I need software x!” barely has been an excuse anymore for using windows.

Did I mention it’s actually free, no piracy involved (though if that is your thing, lots of software available for that too)

Windows sucks. Microsoft software in general sucks. Microsoft platforms suck (looking at you there, outlook, teams, office, and SharePoint, oh my frigging god what pieces of shit you are)

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M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I never understood why anyone would pay for office 365 or use something like hello. Like Libreoffice is free and does the same job with less bullshit. And last time I checked windows is not running on any ones phones so why push the leftover failed features?

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qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This feels awfully as a desperate move…

Are M$ numbers dwindling lately or are they just scared there is a rise in Linux users (even non tech savvy) and this is a desperate move to capture more peope?

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SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This was since forever in Windows 10

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Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I find it tedious to have to disable Microsoft crap that is switched on without my knowledge in windows. Get a copy of Autoruns to disable most of that crap at startup.

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speaker_hat@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Laughing from Ubuntu

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